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I don't think it's any coincidence that once the Canucks acquired Miller, all rumors of them going after a UFA power forward stopped.  Miller is our younger, cost-controlled alternative to Lee, Ferland, Simmonds, etc.  We'll just have to wait and see if the 1st round pick cost was a better option than the cap space we would have lost if we signed one of these guys.  I think alot will depend on whether the Canucks are willing and able to sign Miller to a reasonable extension before he eventually becomes a UFA himself.

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56 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said:

Miller will be just like Leivo, Pearson or others, the magic happens sometimes when Goldy is with them, maybe the plan it to put Brock with Bo and JT instead and sign Lee to play with Goldy and Elias. But Miller is a career center and not a winger so ?????

 

Goldy, Leivo & Pearson are nowhere near the player Miller is.  BTW, he played L/R Wing in Tampa...

 

 

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2 hours ago, laddie said:

Anders Lee is a free agent and set to sign a big contract tomorrow.  It will be interesting after he signs if it makes the Canucks trade for Miller look that much more appealing.  Both are big bodied LW’s who have put up points consistently in their careers.  While Anders Lee is 4 years older and the captain of his team, Miller is 4 years younger, can play multiple positions well and is signed for 5.25 million through 2023.  I think we will see Lee make more then that and if so is J.T. Miller good value even at the cost?  Is the cost not then appropriate?

IMO it already is because if petey gets run, JT will be all over whoever did it. He's not the best fighter in the league but will drop em against anyone who  does a teammate cheapshot and we need that! A sniper that does a bit of policing when necessary... this is why those 2 extra picks for JT made it worth it and then some! We won that deal! People don't always see the intangables of what extra things a player brings unless you see him regularly in your division or on your team. We all know come playoff time Petey and Brock will be targets and unless there was some grit on that line the results might be horrendous, and we can't afford to have our top 2 elites beaten on or injured as in the past (Sedins) 

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3 hours ago, laddie said:

Anders Lee is a free agent and set to sign a big contract tomorrow.  It will be interesting after he signs if it makes the Canucks trade for Miller look that much more appealing.  Both are big bodied LW’s who have put up points consistently in their careers.  While Anders Lee is 4 years older and the captain of his team, Miller is 4 years younger, can play multiple positions well and is signed for 5.25 million through 2023.  I think we will see Lee make more then that and if so is J.T. Miller good value even at the cost?  Is the cost not then appropriate?

Getting fair value doesn't always make a trade good or bad.  

If in the 2011 season Vancouver traded Kesler away and got crazy value as far as picks and prospects go, would that make it a good trade?  No, the team was trying to win the cup that year.

 

So as far as value, who knows that's a different argument.  For me, our scouts have been killing it so trading a 1st & 3rd gets rid of BY FAR our biggest strength of this regime, drafting.  Now, that's fine if you're trying to win now (and I know Benning is, his job is on the line).  But should Vancouver be selling their future to win now?  Is Miller going to help this team win a cup more in the next 4 years than those draft picks would in 4 or 5 years?  I don't think so, so that's why I don't like the trade.  

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30 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

IMO it already is because if petey gets run, JT will be all over whoever did it. He's not the best fighter in the league but will drop em against anyone who  does a teammate cheapshot and we need that! A sniper that does a bit of policing when necessary... this is why those 2 extra picks for JT made it worth it and then some! We won that deal! People don't always see the intangables of what extra things a player brings unless you see him regularly in your division or on your team. We all know come playoff time Petey and Brock will be targets and unless there was some grit on that line the results might be horrendous, and we can't afford to have our top 2 elites beaten on or injured as in the past (Sedins) 

Definitely need a protector for another year or two but the cost. Why not Anders Lee, similar guy, plays only wing, bigger without the cost. Just wait until that pick is used the cry from this market will be profound.

 

"Picking number one from the Vancouver Canucks the Tampa Bay Lightning take this years defensive player of the year 6'4" ? ? scored 56 goals and 135 points as defense man..."

 

Sure not likely to happen but then again, Vancouver's luck?

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20 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said:

:lol:Tampa got given a top ten pick to get rid of their cap problem

JTM is a 26 year old top six winger, who plays a heavy game and consistently puts up 50 points, and he’s on a really good cap dollar for four more years.  Marleau is old, and had (clearly) negative value.   Hayes, a comparable to Miller, just got a 7 million dollar per year deals from the Rangers.  That more of a comparable to Miller. IMO.  

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

JTM is a 26 year old top six winger, who plays a heavy game and consistently puts up 50 points, and he’s on a really good cap dollar for four more years.  Marleau is old, and had (clearly) negative value.   Hayes, a comparable to Miller, just got a 7 million dollar per year deals from the Rangers.  That more of a comparable to Miller. IMO.  

Top six on this team is no accomplishment or hard to do, any number of recent players have been top six players to play with?

What is this business about Miller as a winger, look up his stats he has been a center for ages, over 2100 face offs the last three seasons, a winger?

Just because Benning says he is a winger doesn't make it so, he can put anyone at wing and call them a winger but it doesn't make them good at it defensively and Miller's plus/minus is marginal for that team over the last 3 years he sits at 0, on a team that has been scoring over 100 goals a year more than they are letting in.

 

Hayes returns to the Rangers.The Rangers got an extra #1 pick, why didn't the Canucks do something like that?

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Considering how little Colin Miller got and how little Shaw, who is only 1 year older, got. I would have to say there is no defending this deal unless Miller turns into Ryan O Reilly and gets us a cup. And we all know that’s not happening.

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