Alflives Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Since when did Eriksson become an ideal bottom 6 player? Since he couldn’t play up to his contract? Baertschi and Eriksson are basically in the same boat. Both need good offensive players to play with to produce. Eriksson will do nothing on the third and fourth line, we’ve seen it. The only edge for Loui is that he plays on the pk. Him playing there proves that pretty much any player can play pk. It’s not like he’s a fast skater or wins puck battles. He simply clears the puck when he gets the chance. Is that really worth a roster spot? It’s eorth a roster spot if the owner already paid Loui five of his six million for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Keep Leivo and Baer; cut Loui. Like it or not Loui’s defensive and PK skills trump the 30 or so games Baertschi will play at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Alflives said: Guys, no matter which line, should be able to score. Baer would do really well in our bottom six. Plus, ?Baer is a better player than ?Schaller, Loui, and Motte. He’d be a better penalty killer than those three too. The days of having a traditional top 6/bottom 6 are over. Every line needs an element of speed, skill, snarl, and scoring. Separating skill guys and grinders into top and bottom parts of the roster is not a good strategy. They should be mixed throughout the lineup. That’s how good playoff teams score when the matchups get tough. Maybe that’s why we’re one of the lowest scoring teams in the league. Once teams figure out how to shut down the top two lines we’re toast. Edited October 1, 2019 by DeNiro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Since when did Eriksson become an ideal bottom 6 player? Since he couldn’t play up to his contract? Baertschi and Eriksson are basically in the same boat. Both need good offensive players to play with to produce. Eriksson will do nothing on the third and fourth line, we’ve seen it. The only edge for Loui is that he plays on the pk. Him playing there proves that pretty much any player can play pk. It’s not like he’s a fast skater or wins puck battles. He simply clears the puck when he gets the chance. Is that really worth a roster spot? Since he has always been very defensively responsible and a solid PKer. Is it ideal absolutely not, but it is an element Baertschi lacks that Eriksson does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Since when did Eriksson become an ideal bottom 6 player? Since he couldn’t play up to his contract? Baertschi and Eriksson are basically in the same boat. Both need good offensive players to play with to produce. Eriksson will do nothing on the third and fourth line, we’ve seen it. The only edge for Loui is that he plays on the pk. Him playing there proves that pretty much any player can play pk. It’s not like he’s a fast skater or wins puck battles. He simply clears the puck when he gets the chance. Is that really worth a roster spot? Except Sven had 6x more hits than LE in a third of the games. Also, Sven is more than capable of playing a PK role in my opinion...which seems to be the only thing LE fanboys bring up about him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, DeNiro said: The days of having a traditional top 6/bottom 6 are over. Every line needs an element of speed, skill, snarl, and scoring. Separating skill guys and grinders into top and bottom let’s of the roster is not a good strategy. They should be mixed throughout the lineup. That’s how good playoff teams score when the matchups get tough. Maybe that’s why we’re one of the lowest scoring teams in the league. Once teams figure out how to shut down the top two lines we’re toast. Ergo Leivo 14g>>>Baertshchi 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: The days of having a traditional top 6/bottom 6 are over. Every line needs an element of speed, skill, snarl, and scoring. Separating skill guys and grinders into top and bottom let’s of the roster is not a good strategy. They should be mixed throughout the lineup. That’s how good playoff teams score when the matchups get tough. Maybe that’s why we’re one of the lowest scoring teams in the league. Once teams figure out how to shut down the top two lines we’re toast. That's why those teams who do that make the playoffs we are a basement team with 0 backbone to stand up for one another 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Canuckster86 said: Except Sven had 6x more hits than LE in a third of the games. Also, Sven is more than capable of playing a PK role in my opinion...which seems to be the only thing LE fanboys bring up about him You can point out the positives of a player without being a “fanboy” I want Eriksson gone as much as the next person, until then he brings an element of the game Baertschi lacks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Since when did Eriksson become an ideal bottom 6 player? Since he couldn’t play up to his contract? Baertschi and Eriksson are basically in the same boat. Both need good offensive players to play with to produce. Eriksson will do nothing on the third and fourth line, we’ve seen it. The only edge for Loui is that he plays on the pk. Him playing there proves that pretty much any player can play pk. It’s not like he’s a fast skater or wins puck battles. He simply clears the puck when he gets the chance. Is that really worth a roster spot? Its a pecking order and yes LE is not too much farther up it then Baert. You said it, he plays on the PK and is therefore useful to the team with what personnel we have. There is a few bubble players on the team still and LE is definitely one of them. When a different option comes available, I am sure he is gone as well. We all know we have more depth and Baert is just a casual of the process. Hutton and Pouliot suffered the same fate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: How is a smaller, softer, oft injured player a better fit? Leivo can block shots, is defensively responsible and out produced Baertschi’s actual production. And Alf the top 6 is full so Leivo/Baertschi will be playing on the third line, where Leivo objectively speaking is the better fit. Period. I just said how it's a better fit. Leivo can't score at the rate Baertschi can. Baertschi makes the team more offensively dynamic. His presence on the 3rd line means that line is more productive, which means opposing teams will either be forced to play their 3rd pairing guys against a legitimate offensive force in Baertschi, or they'll have to spread out their D, leaving our top six more opportunity. Also, lost in all this is the fact that Baertschi is likely going to be syphening top 6 ice time from other players in Utica. Edited October 1, 2019 by 48MPHSlapShot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: Since he has always been very defensively responsible and a solid PKer. Is it ideal absolutely not, but it is an element Baertschi lacks that Eriksson does not. Defensively responsible does not equal the goals we need. Is Eriksson going to score alongside Sutter or Beagle? Not likely. If Baertschi is so weak defensively, pair him with a strong defensive player. That’s how you balance lines. I guarantee Baertschi does more to drive offence on a line than Eriksson will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Like it or not Loui’s defensive and PK skills trump the 30 or so games Baertschi will play at this point. If Green believed Loui’s defensive prowess and PK was so good, why is he sitting Loui in the press box first game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, 48MPHSlapShot said: I just said how it's a better fit. Leivo can't score at the rate Baertschi can. Baertschi makes the team more offensively dynamic. His presence on the 3rd line means that line is more productive, which means opposing teams will either be forced to play their 3rd pairing guys against a legitimate offensive force in Baertschi, or they'll have to spread out their D, leaving our top six more opportunity. Baertschi can't play a full season so hos scoring rate is irrelevant at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, canuck73_3 said: You can point out the positives of a player without being a “fanboy” I want Eriksson gone as much as the next person, until then he brings an element of the game Baertschi lacks. Was Sven given a chance this season to Re-Define a new role as a 3rd line winger who could play the pk and step in to a 2nd line or 2nd pp unit role when things go stale? No he was just waived to keep a very boring 1 dimensional 6m player in LE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Alflives said: If Green believed Loui’s defensive prowess and PK was so good, why is he sitting Loui in the press box first game? Because he is defensively stronger than Baertschi but offensively weaker than Leivo who is a better overall player at this point than Baertschi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Canuckster86 said: Was Sven given a chance this season to Re-Define a new role as a 3rd line winger who could play the pk and step in to a 2nd line or 2nd pp unit role when things go stale? No he was just waived to keep a very boring 1 dimensional 6m player in LE He was given preseason just like everyone else and was deemed expendable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: Baertschi can't play a full season so hos scoring rate is irrelevant at this point. Brock hasn't proven to play a full year either...only 2 years but still. Tanev has never done that, he continually gets injured or has bad luck and gets hurt blocking shots etc. Sutter hasn't been healthy since becoming a Canuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Alflives said: If Green believed Loui’s defensive prowess and PK was so good, why is he sitting Loui in the press box first game? Bingo. Its BS reasoning. Eriksson brings nothing to the roster that the players being dressed can’t. If Baertschi clears I guarantee he’ll be back as soon as this team fails to get depth scoring. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, canuck73_3 said: He was given preseason just like everyone else and was deemed expendable. Because 4or 5 games is a fair shake to redefine your role in the NHL. If so, LE has had 3 &^@#ing years to be an effective bottom 6 F yet he still just flat out sucks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, lmm said: who amoung us is it you see parroting the suspected media and which media are being parroted? I hear this complaint a lot, but cannot make the connection Who parrots who? Same as the Corrado Catastrophe, "asset management" was an endless chant, both on here and in the usual-suspect media. Countless examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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