Popular Post laddie Posted June 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2019 Anders Lee is a free agent and set to sign a big contract tomorrow. It will be interesting after he signs if it makes the Canucks trade for Miller look that much more appealing. Both are big bodied LW’s who have put up points consistently in their careers. While Anders Lee is 4 years older and the captain of his team, Miller is 4 years younger, can play multiple positions well and is signed for 5.25 million through 2023. I think we will see Lee make more then that and if so is J.T. Miller good value even at the cost? Is the cost not then appropriate? 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canuck #12 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 I don't think it's any coincidence that once the Canucks acquired Miller, all rumors of them going after a UFA power forward stopped. Miller is our younger, cost-controlled alternative to Lee, Ferland, Simmonds, etc. We'll just have to wait and see if the 1st round pick cost was a better option than the cap space we would have lost if we signed one of these guys. I think alot will depend on whether the Canucks are willing and able to sign Miller to a reasonable extension before he eventually becomes a UFA himself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post higgyfan Posted June 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, laddie said: Anders Lee is a free agent and set to sign a big contract tomorrow. It will be interesting after he signs if it makes the Canucks trade for Miller look that much more appealing. Both are big bodied LW’s who have put up points consistently in their careers. While Anders Lee is 4 years older and the captain of his team, Miller is 4 years younger, can play multiple positions well and is signed for 5.25 million through 2023. I think we will see Lee make more then that and if so is J.T. Miller good value even at the cost? Is the cost not then appropriate? I think Lee is going to sign a contract worth much more than 5.25m and it will have a longer term, with possible trade restrictions. Anders was a late bloomer that found his scoring ability when he played alongside Taveras. His #s for last season (Taveras-less) slipped a bit, as did his new C Barzel's (as he adjusted to becoming the Iles' #1. Lee's a classic sniper that requires a good playmaker on his line. He obvioulsy brings toughness and leadership to his team, as well. At 26, Miller is just entering his prime. He had his breakout year 4 season's ago and although he can score, he is more of a playmaker. In the past 3 yrs his points have totaled: 56, 58 & 47 while Lee acrued 52, 62 & 51pts. Those #s are pretty close; especially if you consider the quality of linemates each of them had. Miller also brings toughness and leadership to his team, but Lee brings a bit more size. Lee may be the better player, but for the $ (and age), Miller is very comparable. I am really excited to see how Miller does on Pete's line this season. 2 4 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Miller will be just like Leivo, Pearson or others, the magic happens sometimes when Goldy is with them, maybe the plan it to put Brock with Bo and JT instead and sign Lee to play with Goldy and Elias. But Miller is a career center and not a winger so ????? 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Who is the guy that Winnipeg gave up a first for, and then he went to the Rags and signed for over 7 million per? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nergish Posted June 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2019 So, you're saying JT Miller is a good player? Good, here I thought Jimbo gave up that conditional first for a plug... Seriously. Everybody on CDC go watch some Miller highlights - he hits, he stands up for his teammates, and can make plays. This guy is a Western conference player. He'll be here for a long time. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 56 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Miller will be just like Leivo, Pearson or others, the magic happens sometimes when Goldy is with them, maybe the plan it to put Brock with Bo and JT instead and sign Lee to play with Goldy and Elias. But Miller is a career center and not a winger so ????? Goldy, Leivo & Pearson are nowhere near the player Miller is. BTW, he played L/R Wing in Tampa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 2 hours ago, laddie said: Anders Lee is a free agent and set to sign a big contract tomorrow. It will be interesting after he signs if it makes the Canucks trade for Miller look that much more appealing. Both are big bodied LW’s who have put up points consistently in their careers. While Anders Lee is 4 years older and the captain of his team, Miller is 4 years younger, can play multiple positions well and is signed for 5.25 million through 2023. I think we will see Lee make more then that and if so is J.T. Miller good value even at the cost? Is the cost not then appropriate? IMO it already is because if petey gets run, JT will be all over whoever did it. He's not the best fighter in the league but will drop em against anyone who does a teammate cheapshot and we need that! A sniper that does a bit of policing when necessary... this is why those 2 extra picks for JT made it worth it and then some! We won that deal! People don't always see the intangables of what extra things a player brings unless you see him regularly in your division or on your team. We all know come playoff time Petey and Brock will be targets and unless there was some grit on that line the results might be horrendous, and we can't afford to have our top 2 elites beaten on or injured as in the past (Sedins) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18W-40C-6W Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 45 minutes ago, Alflives said: Who is the guy that Winnipeg gave up a first for, and then he went to the Rags and signed for over 7 million per? Hayes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, 18W-40C-6W said: Hayes Thanks. Miller is on a Bo like great contract. Cap dollars have a lot of value. The Leafs gave up a first round pick to clear 6 million! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Alflives said: Thanks. Miller is on a Bo like great contract. Cap dollars have a lot of value. The Leafs gave up a first round pick to clear 6 million! Tampa got given a top ten pick to get rid of their cap problem 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 37 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Goldy, Leivo & Pearson are nowhere near the player Miller is. BTW, he played L/R Wing in Tampa... Over 550 FO's, not a winger, a center with limited icetime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 3 hours ago, laddie said: Anders Lee is a free agent and set to sign a big contract tomorrow. It will be interesting after he signs if it makes the Canucks trade for Miller look that much more appealing. Both are big bodied LW’s who have put up points consistently in their careers. While Anders Lee is 4 years older and the captain of his team, Miller is 4 years younger, can play multiple positions well and is signed for 5.25 million through 2023. I think we will see Lee make more then that and if so is J.T. Miller good value even at the cost? Is the cost not then appropriate? Getting fair value doesn't always make a trade good or bad. If in the 2011 season Vancouver traded Kesler away and got crazy value as far as picks and prospects go, would that make it a good trade? No, the team was trying to win the cup that year. So as far as value, who knows that's a different argument. For me, our scouts have been killing it so trading a 1st & 3rd gets rid of BY FAR our biggest strength of this regime, drafting. Now, that's fine if you're trying to win now (and I know Benning is, his job is on the line). But should Vancouver be selling their future to win now? Is Miller going to help this team win a cup more in the next 4 years than those draft picks would in 4 or 5 years? I don't think so, so that's why I don't like the trade. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 18W-40C-6W Posted June 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Tampa got given a top ten pick to get rid of their cap problem What? No they didn’t. If we don’t make the playoffs this year we keep it. This roster is more than good enough to make the playoffs in two years guy. Smh 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, iceman64 said: IMO it already is because if petey gets run, JT will be all over whoever did it. He's not the best fighter in the league but will drop em against anyone who does a teammate cheapshot and we need that! A sniper that does a bit of policing when necessary... this is why those 2 extra picks for JT made it worth it and then some! We won that deal! People don't always see the intangables of what extra things a player brings unless you see him regularly in your division or on your team. We all know come playoff time Petey and Brock will be targets and unless there was some grit on that line the results might be horrendous, and we can't afford to have our top 2 elites beaten on or injured as in the past (Sedins) Definitely need a protector for another year or two but the cost. Why not Anders Lee, similar guy, plays only wing, bigger without the cost. Just wait until that pick is used the cry from this market will be profound. "Picking number one from the Vancouver Canucks the Tampa Bay Lightning take this years defensive player of the year 6'4" ? ? scored 56 goals and 135 points as defense man..." Sure not likely to happen but then again, Vancouver's luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Tampa got given a top ten pick to get rid of their cap problem JTM is a 26 year old top six winger, who plays a heavy game and consistently puts up 50 points, and he’s on a really good cap dollar for four more years. Marleau is old, and had (clearly) negative value. Hayes, a comparable to Miller, just got a 7 million dollar per year deals from the Rangers. That more of a comparable to Miller. IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 41 minutes ago, iceman64 said: IMO it already is because if petey gets run, JT will be all over whoever did it. bwahahahahaha Gudbranson Prust Dorsett Tryamkin Couldn't protect Canucks from being run but JT Miller will? OMG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Alflives said: JTM is a 26 year old top six winger, who plays a heavy game and consistently puts up 50 points, and he’s on a really good cap dollar for four more years. Marleau is old, and had (clearly) negative value. Hayes, a comparable to Miller, just got a 7 million dollar per year deals from the Rangers. That more of a comparable to Miller. IMO. Top six on this team is no accomplishment or hard to do, any number of recent players have been top six players to play with? What is this business about Miller as a winger, look up his stats he has been a center for ages, over 2100 face offs the last three seasons, a winger? Just because Benning says he is a winger doesn't make it so, he can put anyone at wing and call them a winger but it doesn't make them good at it defensively and Miller's plus/minus is marginal for that team over the last 3 years he sits at 0, on a team that has been scoring over 100 goals a year more than they are letting in. Hayes returns to the Rangers.The Rangers got an extra #1 pick, why didn't the Canucks do something like that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Man Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 No contract from any other player is going to justify this idiocy. This is nothing more than an attempt to self medicate the horror you felt when you learned Jim Benning traded a 1st round pick away for a “toolbox” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatoes11 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Considering how little Colin Miller got and how little Shaw, who is only 1 year older, got. I would have to say there is no defending this deal unless Miller turns into Ryan O Reilly and gets us a cup. And we all know that’s not happening. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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