Mad Jon Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 2 hours ago, N7Nucks said: Huey Dewey Lewie Donald Mickey Come on Man. Don’t be Goofy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 14 hours ago, smithers joe said: where does woo fit in? Oh darn! I love Woo, not sure how I forgot to add him. Human error. He's going to be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nucker 67 Posted May 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2019 12 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: Time to phase juolevi in. Kids gonna be a beauty for us. I think so too. He's been given a real hard time from some fans over the last couple of years (myself included), but Benning drafted him very high for a reason. He is taking longer to develop, but once he gets here, I think his calm, cool and collected play with force people to forget about how long it took. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Mad Jon said: Come on Man. Don’t be Goofy. Fine, I'll play the game. 11 hours ago, CoolCanucklehead said: Kesler Burrows Bieksa Scneider Markstrom Hansen Biega Demko Edler etc. All righty, how many of these guys were top 10 draft picks that were considered to have elite potential? Annnnnnd scene. Besides we all know goalies develop differently from forwards and d-men. Once again, point refuted. Edited May 6, 2019 by N7Nucks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zfetch Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) I'd like to see us take a flyer on Albin Grewe in the 2nd round https://cleverpuck.com/cleverpicks-2019-nhl-forward-prospects/ Grewe has been performing very well in SuperElit and we can never get enough Swedes He also has experience playing in a Men's league(SHL) Edited May 6, 2019 by Zfetch 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, Zfetch said: I'd like to see us take a flyer on Albin Grewe in the 2nd round Me too, I thought he was really noticeable during the U18 (in a good way). Plays a feisty, gritty game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post higgyfan Posted May 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, Zfetch said: I'd like to see us take a flyer on Albin Grewe in the 2nd round https://cleverpuck.com/cleverpicks-2019-nhl-forward-prospects/ Grewe has been performing very well in SuperElit and we can never get enough Swedes He also has experience playing in a Men's league(SHL) "plays with considerable energy.. is a threat down the right side when he puts his shoulder down to attack wide and then drive the net", Draftin Europe 2018 "He is at the top of the food chain, a t-rex, eats everything and thinks everything is under him", Robert Ohlsson (Coach) 2018 "slick stickhandler … dangerous in the offensive end … plays a fast game … works hard every shift … deadly on the power play", ISS Hockey 2017 Sounds like a player that would pass the 2JBs audition and be a good fit on the team. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuckYa Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, N7Nucks said: Fine, I'll play the game. All righty, how many of these guys were top 10 draft picks that were considered to have elite potential? Annnnnnd scene. Besides we all know goalies develop differently from forwards and d-men. Once again, point refuted. Most elite talent "usually" goes straight to NHL on most teams just like our elite guys did. (Utica/AHL is not an Elite development league. Elite talent was gifted to these players way before AHL time... (EP 40, Boeser, Bo, Hughes, Sedins, Bure Linden, etc.) Crosby Malkin Ovechkin Mackinnon Tavares Marner Matthews Barzal Aho Mcavoy Kane Toews Monohan Tkatchuk x 3 Hall Seguin Patrick Svechnikov Larkin Kotkaniemi Yzerman Sakic Lindros Mcdavid Eichel Hishier Heiskanen Dahlin Stamkos Laine Thornton Scheifele etc. etc. etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Are there good comparables for the Top 15 or so? I've heard certain draft eligibles have been compared to some of the games better players. What are thoughts? Not going to include Hughes, Kakko, Byram, Dach, or Turcotte. What's the point? We won't get them. Cozens - ? Krebs - Ryan O'Reilly Podkolzin - ? Zegras - ? Broberg - Alex Edler Caufield - Alex Debrincat Soderstrom - ? Boldy - Milan Lucic Newhook - ? Harley - ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 From Dobber: A list of 3-10 from most ideal to least ideal situations for each player: Quote Matthew Boldy, RW | USNDP Strengths: Great vision, formidable puck battler, fast and deceptive release paired with a strong wrist shot Weaknesses: Foot speed Ideal Selection: Colorado Avalanche Least Ideal Selection: Anaheim Ducks While the Ducks would surely be happy to acquire a player of Boldy’s skill level, Colorado’s tactical forward corps seems like much more of an appropriate fit for the Boston College commit. As @soboleskih noted in my intra-Dobber consultation, the Avs are keen to draft and develop “all-situation” players, a term that exemplifies Boldy quite well. Bowen Byram, LD | Vancouver Giants, WHL Strengths: Supreme offensive confidence, calm/easeful puck handling Weaknesses: Offensive tunnel vision could make for a rocky transition Ideal Selection: Chicago Blackhawks Least Ideal Selection: Vancouver Canucks With Quinn Hughes eyeing the top role on Vancouver’s left point for the foreseeable future, it would be difficult for Byram to carve a very similar role for himself in the same locale. The Blackhawks, on the other hand, have a near bulletproof right shot trio in the pipe with Henri Jokiharju, Adam Boqvist and Ian Mitchell prepared to begin taking over. Ideally, they’d have a player with a similar skill level lining up opposite at least one of them in the future. Dylan Cozens, C/RW | Lethbridge Hurricanes, WHL Strengths: Lethal one-timer, clean strong puck handling, speed that catches defenders by surprise Weaknesses: Honestly, not much. I can’t even expand on that. Ideal Selection: LA Kings Least Ideal Selection: Chicago Blackhawks The Yukonian is a perfect fit for the retooling LA Kings. His seemingly natural offensive ability is simply an added bonus to the 200-foot game that Cozens brings on a nightly basis. While the Hawks would surely love to have him, the support they already have from developing center, Dylan Strome is a sufficient crutch for now, truth be told, I don’t really think Cozens would be a less than ideal fit anywhere. Kirby Dach, C | Saskatoon Blades, WHL Strengths: Top speed, excellent transitional player (gets pucks deep), plays physically in all zones Weaknesses: Full effort isn’t always there Ideal Selection: Anaheim Ducks Least Ideal Selection: Detroit Red Wings The Wings’ immense depth at center automatically eliminated any pure centers from how I allocated draftees. For that reason they’ll probably end up picking one anyway. That’s beside the point of this article though. Dach fits the mold of Anaheim’s consistent development model and brings a boatload of skill and physicality to the center ice position, not unlike veteran Ryan Getzlaf. Peyton Krebs, LW/C | Kootenay/Winnipeg Ice, WHL Strengths: Works well in tight spaces, shares the puck, finds open ice, grinds hard when it’s necessary Weaknesses: Lacking in top speed Ideal Selection: Edmonton Oilers Least Ideal Selection: Buffalo Sabres With the ultimate one-two punch down the middle in Edmonton, the Oilers have been craving a left-winger to complement their top-6. Krebs’ motor and puck retrieval skills would complement the Oilers’ elite skill quite well. Watching Krebs don an Oilers uniform at the draft in Vancouver just might feel like finally finding the perfect fitting puzzle piece that you’d lost under the table. Buffalo has greater needs than a player of Krebs’ skill set, but ending up there certainly wouldn’t have a major negative impact on his value. Vasili Podkolzin, RW | SKA St. Petersburg, MHL Strengths: Aggressive on the puck, 110% effort on the rush Weaknesses: Tunnel vision Ideal Selection: Detroit Red Wings Least Ideal Selection: Edmonton Oilers The Oilers have already reached deep into the pool of talented right wingers on draft day in the past. This year, Detroit would do well to add a talented player of Podkilzin’s skill-set and background. The organization (and Steve Yzerman) have typically had success luring and developing Russian prospects and in this case it just seems like a great fit. Alex Turcotte, C | USNDP Strengths: Top-notch edgework, smooth puck handler, nifty and deceptive shot Weaknesses: Sometimes plays a little too loose Ideal Selection: Buffalo Sabres Least Ideal Selection: LA Kings Buffalo has struggled to find the next top-6 center to fill their depth chart needs in addition to Jack Eichel. After a disappointing rookie campaign, Casey Mittlestadt will aim to justify his prior hype. In the meantime, though, it couldn’t hurt for the Sabres to return to the well that is the US National Development Program for another kick at the can. LA, similar to Detroit, has substantial depth at the center position, and Turcotte just doesn’t have the size that the Kings seem to target with a lot of their draft picks. Trevor Zegras, C/LW | USNDP Strengths: Confident puck controller, takes creative lanes to avoid neutral zone congestion, unselfish despite high skill level Weaknesses: Plays a high risk style at times Ideal Selection: Vancouver Canucks Least Ideal Selection: Colorado Avalanche Zegras plays a style of hockey that seems like it would complement the Canucks’ offense perfectly. His speed and skill would complement any team’s top-6, but the Canucks have proven to be a lush ground for development in that area. To conclude, it’s important to remember that some of these players may even drop out of the top-10. The truth is that NHL scouting teams have far more resources and accessibility to these players than we do as independents. If that happens, consider it a minor red flag. Based on multiple evaluations, this group of players has been deemed to be among the same tier of players, so what is left unknown to us could be all the difference. https://dobberhockey.com/hockey-home/the-journey/the-journey-the-curious-case-of-three-to-ten/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter For the Canucks, least ideal: Byram, most ideal: Zegras. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said: From Dobber: A list of 3-10 from most ideal to least ideal situations for each player: https://dobberhockey.com/hockey-home/the-journey/the-journey-the-curious-case-of-three-to-ten/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter For the Canucks, least ideal: Byram, most ideal: Zegras. I appreciate the guy's effort, but (IMO) the most ideal guy for is is the highest ranked player left on JB's list. I really don't think JB should consider a player's fit into the current lineup as a draft reason in round one. Always just take the guy who is highest on his list. As for Zegras, I'm not a fan of this player. Watched him for some time now and see too much of a perimeter guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 38 minutes ago, CoolCanucklehead said: Most elite talent "usually" goes straight to NHL on most teams just like our elite guys did. (Utica/AHL is not an Elite development league. Elite talent was gifted to these players way before AHL time... (EP 40, Boeser, Bo, Hughes, Sedins, Bure Linden, etc.) Crosby Malkin Ovechkin Mackinnon Tavares Marner Matthews Barzal Aho Mcavoy Kane Toews Monohan Tkatchuk x 3 Hall Seguin Patrick Svechnikov Larkin Kotkaniemi Yzerman Sakic Lindros Mcdavid Eichel Hishier Heiskanen Dahlin Stamkos Laine Thornton Scheifele etc. etc. etc. Very true with forwards, but not so true with D men. It's almost the opposite with D men. (Although, maybe those days are fading too?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Thanks for sharing the listing Ossi. I find it odd that he would say Boldy is ideal for COL, considering they won't get him. They have the 4th, and Boldy isn't good enough to be taken so high. COL also has a 16th I believe, so maybe Boldy will hang around until then? Maybe not. I kind of laugh at all of these rankings from the so-called experts. I noticed that Broberg dropped in the MYNHLDRAFT site, to #15. Don't they realize he'll be the 2nd best Dman in this draft? They've also got Krebs at #12. Zegras isn't my first choice at all, but he does play a feisty, annoying game. He's also very skilled with the puck, elite passer. A little bit like Marchand I suppose, without the dirty work. He could be a thorn and possibly real good in the playoffs one day. But I think the Canucks should go with Broberg is he's there. I believe he'll have more impact for the Canucks than any of those forwards lingering around #10 (Cozens, Zegras, Caufield, Boldy, Newhook) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuckYa Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, Alflives said: Very true with forwards, but not so true with D men. It's almost the opposite with D men. (Although, maybe those days are fading too?) Makar Fabro Hughes Mcavoy Sergachev Heiskanen Dahlin S. Jones Hanifin Chychrun Ohlund Housley S.Stevens Jim Benning Werenski (played 7 AHL games) etc. You are right though. The hardest one is Goalies by far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoastsniper Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 45 minutes ago, Alflives said: I appreciate the guy's effort, but (IMO) the most ideal guy for is is the highest ranked player left on JB's list. I really don't think JB should consider a player's fit into the current lineup as a draft reason in round one. Always just take the guy who is highest on his list. As for Zegras, I'm not a fan of this player. Watched him for some time now and see too much of a perimeter guy. I think it's about where is the most ideal landing spot for the player not which is the best player for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Impact Player (they shouldn't draft a 2nd line forward with the #10, but that's what I see in Krebs, Cozens, Zegras, Boldy and Newhook) I would also include Podkolzin as an impact player, but who knows with Russians, he may not stay in NA, if he gets here at all (too risky). Dach Turcotte Broberg Caufield Soderstrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zfetch Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I'd rather have Harley or Heinola over Broberg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinyoureyesontheprize Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Any news as to when draft tickets go on sale? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 29 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Impact Player (they shouldn't draft a 2nd line forward with the #10, but that's what I see in Krebs, Cozens, Zegras, Boldy and Newhook) I would also include Podkolzin as an impact player, but who knows with Russians, he may not stay in NA, if he gets here at all (too risky). Dach Turcotte Broberg Caufield Soderstrom All those guys you mentioned could very easily slide into a top line role. And lets be real, Soderstrom and Broberg could very easily be 4/5 d-men which is the equivalent of a 2nd line forward. You make it sound like getting top 6 player, even if a 2nd liner, is a bad thing with the number 10 pick. We should count that as a win if any of these players can play top 4 defense or top 6 forward. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Are there good comparables for the Top 15 or so? I've heard certain draft eligibles have been compared to some of the games better players. What are thoughts? Not going to include Hughes, Kakko, Byram, Dach, or Turcotte. What's the point? We won't get them. Cozens - ? Krebs - Ryan O'Reilly Podkolzin - ? Zegras - ? Broberg - Alex Edler Caufield - Alex Debrincat Soderstrom - ? Boldy - Milan Lucic Newhook - ? Harley - ? Boldy has insane dangles and vision. Definitely not a Lucic comparable. I always felt Cozens-Getzlaf Krebs-Skinner Podk-Laine Zegras-Giroux Broberg-Edler Caufield-Debrincat Soderstrom-Ellis Boldy-Wheeler Turcotte-Bergeron Now these of course are playing styles and high ceiling outcomes. I don’t think every player becomes this comparable. Edited May 6, 2019 by flickyoursedin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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