Cowichan Canuck Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 Just now, Blue Jay 22 said: My bad. I guess Jones qualifies then. So I guess the question immediately becomes what do you think the Preds would ask for Johansen? Because we don't have one of those on the Nucks. Correct, it would have to be a package. We do not have 1 player that gets us this #1d, I undertand this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Fanuck said: Admittedly, it can and has happened. But essentially, to be considered an elite team capable of competing for the cup, you need an elite defenseman on your team. Look back at the past 20 years of cup winners, there are about only 3 (maybe 4 depending on what exactly defines 'elite') winners that didn't have a Norris level (or very close) defenseman on their team. Adding a future elite PMD should be one of the top priorities for JB. I looked back, and you could actually extend this to the past 40+ years and there are still only about the 3 or 4 winners that don't have a Norris level d-man on their team. 40 YEARS.... that says something.... If a team has a true #1 d-man on their team, they better do everything in their power to build an elite core around him to push for the Cup. You need to be extremely lucky to have a true #1 d-man on your team. With that being said, I think Werenski has #1 D-man written all over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Someone else mentioned this in another thread.......A really big sack, and a bottle of chloroform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 From Carolina: 3rd overall 2016 2nd round pick 2016 Seth Jones Scott Hartnell David Clarkson From Vancouver: 5th overall 2016 2nd round pick from signing Torts Christopher Tanev or Ben Hutton Chris Higgins Alexandre Grenier Brendan Gaunce I don't know! (obviously) Just tried to Get Higgy With It! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 32 minutes ago, zzbottom said: So now Sbisa can net Vancouver 2nd AND 3rd rounders... dream a little dream. He can. He's very underrated here by many, particularly the "advanced" stats crowd. He can get other guys to cough up the puck with the best in the league and hits like a truck. He's best suited to a #5 role but can play top 4 minutes filling in for injuries. Yes that's worth a 2nd and a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Nirvanagut Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, Bob Long said: He can. He's very underrated here by many, particularly the "advanced" stats crowd. He can get other guys to cough up the puck with the best in the league and hits like a truck. He's best suited to a #5 role but can play top 4 minutes filling in for injuries. Yes that's worth a 2nd and a 3rd. I mean, you were selling him well enough but then you finished it off with "best suited as a #5." Good luck getting anything higher than a single 3rd for Sbisa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 10 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Someone else mentioned this in another thread.......A really big sack, and a bottle of chloroform. Isn't that what Borat tried on Pamela? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 48 minutes ago, Blue Jay 22 said: Towards the end of the year, and especially in the playoffs, Lindholm and Vatanen became their top pairing. At the moment, I wouldn't classify any as #1 Dmen but Lindholm, without a doubt, has the potential and ceiling to be one and Fowler is a solid #2 who could be one if placed in the right environment. He's only 24 remember. As for getting a #1 Dman, how about, oh I don't know, draft one? Joulevi and Chychrun are going to be there. If not confident with them, Nucks could always trade down and take someone like McAvoy, Bean, or Fabbro. benning has said that he doesn't think there is a #1 d-man in the draft and they really want to find a replacement for henrik....imo, benning will trade for a od man....it might not happen this year.....patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Instead of searching for that one elite guy, of which there are maybe 5 in the league right now, we should just try and build the most balanced top 6 we can. 2011 we had arguably the best depth Salo-PP specialist, great defender Erhoff- great passing, could play the PP and log big minutes Hamhuis- smart, decent pass, great skater Bieksa- tough, smooth skating, scored the odd big goal Edler- looks like a Norris candidate once in a while, decent above average guy Ballard, Romsie, Alberts The weakness of that 2011 defence was toughness, but it was quite well-rounded. We could withstand injuries (IE SALO) with depth, whereas if you have one stud go down, it can ruin the entire season. I think JB is trying to create a similar situation since our chances of landing a stud are remote. We just need a PP specialist and hope that Trymakin and Hutton progress into viable top 4 fixtures. Who knows, maybe one of the draft picks will eventually turn into something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowichan Canuck Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, smithers joe said: benning has said that he doesn't think there is a #1 d-man in the draft and they really want to find a replacement for henrik....imo, benning will trade for a od man....it might not happen this year.....patience. patience is getting limited after 46 years. Wouldn't mind one before I'm dead because i would be fairly lucky to last another 46 more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 minute ago, smithers joe said: benning has said that he doesn't think there is a #1 d-man in the draft and they really want to find a replacement for henrik....imo, benning will trade for a od man....it might not happen this year.....patience. That's fine. As someone who follows prospects closely, I think he might be wrong about a couple guys but as long as he plans on bringing one over eventually, either trade or next year's draft, then I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 4 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Isn't that what Borat tried on Pamela? Great success! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowichan Canuck Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, SaintPatrick33 said: Instead of searching for that one elite guy, of which there are maybe 5 in the league right now, we should just try and build the most balanced top 6 we can. 2011 we had arguably the best depth Salo-PP specialist, great defender Erhoff- great passing, could play the PP and log big minutes Hamhuis- smart, decent pass, great skater Bieksa- tough, smooth skating, scored the odd big goal Edler- looks like a Norris candidate once in a while, decent above average guy Ballard, Romsie, Alberts The weakness of that 2011 defence was toughness, but it was quite well-rounded. We could withstand injuries (IE SALO) with depth, whereas if you have one stud go down, it can ruin the entire season. I think JB is trying to create a similar situation since our chances of landing a stud are remote. We just need a PP specialist and hope that Trymakin and Hutton progress into viable top 4 fixtures. Who knows, maybe one of the draft picks will eventually turn into something. I can think of many more than 5 that suite my description of an elite D guy Karlsson Letang Josi Weber Doughty Burns Subban Byfuglien Ekblad Giordano Keith Oliver EL Hedmen Gostisbehere Suter prob more A pp specialist is also an option (Barrie, Shattenkirk) my concern is this type of player can be a real hindrance in our end. This is my concern with J Subban, I don't doubt his ability to score, it's 5 on 5...otherwise Y Weber would probably be in our lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowichan Canuck Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, Blue Jay 22 said: That's fine. As someone who follows prospects closely, I think he might be wrong about a couple guys but as long as he plans on bringing one over eventually, either trade or next year's draft, then I understand. Do you know of any slick D prospects I can follow for next years draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 4 minutes ago, Cowichan Canuck said: I can think of many more than 5 that suite my description of an elite D guy Karlsson Letang Josi Weber Doughty Burns Subban Byfuglien Ekblad Giordano Keith Oliver EL Hedmen Gostisbehere Suter prob more Yea that is a great list perhaps I was using a bit of hyperbole there lol To snag one in a trade however, is near impossible. Only way we would have a chance is through UFA, and teams will usually sign them before they hit UFA. Our best asset is cap space right now. I was thinking if we add somebody on a Boychuck or Leddy type level that it would make our D a lot more balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowichan Canuck Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 Just now, SaintPatrick33 said: Yea that is a great list perhaps I was using a bit of hyperbole there lol To snag one in a trade however, is near impossible. Only way we would have a chance is through UFA, and teams will usually sign them before they hit UFA. Our best asset is cap space right now. I was thinking if we add somebody on a Boychuck or Leddy type level that it would make our D a lot more balanced. I get it Saint, and I also didn't mean I want to target anyone on that list per se, just saying in 5 years there is still going to be a long list like that but with diff players, I just want one of them to be wearing our jersey as I think it is now and historically our biggest missing piece. That being said, I really like the rest of our D, maybe a guy like Barrie would be more realistic and live with his no pun intended, short comings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocksterh8 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Cowichan Canuck said: I searched for a general topic and did not find one about what prospects or young dman that the Canucks could target, that could project as #1 QB defenseman. If there is a general one, just like this, please delete/lock, and my apologies. As we all know, you don't win Stanley Cups without a #1 Dman. I love B Hutton, just don't see him as a future #1. Which current prospects, or young players do you think are realistically attainable, that could grow with our young core when we become a contender again? For me, three players come to mind. 1. Ivan Provorov, because of the emergence of Gostisbehere, both being left shot LD, and they are already deep in D, especially LD. 2. Madison Bowey, because Washington needs to win now. 3. Seth Jones, because they need cap relief and he didn't exactly tear it up last year, still very young. A cap dump would have to come our way. Yes they just traded for him last year. What would Provorov cost, that we would be willing to spend? What would Bowey cost, that we would be willing to spend? ( I admit to not being as familiar with Bowey and I am with Provorov) What would S Jones cost? Obviously if these players are in the mix to be moved, Edmonton (and every team) is in competition in these trades and if willing to overspend could probably beat us out. Stranger things have happened, I have to think they spend as much if not more than we did for Gudbranson if they knew he was available. I would not trade Horvat straight across for either Provorov or Bowey. Trading Boeser would be extremely hard, but only for or in a package for Provorov, wouldn't for Bowey. Seth Jones is a hard one to gauge for me. Assets I would consider: Everything, including unprotected 2017 1st, 2016 #5, Markstrom/Demko, and all current roster players. Who else is out there? What is a realistic package for any of the ones I've mentioned? Obviously you have to give to get, I understand this. I disagree, I think Ben Hutton has everything you need to be a #1 Dman, and he may just blossom into that this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowichan Canuck Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 7 minutes ago, Rocksterh8 said: I disagree, I think Ben Hutton has everything you need to be a #1 Dman, and he may just blossom into that this year! Of all our young players and prospects he does have the best tool box for the job. Can't help but like Hutton a lot, but I have my doubts and would still prefer to explore another avenue in case Hutton projects as a 2nd pairing. I can def see Hutton being the #2 on the PP with the qb I hope for us to get. Either way, Hutton is found gold in more ways than one, maybe he can teach Edler how to smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 18 minutes ago, Cowichan Canuck said: patience is getting limited after 46 years. Wouldn't mind one before I'm dead because i would be fairly lucky to last another 46 more. i can still have patience because i know what they are trying to do and how hard it is get everything to fall in place...if being a gm was easy, everyone would be doing it...i know that i won't see a sc in my life time but i've got a life time of entertainment watching a lot of guys trying to win it all....i appreciate their blood, sweat and energies in trying to win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowichan Canuck Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, smithers joe said: i can still have patience because i know what they are trying to do and how hard it is get everything to fall in place...if being a gm was easy, everyone would be doing it...i know that i won't see a sc in my life time but i've got a life time of entertainment watching a lot of guys trying to win it all....i appreciate their blood, sweat and energies in trying to win... I can appreciate that Joe. If hope for your sake, you are incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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