Nuxfanabroad Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, ButterBean said: A lot of positives to take in this year but with that being said can we stop with the injury excuse? They’re part of the game and we’ve been incredibly unlucky but I’m tired of hearing the same “what if we were healthy” line time and time again. I say this a lot but the team is way too soft and If we can barely escape the regular season without big injuries we’re in for trouble when the playoffs roll around. There's a difference between reasons & excuses..mostly subject to one's pov, & comparative cases. Original post, tried to serve up the reasoning that the injuries gave us a chance to review the team's depth & resilience, fwiw. Certainly progress in their ability to claw back into the WC hunt, if we measure it with previous seasons. 17 minutes ago, HockeyHarry said: Sutter is healthy so it’s time to trade him before his next injury. The guy may get us something in return. instead of being stretched with another injury , you know Sutter is going to get hurt again this season it’s inevitable and it’s also unavoidable he’ll be hurt again next season as well . Trade him while he’s healthy, Cuz it won’t last long. Sutter & Gud are both showing their limitations. But if we retain on them(future TDL's perhaps) we can prob recoup some youth/picks, & stay low cap. Meanwhile, Kesler's become an almost 7,000,000 $!!!ouch!!! albatross, for yrs to come. It's sharp recycling of a strong 2003 pick. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 Another sweet positive has been developing with each passing month. From some of our well-informed posters(prospect section), it increasingly appears we landed THREE 1st round talents, at last spring's draft. Hughes, Woo & Madden have been keeping the excitement building for our pipeline of youth. The 2015, 2017 & 2018 drafts are looking like a haul of historic proportions. JB & Brackett are batting like they're Babe Ruth & Gehrig! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 The best thing about the ASG is the extended break for the nucks. Time to break down the first half, tweak things, heal up and rest up our young guys kot yet used to the NHL grind. We are in the best possible position to have important games in the back half as we have been in 4 years. Green should have these guys hungry and ready to go. That's my expectation and I wont take any excuse for less than an all out effort by the roster till the end of the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 Part 2: 57gp W25-L25-7 - If we'd known we'd be a .500 team at mid-Feb(say, after training camp), bet 95% of CDC'ers would've grabbed it. - Injuries have again been a prob, but a few cases could've been far worse(touch wood..not bothering with names!) - Our top prospects from 2018 draft have been trending beautifully - The summer FA's have mostly been a blessing. Have to accept some Schaller, Gag busts, in order to land some good ones too. Now finally, looks like we'll get to see some semblance of a seriously youth-laden lineup, that many posters wanted from the get-go. There are 2 wks until TDL, so we can do further tweaking to this evolving roster. Hopefully some extra assets can land us more picks. Last 25 games should(at the very least) be good entertainment/roster-insight for the coming seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 On 1/30/2019 at 4:59 PM, HockeyHarry said: Sutter is healthy so it’s time to trade him before his next injury. The guy may get us something in return. instead of being stretched with another injury , you know Sutter is going to get hurt again this season it’s inevitable and it’s also unavoidable he’ll be hurt again next season as well . Trade him while he’s healthy, Cuz it won’t last long. Pitifully prophetic! :^( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 I like how this thread has aged. It gives a nice look at how our team has beautifully progressed, yr on yr. Pls note: Started it in late Jan, 2019, with further updates(& title-tweak) in early February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 On 1/22/2019 at 6:30 AM, Nuxfanabroad said: We've all cited the Nov health, as one of the season's main points of frustration. What if we had been healthy straight through to this juncture? I think it's fair to imagine we'd be in the SJ, Vegas range, in terms of points. So could it be argued that it's actually better, as things have gone? 1- We learned of the org's depth. Past yr's it would've sunk us..now we can hold on. Next yr we'll probably be even deeper, & more capable should a host of injuries hit. 2- We could see they're absolutely buying into what TG's preaching..playing hard for each other. There's trust & commitment. 3- The injuries gave opportunity to really see if some 'bubble' youth are gonna cut the mustard. Could try diff lines/combos/sp teams that we wouldn't have, if healthy. Even on the farm different players were leaned on(some heavily) which should pay dividends down the road. 4- There's a 'sink or swim' element, that's not easy to pinpoint or quickly define. I'd say around the holidays this team passed through it, & kept on swimming. Can't measure the individual growth, but many younger players must have learned/gained from the extra challenge. *****************************************************************::: ********************************************************************* Appears JB & TG have developed something pretty unique & impressive. A large chunk of this is probably attributable to drafting great kids(strong character skills). Then add the benefit of respected leadership vets to emulate. From past vets(esp twins) to some good guys they've brought in through Fr.agency & trades. A great number of franchises do the yo yo dance..up 1 yr, fall back, then up again, etc...(Avs, Devs, maybe best recent examples). From this group, believe we're going to see a steady, yr on yr progression, all the way to a developed, deep contender. As a final bonus, they have the books(cap scenario) in pretty nice shape. There's plenty room, as the top ELC's upgrade contracts; additionally appears JB's drafting will keep further waves of ELC's arriving like clockwork. From 2013~2018 it was a tough slog. But they've built it right. Hogslander, Madden and Rathbone coming into the fold this year. Looks like a solid pipeline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Phat Fingers said: Hogslander, Madden and Rathbone coming into the fold this year. Looks like a solid pipeline. Indeed..beautiful, ain't it? After bumping this old thread, just glanced at the views..1970! It's been 50 yrs..finally we have a trending upwards team, with a wealth of youth to follow. Faith in our coach & front office, & a cast of dependable, truly likeable, top stars. I'm really enjoying this team now. All the elements are set. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Indeed..beautiful, ain't it? After bumping this old thread, just glanced at the views..1970! It's been 50 yrs..finally we have a trending upwards team, with a wealth of youth to follow. Faith in our coach & front office, & a cast of dependable, truly likeable, top stars. I'm really enjoying this team now. All the elements are set. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Here is a positive Manny Mulholtra still working his magic 3 players in the top 10 in F/O % and Bo leading in F/O's taken Some people complain about Beagle, but many of those won F/O's were on the PK 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 On 1/23/2019 at 3:04 AM, Team Bagues said: I'm not seeing a deep contender yet but I agreed with the steady progression. Feels like our group is stable, and still growing in to various roles. We've been hovering around the league median for most of the year which is pretty darn good for a team in transition. It seems to me that a deep contending team requires a really good D or O, and we're not there yet on either front. Curious what people think we are closer to rounding out - our forward group or defense group. Looking at other teams considered deep - leaving Tampa out because they are an extreme outlier on the very, very deep and skilled end of things. Teams like Pitts, Wash, Tor, Winn, Nash, SJ generally have 5-4 lethal scoring threats? Canucks to me are 2 offensive threats away.... On D - when the six are healthy - I'm seeing a pretty stable core - just lacking the 2 or 3 puck moving offensive threats that most good teams seem to have. To me a guy like Hutton is developing in to what many deep teams have - 2-3 solid defenders who can jump up and chip in on the O when appropriate. Love what JB has done to this info, in JUST 1 yr! We've leapfrogged the last 3 teams you listed here. In truth, wouldn't trade our 50 contracts with ANY of those teams that were rated so high, just one yr back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 30 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Indeed..beautiful, ain't it? After bumping this old thread, just glanced at the views..1970! It's been 50 yrs..finally we have a trending upwards team, with a wealth of youth to follow. Faith in our coach & front office, & a cast of dependable, truly likeable, top stars. I'm really enjoying this team now. All the elements are set. The years leading up to 2011 were similar.......lots of young players developing into core pieces and a goalie who can win games outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Goddamn it guys. I was reading this thread as if it was new - (misread 2019 as 2020...), and thought it was weird I missed this for several days. WHY was this brought back to life? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, stawns said: The years leading up to 2011 were similar.......lots of young players developing into core pieces and a goalie who can win games outright. In truth I see even more upside now. There are ingreds this franchise has never had, like QH. There don't appear to be any detracting drama queens/divers/etc...The stated emphasis on character has set a high bar. & incoming youth? Pondering JB/Brackett's handiwork of incessant ELC's is like standing on the shore, watching waves rolling in. These guys are Good! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 21 minutes ago, stawns said: The years leading up to 2011 were similar.......lots of young players developing into core pieces and a goalie who can win games outright. Who are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Playoffs baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 On 1/22/2019 at 2:30 AM, Nuxfanabroad said: We've all cited the Nov health, as one of the season's main points of frustration. What if we had been healthy straight through to this juncture? I think it's fair to imagine we'd be in the SJ, Vegas range, in terms of points. So could it be argued that it's actually better, as things have gone? 1- We learned of the org's depth. Past yr's it would've sunk us..now we can hold on. Next yr we'll probably be even deeper, & more capable should a host of injuries hit. 2- We could see they're absolutely buying into what TG's preaching..playing hard for each other. There's trust & commitment. 3- The injuries gave opportunity to really see if some 'bubble' youth are gonna cut the mustard. Could try diff lines/combos/sp teams that we wouldn't have, if healthy. Even on the farm different players were leaned on(some heavily) which should pay dividends down the road. 4- There's a 'sink or swim' element, that's not easy to pinpoint or quickly define. I'd say around the holidays this team passed through it, & kept on swimming. Can't measure the individual growth, but many younger players must have learned/gained from the extra challenge. *****************************************************************::: ********************************************************************* Appears JB & TG have developed something pretty unique & impressive. A large chunk of this is probably attributable to drafting great kids(strong character skills). Then add the benefit of respected leadership vets to emulate. From past vets(esp twins) to some good guys they've brought in through Fr.agency & trades. A great number of franchises do the yo yo dance..up 1 yr, fall back, then up again, etc...(Avs, Devs, maybe best recent examples). From this group, believe we're going to see a steady, yr on yr progression, all the way to a developed, deep contender. As a final bonus, they have the books(cap scenario) in pretty nice shape. There's plenty room, as the top ELC's upgrade contracts; additionally appears JB's drafting will keep further waves of ELC's arriving like clockwork. From 2013~2018 it was a tough slog. But they've built it right. We are definitely in a good place as far as team development. We're in 1st place in our division, our young roster players are producing in all aspects of the game, and our prospect pool is deeper than it's ever been. Now our team gets to learn what it's like to be chased rather than doing the chasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 4 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: Who are you referring to? kesler, burrows, juice, hansen, schneider etc etc.........all the guys who developed in the minors and went on to become important pieces of the 2011 run. Of course the goalie is Luongo, who stole a lot of games in the formative years of that group as they developed and gelled 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 5 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: In truth I see even more upside now. There are ingreds this franchise has never had, like QH. There don't appear to be any detracting drama queens/divers/etc...The stated emphasis on character has set a high bar. & incoming youth? Pondering JB/Brackett's handiwork of incessant ELC's is like standing on the shore, watching waves rolling in. These guys are Good! I agree, I like this group better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 Been so much nice progress(yr on yr), that I feel compelled to note one sobering point: I'm somewhat skeptical that we'll continue to see rapid gains Next Jan/Feb(2021). Don't really think they'll dip..but perhaps maintain this current level, for a yr or so? Nice that many Div opponents appear to be sliding backwards. This should help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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