coastal.view Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 i don't get the upset here when better talent is acquired the assistant coaches appear to be more competent can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear yet people cannot get over the lack of talent on the back line and wish to pin that on baum's structure? makes little sense to me there are few complaints about the d this year, yet it is playing way way better the pp is also rounding into form same problem last season transitioning from sedins to new players now with young talent in place i think in time they will all be more consistent isn't the talent issue the obvious difference look at the tail end of last season and this season so far o/t 3 -3 we have one unit that is superstar and it comprises all of our youngest players how many think those performances are more coached or more talent? fire green i say because our other 3 on 3 units simply are not as well coached? cuz coaching is always the problem? talent trumps everything including coaching we now have talent the coaching does not handicap it despite someone saying green is crippling ep40 that is nonsense and let's also look at one other factor green and baum are a tandem for many seasons now that has some value as well 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 26 minutes ago, CoolCanucklehead said: How do you get any better than I. Clark? Our goaltending is tops in the league... You don't. Clark is amazing. Extend him for 20+ years My beef is with Brown and Baumer. I've been frustrated with those two for years and feel like the Canucks could do better. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 35 minutes ago, luckylager said: All great points. Do they struggle on the PP? Would our PK be successful without Suttyballs and Beags? Let's not forget how painful our breakouts were prior to landing Myers and having Hughes on the roster. That structure was / is awful and gets routed if the dman exiting our zone isn't a strong skater. One option for an outlet pass sucks But whatever, we're winning right now, so sign them for 10yrs because of early season success. Was the structure awful or did they just not have players good enough to execute the systems? Name a team with good stats that doesn't have good players executing the coaches systems? They go hand in hand, they're not mutually exclusive Isnt the pp top 10 (11) in the league right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Only coach that really matters is Clarke, so glad to hear the owner (and JB) extended him. The other coaches are interchangeable parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, stawns said: Was the structure awful or did they just not have players good enough to execute the systems? Name a team with good stats that doesn't have good players executing the coaches systems? They go hand in hand, they're not mutually exclusive Isnt the pp top 10 (11) in the league right now? Our PP is trash against good teams. Check the record. I gave up on Brown when Thomas Vanek had to draw up the PP for him to get it working. I may be holding onto some resentment towards Baumer, but I feel like he doesn't give our D enough support to clear the zone easily. Seems like it's one outlet option or skate it out. Not really ideal IMO. Also, it's up to the coach to implement a system that works with the players he has. Baumer hasn't done that until last month. Edited November 6, 2019 by luckylager 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, luckylager said: Our PP is trash against good teams. Check the record. I gave up on Brown when Thomas Vanek had to draw up the PP for him to get it working. I may be holding onto some resentment towards Baumer, but I feel like he doesn't give our D enough support to clear the zone easily. Seems like it's one outlet option or skate it out. Not really ideal IMO. Like I just posted, the only coach that is not replaceable is Clarke. The rest are spare parts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, luckylager said: Our PP is trash against good teams. Check the record. I gave up on Brown when Thomas Vanek had to draw up the PP for him to get it working. I may be holding onto some resentment towards Baumer, but I feel like he doesn't give our D enough support to clear the zone easily. Seems like it's one outlet option or skate it out. Not really ideal IMO. Also, it's up to the coach to implement a system that works with the players he has. Baumer hasn't done that until last month. Good teams have good pk's. Other teams pp's are trash against the Canucks. The facts are that the best pp's fail 2 out of 3 times. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, stawns said: Good teams have good pk's. Other teams pp's are trash against the Canucks. The facts are that the best pp's fail 2 out of 3 times. Truth. Let's bury it. I don't like Brown and Baumer, you do. I would have waited until the post season to re-up on them. No biggie. I'll like those two a lot more if we have a winning season and play at least 6 post season games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, luckylager said: Truth. Let's bury it. I don't like Brown and Baumer, you do. I would have waited until the post season to re-up on them. No biggie. I'll like those two a lot more if we have a winning season and play at least 6 post season games I actually am not a big fan of Browm, and I'm ambivilent on Baumer. I just don't like this trend that when things go wrong it's always the coach and not the players. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, stawns said: I actually am not a big fan of Browm, and I'm ambivilent on Baumer. I just don't like this trend that when things go wrong it's always the coach and not the players. I get that. It's pretty obvious the entire roster has bought in this year. Even Eriksson has been showing a level of hustle he hadn't bothered to give the team until spending a long stretch in the press box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Canucks Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Most excited to have Clark locked up but good organizations have stability Absolutely man. Ian Clarke is our goaltending. Amazing coach to have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 hours ago, luckylager said: Brash, I think the PCS might be talking for you here. You're missing the point of a public forum, ie. It's sole purpose isn't a fluff job for management. I've read the painfully tired commentary before- "they're pros, you're not, so deal with it blah blah, if only I could give Trav a back rub" Can you point to one thing about Baumer's coaching which is truly impressive, or above average? Same for Newell. I guess the Canucks were ok to settle on those two for another "term", hopefully one year, because I just don't see them as the guys that coach is to the next level. I'd also love to be proven wrong. I'd say most people posting on this forum don't even know exactly what it is they do. At least not the depth that we imagine we know the job of a head coach or GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 4 hours ago, rychicken said: Newell Brown drop-passed his paperwork into the backseat of his car.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fecklund Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 FECK YA !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 30 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said: I'd say most people posting on this forum don't even know exactly what it is they do. At least not the depth that we imagine we know the job of a head coach or GM Good point. Aside from establishing D structure, deployment and "system", I have no idea what Baumer does. I also don't know what Newell does outside of the PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, luckylager said: Good point. Aside from establishing D structure, deployment and "system", I have no idea what Baumer does. I also don't know what Newell does outside of the PP. I don’t know about Baumer, but Newell is Green’s food taster. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fecklund Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 hours ago, stawns said: Was the structure awful or did they just not have players good enough to execute the systems? Name a team with good stats that doesn't have good players executing the coaches systems? They go hand in hand, they're not mutually exclusive Isnt the pp top 10 (11) in the league right now? For the record, after 15 games: 6th in overall points 5th in winning percentage 6th in goals for 4th in goals against PP is 11th PK is 3rd 7th in shots per game 3rd in goal differential Demko is 2nd in the League among goalies with 5+ games. Marky is 20th (bad game vs Washington skews) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fecklund Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 35 minutes ago, Alflives said: I don’t know about Baumer, but Newell is Green’s food taster. Has Shorty given him a squirt yet? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolboarder Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Tre Mac said: Plus doesn't every other team do the drop pass at some point on the PP? Not all teams employs a drop pass zone entry strategy on PP. I feel that it is a waste of time if this strategy fails and turnover and waste even more time and doesn't have much time left to set up. Win the board battles and set up is better due to effective stop on the drop pass zone entry nowadays. You see much lower percent for PP conversion on most teams is because of time wasting for a zone entry than 10-15 years ago. The bad team with bad PP was able to score at 15% 10-15 years ago and now, you see them getting 9% which is not good. This is a cause of a drop pass zone entry which wastes about 5 to 10 seconds waiting for forwards to come to the own end zone then 5 seconds just to drop pass, 15-20 seconds wasted. It worked the first time Canucks did that because it was new strategy and PK teams was not able to figure it out how to stop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Newell Brown owes his extension to Hughes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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