Crabcakes Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, oldnews said: You whiffed on the point. Renting players for a fantasy playoff run is premature and ill advised while they clearly and obviously still need to add pieces to their rebuild. Do you think they're ready to go on a playoff run? The irony - they're a middling team that just spent as much on rentals as the Canucks did in years they were contending lol. The ironing. Do they think they're ready to spend futures on rentals? Cracks me up to hear people here apologize for this after selling the need to stock pile picks so hard. Comical really. The rebuild is done! Go Leafs! Cup ready! Why wait until the off season to add pieces for the future? Their window has opened! What? Winning the lottery. Obviously, they feel the need to develop the players they have by putting them in a position to compete. Things the TO media criticized the Canucks for, the Leafs are now doing. I don't care about the Leafs so will pass on arguing with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: To your last sentence: Theyre not done, but they are close! Deluded Leafs can confirmed. Thanks for coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: By Alf's definition, the championship Bruin's no star team didn't have a core unless you call it Chara. If one looks at the evolution of the Blackhawks, since they have shed their supporting cast a couple of times, it is fairly easy to identify their core and it's not just Toews and Kane. I would agree, the Leafs have most of their core assembled. Are they missing a defenseman, power forward or defensive specialist? And probably goaltending is missing still. I think this is the consensus. With their established rookie elite talent, they have a legit shot of a quick turnaround and at becoming a threat to the contenders. Maybe they should trade their 9th OA for CS. They can spend their way out of trouble for the next 3-4 years, easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: Tough one for Leafs game like yourself I imagine. Boyle is an expiring contract, and a bottom six on top of that. At least Ottawa extended Burrows as part of their deal. Toronto - should have taken notes. I don't understand. He is set to sign elsewhere after this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Crabcakes said: Things the TO media criticized the Canucks for, the Leafs are now doing. Bingo. No argument there - complete agreement - that was the point - however, like I said you'd have to go back to contending years to find the Canucks wasting assets on rentals lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: I don't understand. He is set to sign elsewhere after this season? What's hard to understand? You do know what an expiring contract is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: Deluded Leafs can confirmed. Thanks for coming out. Just so we're clear, you think the young Leaf's core, we all know their names and abilities, is not close to being complete? I can't think of many examples of better young emerging cores except for a few from the recent past that have multiple cups now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Just now, 189lb enforcers? said: Just so we're clear, you think the young Leaf's core, we all know their names and abilities, is not close to being complete? I can't think of many examples of better young emerging cores except for a few from the recent past that have multiple cups now. Alf hates the Laughs. They stink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Just now, oldnews said: What's hard to understand? You do know what an expiring contract is? No please, continue to be a condecendick here while evading the leading question. Why don't you finish your hissing and just cut to the chase? Is Boyle *just a rental, and a stupid move only a stupid GM would make of a stupid team? Stupid question, I should know, but please do clearly explain to us stupid folk how you know for certain that Boyle, a UFA, will not be resigning in Toronto, making this a stupid move and waste of a desperately needed draft pick by a team without enough young talent. Teach me, O wise one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Just so we're clear, you think the young Leaf's core, we all know their names and abilities, is not close to being complete? I can't think of many examples of better young emerging cores except for a few from the recent past that have multiple cups now. Lol. Again, reconfirmed. You didn't really just suggest they are on the cusp of Chicago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, oldnews said: Lol. Again, reconfirmed. You didn't really just suggest they are on the cusp of Chicago? Just answer the question. You love this stuff don't you. Chicago? Who knows, ya maybe. They have some very special players. A few more and maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Just now, 189lb enforcers? said: Just answer the question. You love this stuff don't you. Chicago? Who knows, ya maybe. They have some very special players. A few more and maybe. You pretty clearly said their core is comparable to teams with multiple Cups. I think it's comparable to Edmonton as well, who have been 'done' rebuilding for years now right. Or Buffalo - I suppose they're done as well? Winnipeg. No comparison to Toronto right? Leafs must be ahead - right there with Chicago. Comparing them to Chicago as you have is pretty laughable and extremely premature. I guess there is a Keith and Seabrook somewhere in the Laffs lineup already. And of course already Toews, Kanes, Byfguliens, Ladd's, Panarins...A Crawford somewhere..... Just need a Hossa. Getting harder to take you seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 1 hour ago, 189lb enforcers? said: To your last sentence: Theyre not done, but they are close! DYNASTY so close, can almost taste it!! The miraculous 2/3-year rebuild complete. lol, just look at their D and goaltending. Way WAY more to do, they're not even half-way by any measure. But better start grabbing them rentals for futures, especially when sitting out of the playoffs. WTG, Shanaplan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 1 hour ago, 189lb enforcers? said: I think this is the consensus. With their established rookie elite talent, they have a legit shot of a quick turnaround and at becoming a threat to the contenders. Maybe they should trade their 9th OA for CS. They can spend their way out of trouble for the next 3-4 years, easily. OK here's Pierre McGuires' 7 player core that makes a cup contender. Who on the Leafs fit's the bill/ All star centre - Matthews All star centre - Marner Power forward Specialist (shut down forward, agitator, utility) - Kadri Offensive D - Reilly Defensive D - Gardinier??? All star goalie Nylander is surely core but doesn't fit the template. It is far from precise imo. So they're missing somebody tough up front, a shut down D and a goalie. I think they've made a good start but have work to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: DYNASTY so close, can almost taste it!! The miraculous 2/3-year rebuild complete. lol, just look at their D and goaltending. Way WAY more to do, they're not even half-way by any measure. But better start grabbing them rentals for futures, especially when sitting out of the playoffs. WTG, Shanaplan. Again with the rental thing? Is Boyle a rental? How can you say that? lol? Lol look at there roster and laugh? I didn't say dynasty. Your buddy juxtaposed some oldnews jargon on the subject, it's not my word. Matthews, Nylander, Marner and MR are 5 of an emerging core that are better than any Canuck in any position. Horvat is inferior to Austin. Since the rest of the comparable offered up by the Canucks are only prospects, we are forced to stop there since we can't compare Marner to a NCAA type player. I honestly don't see where you find the lol joke. It's not even close... unless we are playing with the crystal ball of "projections", the same ball which oldnews is busy forecasting "rental player" status with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: OK here's Pierre McGuires' 7 player core that makes a cup contender. Who on the Leafs fit's the bill/ All star centre - Matthews All star centre - Marner Power forward Specialist (shut down forward, agitator, utility) - Kadri Offensive D - Reilly Defensive D - Gardinier??? All star goalie Nylander is surely core but doesn't fit the template. It is far from precise imo. So they're missing somebody tough up front, a shut down D and a goalie. I think they've made a good start but have work to do. Dare you say, All-star?! carefull... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Leafs got lucky with winning the draft lottery, yes they had the highest odds but still a lot of luck involved in winning the 1st over all lottery pick in a draft with a talent like Mathews available. Had the Canucks won the lottery and drafted Mathews the media would be writing about how the Canucks "retool" worked out so well. I'm still confident we got the 3rd best player in the draft. I think OJ will be a great player for the Canucks when it's all said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: OK here's Pierre McGuires' 7 player core that makes a cup contender. Who on the Leafs fit's the bill/ All star centre - Matthews All star centre - Marner Power forward Specialist (shut down forward, agitator, utility) - Kadri Offensive D - Reilly Defensive D - Gardinier??? All star goalie Nylander is surely core but doesn't fit the template. It is far from precise imo. So they're missing somebody tough up front, a shut down D and a goalie. I think they've made a good start but have work to do. Please do the canucks now. Try not to use college prospects, but NHLers... since the thread is full of bad comparisons of rebuild paces! The Leafs could also have Kids in the A or lower, but don't. Hint hint. Not a bad shanaplan after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 19 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: DYNASTY so close, can almost taste it!! The miraculous 2/3-year rebuild complete. lol, just look at their D and goaltending. Way WAY more to do, they're not even half-way by any measure. But better start grabbing them rentals for futures, especially when sitting out of the playoffs. WTG, Shanaplan. Goalies can be had for cheap. A 1st rounder will get a very good goalie in a couple of years when they are ready to compete. They still have a ways to go, like you say, defense still needs work. Goalie I wouldn't worry about too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: Leafs got lucky with winning the draft lottery, yes they had the highest odds but still a lot of luck involved in winning the 1st over all lottery pick in a draft with a talent like Mathews available. Had the Canucks won the lottery and drafted Mathews the media would be writing about how the Canucks "retool" worked out so well. I'm still confident we got the 3rd best player in the draft. I think OJ will be a great player for the Canucks when it's all said and done. If the Leafs got Laine or Tkachuck, then it's still a success. Still ahead. Its not all luck. It's finishing low and picking high. Best odds. It worked. Give em credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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