Elias Pettersson | #40 | C

[ForzaTikare]

Calder trophy odds in Sweden 

[MoneypuckOverlord]

btw guys, Gabriel Vilardi is recovering from back a back injury? this is his 2nd consecutive year he missed a bunch of hockey 

17 hours ago, cory40 said:

 

This is too funny. And it proves winning the lotto might not get you the best player. And we don't know who the best player of any draft is until usually a couple seasons. If we won the draft we would not have EP. And I know its early but I feel we will feel the same about Hughes also.Could Canuck luck be changing?

LOL at the guy who had him in the 15's and as late as 20?  wtf is he?  a scout?

[D-Money]

8 hours ago, khay said:

We have to rely on drafting and trading to acquire top level players whereas a team like Chicago can draft the core but can always seem to be able to fill any gaps via UFA (e.g., Hossa). In fact, you can say that is the case for all Canadian teams including the Maple Leafs (before Tavares decided to come home, which marquee NHL player signed as a UFA with them and how long ago was it?). Perhaps that is the reason why it has been so long since a Canadian team has won a cup since you have to manage the team to perfection to win as a Canadian franchise whereas US teams can do a quick fix.

This reasoning is silly. There are very few quality UFAs available each year, and dozens of teams trying to land them. Often the teams with the best chance to win have a leg up on the competition. That's why Hossa signed in Chicago - because he identified them as the team that gave him the best chance to finally win a cup. And guess what? He was completely right, and ended up with 3 of them. That's also why Tavares signed in Toronto - they are going to be a contender for years.

 

Back when we had a good young team with lots of promise, we had no problem attracting free agents, without having to overpay. Sundin may have been winding down his career, but he was still an elite player who any playoff team would have loved to add. And Hamhuis was one of the best free agent D signings of the last 10 years. He turned down signing in Nashville, and then Pittsburgh and NYI, not just because BC was home, but also because he thought we had a real chance to win. Demitra, Samuelsson, and Malhotra were all effective players who also chose Vancouver. Why? Because the young core of the Sedins, Kesler, and Luongo was among the best in the league, and guys wanted to play (and hopefully win) with them.

 

Between the height of the former Canucks and the current version of the Leafs (and Jets, although they are a special case, that will always have trouble landing FAs), Canadian teams have been pretty crappy. They certainly haven't been favourites to contend for the cup. So why would free agents choose to sign with them (unless they overpaid)?

 

Edited September 25, 2018 by D-Money

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[rekker]

3 hours ago, ForzaTikare said:

Calder trophy odds in Sweden 

So what does Andersson throw into the crowd if he doesnt win the Calder?

[ForzaTikare]

17 minutes ago, rekker said:

So what does Andersson throw into the crowd if he doesnt win the Calder?

Hope its not the skates... Would be unsafe

[Fan since 82]

24 minutes ago, rekker said:

So what does Andersson throw into the crowd if he doesnt win the Calder?

His jockstrap 

[khay]

2 hours ago, D-Money said:

This reasoning is silly. There are very few quality UFAs available each year, and dozens of teams trying to land them. Often the teams with the best chance to win have a leg up on the competition. That's why Hossa signed in Chicago - because he identified them as the team that gave him the best chance to finally win a cup. And guess what? He was completely right, and ended up with 3 of them. That's also why Tavares signed in Toronto - they are going to be a contender for years.

 

Back when we had a good young team with lots of promise, we had no problem attracting free agents, without having to overpay. Sundin may have been winding down his career, but he was still an elite player who any playoff team would have loved to add. And Hamhuis was one of the best free agent D signings of the last 10 years. He turned down signing in Nashville, and then Pittsburgh and NYI, not just because BC was home, but also because he thought we had a real chance to win. Demitra, Samuelsson, and Malhotra were all effective players who also chose Vancouver. Why? Because the young core of the Sedins, Kesler, and Luongo was among the best in the league, and guys wanted to play (and hopefully win) with them.

 

Between the height of the former Canucks and the current version of the Leafs (and Jets, although they add a special case, that will always have trouble landing FAs), Canadian teams have been pretty crappy. They certainly haven't been favourites to contend for the cup. So why would free agents choose to sign with them (unless they overpaid)?

 

Hamhuis and Tavares are the only counterexample you can provide... Hamhuis came home. So did Tavares. Sure, it helped that we had a contender but we don't know if he would have come regardless. Come on, he turned down playing with Crosby and Malkin only to sign at discounted value. You seriously believe that he chose us over Pittsburgh because we had better chance to win? Hamhuis came home.

 

Pavol was past his prime and his agent was Gillis. Sundin was basically 40 when he joined. Doesn't count as marquee UFA.

 

Edited September 25, 2018 by khay

[D-Money]

2 minutes ago, khay said:

Hamhuis is the only counterexample you can provide... He came home. So did Tavares. Sure, it helped that we had a contender but we don't know if he would have come regardless. Come on, he turned down playing with Crosby and Malkin only to sign at discounted value. You seriously believe that he chose us over Pittsburgh because we had better chance to win? Hamhuis came home.

There were serious questions about the Penguins at the time, who had just lost in the 2nd round to the Canadiens. They were top-heavy with Crosby and Malkin's contracts, Fleury wasn't looking great... Most people thought they might be trending downwards, which they did for a few years. They weren't necessarily being tabbed as significantly better than what the Canucks seemed to be forming into.

 

I doubt Hamhuis would have targeted coming home if he also didn't think he had a significant chance to win. Who the hell is "coming home" right now? Look at the cheap contract Hamhuis just signed to return to Nashville - what do you think that's due to? Just going to the "other home"?

 

If Pettersson, Boeser, and Hughes continue to develop, and Vancouver wins the draft lottery, you'll suddenly see a lot of players wanting to sign in Vancouver, whether they're from here or not.

[khay]

50 minutes ago, D-Money said:

There were serious questions about the Penguins at the time, who had just lost in the 2nd round to the Canadiens. They were top-heavy with Crosby and Malkin's contracts, Fleury wasn't looking great... Most people thought they might be trending downwards, which they did for a few years. They weren't necessarily being tabbed as significantly better than what the Canucks seemed to be forming into.

 

I doubt Hamhuis would have targeted coming home if he also didn't think he had a significant chance to win. Who the hell is "coming home" right now? Look at the cheap contract Hamhuis just signed to return to Nashville - what do you think that's due to? Just going to the "other home"?

 

If Pettersson, Boeser, and Hughes continue to develop, and Vancouver wins the draft lottery, you'll suddenly see a lot of players wanting to sign in Vancouver, whether they're from here or not.

Because he is way past his prime.

 

Some players don't (Shea Weber) but then there are those that come back home to play in front of their family and friends. Hamhuis is one of them. We have never signed a top UFA in a long time... If ever.

[D-Money]

7 minutes ago, khay said:

Because he is way past his prime.

 

Some players don't (Shea Weber) but then there are those that come back home to play in front of their family and friends. Hamhuis is one of them. We have never signed a top UFA in a long time... If ever.

Hamhuis was the top UFA when we got him. So was Sundin, really.

 

And Weber did want to sign with Vancouver. Gillis had discussions with him when he was an RFA, and had suggested a one-year offersheet that would take him to UFA, even if Nashville matched. But that offersheet came from Philly that he couldn't say no to - especially since long-term contracts were going to be restricted with the new CBA before he could reach UFA.

 

EDIT - Not to mention, when was the last time a top UFA signed with Buffalo? Arizona? Columbus? Carolina? Obviously it's not just simply America = better.

 

Edited September 25, 2018 by D-Money

[khay]

1 minute ago, D-Money said:

Hamhuis was the top UFA when we got him. So was Sundin, really.

 

And Weber did want to sign with Vancouver. Gillis had discussions with him when he was an RFA, and had suggested a one-year offersheet that would take him to UFA, even if Nashville matched. But that offersheet came from Philly that he couldn't say no to - especially since long-term contracts were going to be restricted with the new CBA before he could reach UFA.

 

As I said Hamhuis is an exception since he gave us a hometown discount and declined some really great offers from teams that offered great chance at winning.

 

Sundin had the name value but was out of his prime. He wasn't even in shape and came in the middle of season, not even close to being in game shape. He was instrumental in developing Kesler's game and even the Sedins but he wasn't a marquee UFA that could push the team over the hump.

 

Gillis pitched the idea of 1 year 13-14 mil deal to Weber and Weber did want to come but at the same time, Weber didn't want to sign any one year deal due to possibility of an injury. That's why it didn't happen. So that was the case of a player caring more about money than coming home. Hamhuis on the other hand? He gave up money and opportunities to come home. The home team offered some good opportunities too but I think Hamhuis would have signed with us even if we were a middle of the pack team.

 

[D-Money]

27 minutes ago, khay said:

Gillis pitched the idea of 1 year 13-14 mil deal to Weber and Weber did want to come but at the same time, Weber didn't want to sign any one year deal due to possibility of an injury. That's why it didn't happen.

No. It wasn't because of injury worries. It didn't happen because after that season it would be impossible to get one of the huge, lifetime contracts that were so popular. Weber either had to get it then, or he couldn't get it at all. So when Philly offered him one, he took it, even though it probably involved staying in Nashville.

 

Gillis didn't offer Weber one of those contracts because he expected Nashville to match no matter what.

[khay]

16 minutes ago, D-Money said:

No. It wasn't because of injury worries. It didn't happen because after that season it would be impossible to get one of the huge, lifetime contracts that were so popular. Weber either had to get it then, or he couldn't get it at all. So when Philly offered him one, he took it, even though it probably involved staying in Nashville.

 

Gillis didn't offer Weber one of those contracts because he expected Nashville to match no matter what.

Sure but it stands that the Canucks and many Canadian franchises have trouble signing a marquee UFA unless it's a player deciding to give up money to come home. 

 

[D-Money]

2 minutes ago, khay said:

Sure but it stands that the Canucks and many Canadian franchises have trouble signing a marquee UFA unless it's a player deciding to give up money to come home. 

I think it stands that any NHL franchise that is not a contender for the Stanley Cup will have trouble signing a marquee UFA, regardless of country, unless special circumstances apply (i.e. - Panarin may sign with the Rangers, simply because him and his girl want to live in NY).

 

I don't at all agree with the idea that the major Canadian cities are at a disadvantage because they are Canadian (exceptions being Winnipeg and Edmonton, because of their size, climate, and distance from other major cities). Tavares is just the latest example of that. Radulov went to Montreal when they were still good. We got Hamhuis and Sundin when we were up-and-coming. When Calgary was looking good, they attracted Alex Tanguay and Jay Bouwmeester. The scarcity of elite UFA players says more about how few Canadian teams have been truly competitive, rather than anything about the country itself.

 

Even when Parise and Suter went back to Minnesota, they repeatedly said that a large deciding factor was the young players and prospects that the Wild had amassed, which was considered one of the best crop in the league at the time. They legitimately thought that if they led those young players, the Wild would be a contender for years. Unfortunately for them, almost all of the young players failed to reach their projected ceiling, and Parise has been severely hampered by injuries, so the franchise has sputtered.

 

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9 minutes ago, D-Money said:

I think it stands that any NHL franchise that is not a contender for the Stanley Cup will have trouble signing a marquee UFA, regardless of country, unless special circumstances apply (i.e. - Panarin may sign with the Rangers, simply because him and his girl want to live in NY).

 

I don't at all agree with the idea that the major Canadian cities are at a disadvantage because they are Canadian (exceptions being Winnipeg and Edmonton, because of their size, climate, and distance from other major cities). Tavares is just the latest example of that. Radulov went to Montreal when they were still good. We got Hamhuis and Sundin when we were up-and-coming. When Calgary was looking good, they attracted Alex Tanguay and Jay Bouwmeester. The scarcity of elite UFA players says more about how few Canadian teams have been truly competitive, rather than anything about the country itself.

 

Even when Parise and Suter went back to Minnesota, they repeatedly said that a large deciding factor was the young players and prospects that the Wild had amassed, which was considered one of the best crop in the league at the time. They legitimately thought that if they led those young players, the Wild would be a contender for years. Unfortunately for them, almost all of the young players failed to reach their projected ceiling, and Parise has been severely hampered by injuries, so the franchise has sputtered.

 

hamhuis and tavares were going to their hometown teams, sundin was given an offer he couldn't refuse, and the flames managed to attract jay bouwmeester by sending assets to the florida panthers. 

[D-Money]

32 minutes ago, tas said:

hamhuis and tavares were going to their hometown teams, sundin was given an offer he couldn't refuse, and the flames managed to attract jay bouwmeester by sending assets to the florida panthers. 

 

Jay was only a few days from UFA when his rights were acquired. Flames still had to convince him to stay. Which they did, in part, because they seemed to have a good young team.

 

Just because a team acquired negotiating rights doesn't mean they had  them. Look at Hamhuis - 2 teams tried it with him.

Edited September 25, 2018 by D-Money

[tas]

1 hour ago, D-Money said:

 

Jay was only a few days from UFA when his rights were acquired. Flames still had to convince him to stay. Which they did, in part, because they seemed to have a good young team.

 

Just because a team acquired negotiating rights doesn't mean they had  them. Look at Hamhuis - 2 teams tried it with him.

jbo knew he wasn't going to get $6.5 schmill on the open market, so rather than having his value driven down going to july 1, he took the flames offer. 

[rekker]

Haha. Just heard it on NHL Network and new it was coming. "This kid, EP,  has come out of nowhere". Ummm, if the Eastern media knobs didn't spend so much time with knee pads on talking about the Leafs they may have noticed what EP accomplished in Sweden last year. Frik. 

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So.......how 'bout that Pettersson kid?