48MPHSlapShot Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, canuck73_3 said: Sutter is a proven top 9 C defensive and PK specialist and Gaudette and Baer aren't. You really love comparing apples to oranges But Baer "can't stay healthy" because he only played 26 games last year, despite playing the majority of the 3 seasons prior? Going by your logic, if Sutter can't stay healthy, then his prowess as a "top 9 defensive C and PK specialist" is irrelevant, considering he can't stay healthy, amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, 48MPHSlapShot said: But Baer "can't stay healthy" because he only played 26 games last year, despite playing the majority of the 3 seasons prior? Going by your logic, if Sutter can't stay healthy, then his prowess as a "top 9 defensive C and PK specialist" is irrelevant, considering he can't stay healthy, amirite? Going by my logic Baertschi doesn't bring anything more to the table than Leivo. We don't yet have a player that makes Sutter expendable as Gaudette is not quite there yet defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dombrova22 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Gonna stay off this website till Wednesday. You guys whine and bitch so damn much 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Canuckster86 said: true, but this is the interweb, always going to have disagreements or people antagonizing others with their comments to "egg" people on I guess. Internet tough guys and all that jazz. Thought Baer looked good with Guadette. But it's a business and management made their choices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: Both Eriksson and Leivo outscored Baertschi last year AND they're defensively responsible. And both have stayed healthy. I like Leivo. We need him. Loui stays healthy because he never gets involved in the play. He had three friggin’ hits all last season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: That was in 26 games. Way to try and skew the stats to prove your point. Baertschi has been by far the more consistent player over the last 3 years. I know it shouldn’t be this hard to figure out. Scoring depth equals more wins. We just weakened that today. The point is Baertschi can't stay healhy and Leivo and Eriksson can. Baer just got squeezed out by competition which is great news for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Both Eriksson and Leivo outscored Baertschi last year AND they're defensively responsible. And both have stayed healthy. He played 26 games... What a silly argument. Had he played the whole season he would ah e easily outscored them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Dombrova22 said: Gonna stay off this website till Wednesday. You guys whine and bitch so damn much Stay off it indefinitely if you want to avoid that...Someone would still whine if we won the CUP because we had player X on the ice last minute instead of player Y haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Alflives said: I like Leivo. We need him. Loui stays healthy because he never gets involved in the play. He had three friggin’ hits all last season! His defensive game is based on puck play hitting has never really been an element in his game. He uses good reads and stick checking. I'd still rather he be moved but I get why he is still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: He played 26 games... What a silly argument. Had he played the whole season he would ah e easily outscored them. Basing keeping him in the lineup based on “scoring potential” when he has never played a full season is a silly argument... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: The point is Baertschi can't stay healhy and Leivo and Eriksson can. Baer just got squeezed out by competition which is great news for the team. What proof do you have that Leivo can stay healthy? Last season was his career high at 49 games. Hardly worth comparing. As for him being squeezed out by competition? What competition? Leivo, Eriksson, Schaller, and Virtanen did not outplay him... Seems to me Gaudettes coming out party was made possible by his chemistry with Baertschi. Don’t know why they wouldn’t explore that more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, canuck73_3 said: Going by my logic Baertschi doesn't bring anything more to the table than Leivo. We don't yet have a player that makes Sutter expendable as Gaudette is not quite there yet defensively. But Gaudette doubled Sutter's offense, and since context apparently doesn't matter any more, that should more than qualify Gaudette. And besides, if Sutter's defensive prowess is only available for less than a 3rd of the season, what does it matter anyways? Your mindset is based entirely on the assumption that Baertschi will only play the same number of games he did last year. Even if that does happen to be the case, which is extremely unlikely, we'd have someone that could fill in, Leivo or otherwise, that would likely match whatever contribution Leivo can make anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, DeNiro said: What proof do you have that Leivo can stay healthy? Last season was his career high at 49 games. Hardly worth comparing. As for him being squeezed out by competition? What competition? Leivo, Eriksson, Schaller, and Virtanen did not outplay him... Seems to me Gaudettes coming out party was made possible by his chemistry with Baertschi. Don’t know why they wouldn’t explore that more. Leivo played 76 games last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: But Gaudette doubled Sutter's offense, and since context apparently doesn't matter any more, that should more than qualify Gaudette. And besides, if Sutter's defensive prowess is only available for less than a 3rd of the season, what does it matter anyways? Your mindset is based entirely on the assumption that Baertschi will only play the same number of games he did last year. Even if that does happen to be the case, which is extremely unlikely, we'd have someone that could fill in, Leivo or otherwise, that would likely match whatever contribution Leivo can make anyways. I never said Baertschi will play the same number of games as last year, I said he has never played a full season, which is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Basing keeping him in the lineup based on “scoring potential” when he has never played a full season is a silly argument... Same thing can be said for Leivo or Virtanen. Its not potential when he has a track record of being a 30 point player. Seems to be more of a stretch that Eriksson won’t be a healthy scratch more often than not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Leivo played 76 games last year First time in his career he’s played anywhere close to a full season. Hardly a track record of staying healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, DeNiro said: Same thing can be said for Leivo or Virtanen. Its not potential when he has a track record of being a 30 point player. Seems to be more of a stretch that Eriksson won’t be a healthy scratch more often than not. He was a 30 point player once. He has yet to play a full season. Odds are much higher he won't play a full season than being a 30 point player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, canuck73_3 said: I never said Baertschi will play the same number of games as last year, I said he has never played a full season, which is correct. How many has Leivo played? How many has Sutter played? Full seasons are pretty rare. Baers first two seasons with the Canucks he played 68 and 69 games respectively. The season before last he still played 53 games, picking up 29 points in those 53 games, which would still likely top the production Leivo would put up in a full season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: He was a 30 point player once. He has yet to play a full season. Odds are much higher he won't play a full season than being a 30 point player And Leivo has scored 24 points once. His next highest total being 10 points. Odds are he’s not going to provide us consistent secondary scoring. Baertschi has already proven he can. That is way more of a stretch no matter how you spin it. Edited October 1, 2019 by DeNiro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I have a feeling that Baer is going to get picked up by the Oilers and come back to haunt us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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