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25 minutes ago, kloubek said:

Why even do so before the trade deadline then?  They can talk about it in the offseason.

I agree, I think they want to see what the Canucks thoughts are and they may pull a Burrows and throw the organization a bone by being good soldiers here to help the future. Then resign one year contracts in july for next year

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4 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Can only retain on one of them FWIW so:

 

 

can retain up to 50% (you are correct) for up to three players and i see we have Lou and Hansen so you're right.

 

Math then

1.75 for Henrik (50% retained) = 875k

1.75 for Daniel (none retained) = 1.75 mil

total =2.625 mil - many teams still have space left and we can always take a player back and for 2 players thats not alot.

 

Thanks for clarifying

 

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1 hour ago, BoeserSnipe said:

We can retain salary, they go to a contender for cheap, we get some picks and prospects, they come back in July on one year deals at 2.5 each and we've helped the rebuild - Many teams would love them for cheap salary as 2b/3rd liners. Imagine adding them to Tampa, Anaheim, San Jose, New Jersey etc?

 

Don't forget teams are only on the hook for the 'remaining cap', so at the end of the year its not alot and if we retain say 75% most teams in the playoffs could have a shot at them.

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/

 

Here's some guestimate math. By trade deadline there is what, 25% of the season left? So 25% of 14 mil is only 3.5 mi for both players to your cap. hit.

 

$3.5 mil opens alot of teams to the twins and if the nucks retain even 1/2 of that its only 1.75 mil for TWO players....every team w cap space would make a call.

Banked cap space.  

If a team hasn't banked any space due to injuries they must have 14M open assuming no retention (and hope for no injuries) - because the remaining accrual is also pro-rated.

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2 hours ago, mll said:

Banked cap space.  

If a team hasn't banked any space due to injuries they must have 14M open assuming no retention (and hope for no injuries) - because the remaining accrual is also pro-rated.

Not sure what you mean by  'Banked cap space' but a team acquiring the twins would NOT need 14 mil in cap space friend - my math was correct. The hit to the cap is 'whats left' of their salary/  cap hit for the year /contract which we know ends this season).

 

https://www.nhl.com/news/trade-deadline-q-a/c-409700

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59 minutes ago, BoeserSnipe said:

Not sure what you mean by  'Banked cap space' but a team acquiring the twins would NOT need 14 mil in cap space friend - my math was correct. The hit to the cap is 'whats left' of their salary/  cap hit for the year /contract which we know ends this season).

 

https://www.nhl.com/news/trade-deadline-q-a/c-409700

Cap space is calculated daily.   [75M/186 days] - [total of player cap hits / 186 days].  If the difference is positive the amount is banked and can be used in the future.  At the end of the season the sum of all the salaries pro-rated for length on the roster has to be less than 75M.  Injuries, recalls all count.

 

At the TDL the remaining cap space of the acquiring team is also pro-rated.  There is only 25% of the season left so they are going to create only 25% of whatever the difference between 75M and their salary cap but can use what they have already banked.


Two examples.  

A team operates at 74M and has no movement by the TDL - no injuries, no recalls.  Each day they have banked [1M / 186 days].  So 75% into the season they will have banked 750K.  They can add a player with a salary cap of 4M.  There is only 25% of the season left.  He is going to count for 1M.  750K is going to come from the cap space they have banked and the remaining 250K are going to come from the remaining of the season.

75% of the season at 74M + 25% of the season at 78M (74 + new 4M) = 75M.

 

Same team but a lot of injuries that forced them to recall players.  They are finally healthy at the TDL but have not banked any cap space because it was used on their recalls.  They can only add a player with a cap hit of 1M.  

75% of the season at 74M + 750K used for recalls + 25% at 75M (74 + new 1M) = 75M. 

 

Cap Friendly shows the different numbers.  'Projected cap space' is the banked cap space plus future banked cap space at the end of season assuming no changes to the current roster.  The column 'current cap space' shows the full cap hit that can be added based on the remaining days to the season (making allowance for banked cap space).  

 

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Just now, mll said:

Cap space is calculated daily.   [75M/186 days] - [total of player cap hits / 186 days].  If the difference is positive the amount is banked and can be used in the future.  At the end of the season the sum of all the salaries pro-rated for length on the roster has to be less than 75M.  Injuries, recalls all count.

 

At the TDL the remaining cap space of the acquiring team is also pro-rated.  There is only 25% of the season left so they are going to create only 25% of whatever the difference between 75M and their salary cap but can use what they have already banked.


Two examples.  

A team operates at 74M and has no movement by the TDL - no injuries, no recalls.  Each day they have banked [1M / 186 days].  So 75% into the season they will have banked 750K.  They can add a player with a salary cap of 4M.  There is only 25% of the season left.  He is going to count for 1M.  750K is going to come from the cap space they have banked and the remaining 250K are going to come from the remaining of the season.

75% of the season at 74M + 25% of the season at 78M (74 + new 4M) = 75M.

 

Same team but a lot of injuries that forced them to recall players.  They are finally healthy at the TDL but have not banked any cap space because it was used on their recalls.  They can only add a player with a cap hit of 1M.  

75% of the season at 74M + 750K used for recalls + 25% at 75M (74 + new 1M)= 75M. 

 

Cap Friendly shows the different numbers.  'Projected cap space' is the banked cap space plus future banked cap space at the end of season assuming no changes to the current roster.  The column 'current cap space' shows the full cap hit that can be added based on the remaining days to the season (making allowance for banked cap space).  

 

the point is an acquiring team doesn't need 14 mil in cap space as you suggested.

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9 minutes ago, BoeserSnipe said:

no they dont -  try reading the link i provided it spells it out for you

Exactly.  But the team's remaining cap space is also pro-rated.  

 

If a team has not banked cap space due to injuries and is at say 71.5M at the TDL - so 3.5M under the cap.  There is 25% of the season remaining.  They are only going to create 25% of 3.5M and not 3.5M.  The 3.5M is for a full season.  Same principle as for the player salary - the space also gets pro-rated.

 

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10 minutes ago, mll said:

Exactly.  But the team's remaining cap space is also pro-rated.  

 

If a team has not banked cap space due to injuries and is at say 71.5M at the TDL - so 3.5M under the cap.  There is 25% of the season remaining.  They are only going to create 25% of 3.5M and not 3.5M.  The 3.5M is for a full season.  Same principle as for the player salary - the space also gets pro-rated.

 

but you stated they need 14 mil not 14 mil prorated right? you're playing fun with numbers guy. 2.65 mil is 2.65 mil. if a team has that room they can aquire the twins they dont need 14 mil its THAT SIMPLE - 3.5 mil in cap space is not hard for many teams - many have close to that space already or could make room. There are very few teams that couldn't afford the twins if we retained 50% on one of them

 

move along, tired of repeating myself when I am right. Here's the list AGAIN of projected cap space

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/

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Just now, BoeserSnipe said:

but you stated they need 14 mil not 14 mil prorated right? you're playing fun with numbers guy. 3.5 mil is 3.5 mil. if a team has that room they can aquired the twins they dont need 14 mil

If they have not banked cap space they need to be at 61M to be able to add a 14M salary.  There is 25% of the season remaining at the TDL.  

25% x (75M - 61M) = 3.5M

Adding a salary of 14M for 25% of the season = 3.5M.  

If they are at 71.5M they cannot add a salary of 14M because they are only going to have 25% of 3.5M (75 - 71.5).

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10 minutes ago, mll said:

If they have not banked cap space they need to be at 61M to be able to add a 14M salary.  There is 25% of the season remaining at the TDL.  

25% x (75M - 61M) = 3.5M

Adding a salary of 14M for 25% of the season = 3.5M.  

If they are at 71.5M they cannot add a salary of 14M because they are only going to have 25% of 3.5M (75 - 71.5).

Kid you dont get it...good luck

 

You seem to be the type who'd answer 2+2= 3 on a math test, give a long answer, spin yourself into confusion, then argue with your math teacher for 8 hours because he explains to you 2+2 = 4....

 

I am sorry you are confused 

 

Oh and by they way 14 mil if we retain 50% on one of the twins = 2.625 mil. If a team has 2.625 in cap space they can acquire the twins its THAT DAMN SIMPLE - NOT SURE WHY YOU CANT UNDERSTAND THIS

 

There are 2 numbers you need - and this is PROVEN  by the NHL.com link i gave you

 

1. What is the cap space left - see the link I provided

2. What is the remaining cap hit the team is assuming - in this case 2.625 mil (assuming 50% retention on one twin)

3. If a team has cap space > 2.625 mil they can aquire the twins - they dont need your funky math you've spun yourself into and 14 mil

4. There are many teams that will have 2.625 mil of cap space

 

 

Move along- i am done proving you wrong

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