ForsbergTheGreat Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Alflives said: I agree 100%. It's the idea of 33 and 55 for 3 that is the issue. I don't know the actual results, but it seems like a guy taken at 3 is more likely to be a difference maker than two guys taken at 33 and 55. Wouldn't the odds be in our favor? No because you're taking our best trading assets, adding to it and banking on one player that isn't even really ranked higher than the players in the 7-14 range. There is not enough separation in this years draft Is Makar better than Lilejgren + Merkley + Yamamoto + Walsh Is Makar better than Suzuki + Nielson + Bracco + Timmins + chmelevski what about Glass, is he better than Pettersson + Raddysh + Timmins + chmelevski The answer is no. You can't even guarantee it's a lock that the player we give up for is going to be better than the bolded player.... Edited June 6, 2017 by ForsbergTheGreat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 10 minutes ago, R3aL said: Those ISS rankings show no love to Pettersson though wow.. Anyone think the NHL combine needs to change? It is pretty lame.. If I was running the show I would add a day before the strength/conditioning testing and I would do an on ice combine day. Not exactly like a skills contest but one that shows top tens for: Hardest Shot Shot Accuracy Speed Stick Handling Passing etc. These would actually provide so much more information to fans, teams and scouts. NFL draft combine one of the most important metrics is the 40 yard dash.. The only thing the combine shows is what kids are naturally stronger, have been exposed to strength training earlier and their heart to push themselves. All great things but not nearly what it should and could be. They could do On ice testing 1 day, Off Ice testing day 2, then interviews after or anything. Just think On-Ice testing should be included. If anyone can link to an article of why there isn't already or if there is a reason for it not happening that I am not aware of please quote me and share link. They have had him #20 or higher in the last several months, while most other rankings have him 6-12. Perhaps it's due to Peterson's weight. I like your suggestions for combine testing. Makes more sense than the established tests. It's not like these kids are stepping into NHL games next season. Strength and conditioning are the easiest to improve compared to skills and IQ needed to become a pro player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, higgyfan said: They have had him #20 or higher in the last several months, while most other rankings have him 6-12. Perhaps it's due to Peterson's weight. I like your suggestions for combine testing. Makes more sense than the established tests. It's not like these kids are stepping into NHL games next season. Strength and conditioning are the easiest to improve compared to skills and IQ needed to become a pro player. Yea exactly I would love to know why they aren't actually testing the players skills. They could do an on ice agility test, speed test, passing test, hardest shot, stick handling drill timed and penalty's for losing puck or hitting obstacles, and an accuracy test. Is it more work for the NHL yes, but it would create so much value for everyone. The way they are doing the combine now is silly. Like oh - he cant do a pullup or a bench press yet... I would love to know 1 NHL player that cant bench 135lbs or knock of 10+ pullups easily. I would feel very confident that even all the back up goalies in the league could. It is borderline useless asides from showing instantly how far a player is away form being strong enough to handle the NHL. It really doesn't effect draft rankings at all. If it did Jack Eichel would have been selected over McDavid - he was a combine allstar a kid in a mans body. But all the scouts already knew that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 They say Makar and Liljegren are 2 of the best skaters in the draft.. Well I would like to see that. Who are the top skaters and how much better of a skater are they etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Alflives said: If Dallas, as rumored, is asking for Tanev + 33 + 55 for 3rd overall, maybe we should do that? Then we get Vilardi and Makar. That's a pretty darned good draft, filling two huge needs in our prospect pool. Picks 33 and 55 have way less % chance of becoming anything even close to those two. DO IT JB!!!!!! If Benning can pull that off, then could you imagine these 2 plus the prospects and young players we have, potentially coming into their own around the same time!! On top of next years draft prospects!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: 33 could easily be Timmins, Yamamoto, Brower 55 can be Chmelevski, Walsh, Ferraro So much for all the "Benning always trading away picks" and "Benning bleeding assets" and "Benning throwing in extra picks in trades for no reason" complaining... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ossi Vaananen Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Canucks are plugging Rasmussen today: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Forget DAL, we need to make a deal with PHI for the #2, if anything. Canucks will still get a good player at #5 (Vilardi, Mittelstadt, Glass, Heiskanen, Makar), but why give Tanev away unless we're getting a Patrick or Hischier in return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Do not want. Get big bust vibes. Could be wrong but my gut just says no If they pick him though I would happily be proved wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Forget DAL, we need to make a deal with PHI for the #2, if anything. Canucks will still get a good player at #5 (Vilardi, Mittelstadt, Glass, Heiskanen, Makar), but why give Tanev away unless we're getting a Patrick or Hischier in return? Trading for 2 in this draft is basically trading for 1. So for a kings ransom. And they have already said cant see themselves trading the pick. We would have to trade: Tanev + 5th Overall and maybe + CLB 2nd Rounder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, R3aL said: Trading for 2 in this draft is basically trading for 1. So for a kings ransom. And they have already said cant see themselves trading the pick. We would have to trade: Tanev + 5th Overall and maybe + CLB 2nd Rounder Yeah, it would be very costly for a #1-2, but I'd do that deal to get one of those guys. As exciting as it would be, I don't see it happening though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 52 minutes ago, R3aL said: Those ISS rankings show no love to Pettersson though wow.. Anyone think the NHL combine needs to change? It is pretty lame.. If I was running the show I would add a day before the strength/conditioning testing and I would do an on ice combine day. Not exactly like a skills contest but one that shows top tens for: Hardest Shot Shot Accuracy Speed Stick Handling Passing etc. These would actually provide so much more information to fans, teams and scouts. NFL draft combine one of the most important metrics is the 40 yard dash.. The only thing the combine shows is what kids are naturally stronger, have been exposed to strength training earlier and their heart to push themselves. All great things but not nearly what it should and could be. They could do On ice testing 1 day, Off Ice testing day 2, then interviews after or anything. Just think On-Ice testing should be included. If anyone can link to an article of why there isn't already or if there is a reason for it not happening that I am not aware of please quote me and share link. That's actually an awesome idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just now, ForsbergTheGreat said: That's actually an awesome idea. I am hopeful they introduce something like this soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 minute ago, R3aL said: I am hopeful they introduce something like this soon! It would really put an end to the speculative claims, the best skater/shooter/hands in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 59 minutes ago, R3aL said: Those ISS rankings show no love to Pettersson though wow.. Anyone think the NHL combine needs to change? It is pretty lame.. If I was running the show I would add a day before the strength/conditioning testing and I would do an on ice combine day. Not exactly like a skills contest but one that shows top tens for: Hardest Shot Shot Accuracy Speed Stick Handling Passing etc. These would actually provide so much more information to fans, teams and scouts. NFL draft combine one of the most important metrics is the 40 yard dash.. The only thing the combine shows is what kids are naturally stronger, have been exposed to strength training earlier and their heart to push themselves. All great things but not nearly what it should and could be. They could do On ice testing 1 day, Off Ice testing day 2, then interviews after or anything. Just think On-Ice testing should be included. If anyone can link to an article of why there isn't already or if there is a reason for it not happening that I am not aware of please quote me and share link. Don't forget making them play NHL 17 against each other playing their real-life positions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 minute ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: It would really put an end to the speculative claims, the best skater/shooter/hands in the draft. They do have on ice testing at the prospects game in January but it's only for the 40 invitees and it's focused on skating with and without the puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 minute ago, mll said: They do have on ice testing at the prospects game in January but it's only for the 40 invitees and it's focused on skating with and without the puck. It is also only for CHL players right? And it is midseason. I just think they should have an official combine that actually measures the skills that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 22 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said: Canucks are plugging Rasmussen today: Rasmussen rhymes with Virtanen (and Vaananen) and rumours are there's a Toronto offer for Tanev in exchange for Kapanen, etc. We can have a rhyming team: Virtanen-Kapanen-Rasmussen Sedin-Sedin Boeser-Sutter-Miller-Stecher-Edler Boucher-Grenier Ericksson-Gudranson-Hutton Goldobin-Tryamkin (if only) Biega-Sbisa-Cramarossa-Megna It's a nice day outside and I'm stuck in the office... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, vinny_in_vancouver said: Don't forget making them play NHL 17 against each other playing their real-life positions. Wow that would be the ultimate test. Would show players Hockey IQ no?? Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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