[Proposal]A plan to move Eriksson, while keeping all of Toffoli, Markstrom, Tanev, Virtanen, Motte, Stecher, and Gaudette

[Patel Bure]

32 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

To be honest a line of Miller  Horvat  Podkolzin seems quite enticing.  Would be a nightmare to play against in the playoffs.  You keep Petey together with Pearson and Toffoli and that would make up your top 6 and also clear cap space to sign our UFA's.  And we'd get a pretty good player/prospect for Brock. 

 

If the right package comes along I'd definitely consider moving Brock...

 

Miller-Horvat-Podkolzin

Pearson-Pettersson-Toffoli

Roussel-Gaudette-Virtanen

Motte-Beagle-MacEwen

 

Sutter or Lind

 

Hughes-Myers

Edler-Stecher

Juolevi-Tanev

 

Rafferty

 

Markstrom

Demko

 

I think the above line-up would land the Canucks a similar result to this year with a possible slight regression.   I think the above team sneaks into the playoffs however.   The question then becomes about how we can shed salary to afford the contracts of Petey and Hughes for the following season.

 

-Rafferty replaces Stecher (trade Stecher for a pick)

-Lind replaces Virtanen (trade Virtanen for a pick).

-Hoglander replaces Roussel (trade Roussel at 50%)

-Someone from within the system replaces Beagle (trade Beagle at 50% retention)

-Sutter off the books

-A returning Tryamkin replaces Edler

-One or both of our 2020 1st or the good prospect from the Boeser deal starts to factor into the line-up

 

2021-2022:

 

Miller-Horvat-Podkolzin

Pearson-Pettersson-Toffoli

Hoglander-Gaudette-Lind

Motte-####-MacEwen

 

Hughes-Myers

Juolevi-Tanev

Tryamkin-Rafferty

 

Markstrom

Demko or Dipietro (Demko deal at Expansion draft).

[Patel Bure]

1 hour ago, WCE said:

To Sens Boeser 

To Van NYI 1st & 2nd rd 2020 

 

To Devils Eriksson, Benn, rights to Virtanen & 2nd rd 2021

To Van  Van 1st rd 2020 

 

To Det Sutter 

To Van 3rd rd 2020

 

This clears around 15 mil in cap space and gets us some good picks 

I like those NYI and Detroit suggestions (if we’re talking NYI, I’d see we could get Dobson), but I can’t see the Devils agreeing to that above deal.

[Elias Pettersson]

10 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said:

 

Miller-Horvat-Podkolzin

Pearson-Pettersson-Toffoli

Roussel-Gaudette-Virtanen

Motte-Beagle-MacEwen

 

Sutter or Lind

 

Hughes-Myers

Edler-Stecher

Juolevi-Tanev

 

Rafferty

 

Markstrom

Demko

 

I think the above line-up would land the Canucks a similar result to this year with a possible slight regression.   I think the above team sneaks into the playoffs however.   The question then becomes about how we can shed salary to afford the contracts of Petey and Hughes for the following season.

 

-Rafferty replaces Stecher (trade Stecher for a pick)

-Lind replaces Virtanen (trade Virtanen for a pick).

-Hoglander replaces Roussel (trade Roussel at 50%)

-Someone from within the system replaces Beagle (trade Beagle at 50% retention)

-Sutter off the books

-A returning Tryamkin replaces Edler

-One or both of our 2020 1st or the good prospect from the Boeser deal starts to factor into the line-up

 

2021-2022:

 

Miller-Horvat-Podkolzin

Pearson-Pettersson-Toffoli

Hoglander-Gaudette-Lind

Motte-####-MacEwen

 

Hughes-Myers

Juolevi-Tanev

Tryamkin-Rafferty

 

Markstrom

Demko or Dipietro (Demko deal at Expansion draft).

I don't see Rafferty as a long term solution.  Rathbone I think will be a very good player and should make the lineup either next year or the year after.  He could be Quinn light and run the second unit PP and you can pair him with Tryamkin.  Or you can try and get a good young right handed Dman in a trade for Brock and pair him with Rathbone.

 

We have alot of young players who should make the lineup over the next 2-3 years.  So guys like Boeser, Virtanen, Demko and Stecher could be replaced and traded for assets.  Podkolzin replaces Boeser, Lind replaces Virtanen, DiPietro replaces Demko and Woo replaces Stecher.  Benning has done such a great job at drafting that he can literally replace players he has drafted with other players he has drafted.  And the cycle continues.  That's why you always need to keep the pipeline going as you are always looking to improve the team and you need assets in order to do it.  Re-signing Toffoli is key as he would be playing with Petey which allows you to trade Brock to help improve the team at another position and also frees up cap space to sign your existing star players.

[mll]

3 hours ago, Robert Long said:

yeah I think it might be inevitable that Loui goes with a 1st. I'm holding out some hope tho that Detroit will take a package of Loui+Demko.

 

One exciting new wrinkle out of this playoff run is Petey looks really good between Pearson and Toffoli. So having that as a real possibility should help entice Toffoli to want to stay. 

That might not even be possible. LeBrun believes that teams could be making some really good players available for cap reasons.  So do teams really prefer Eriksson and a 1st vs the opportunity to maybe get a JT Miller equivalent?   The 1st only has value if the pick becomes an impact player and there's simply no guarantee plus it could take years to find out.

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by mll

[Patel Bure]

If the Canucks kept Boeser and tried to stack the deck for 2021-2022:  
 

2021-2022 roster:

Miller-Horvat-Boeser 

Pearson-Pettersson-Toffoli

Hoglander-Gaudette-Podkolzin

Motte-####-MacEwen

 

Lind

 

Hughes-#####
Edler-Myers

Juolevi-Tanev

 

Rafferty

 

Markstrom

###### (Dipietro, Demko, or CheapVetBackup)

 

2020 off-season:

-walk away from Leivo

-unqualify Stecher

-LTIR Ferland

-Baertschi traded with 50% retention 

Virtanen + ??? For a 2020 1st

-Eriksson traded with the 2021 1st as the sweetener aka the Patrick Marleau to Carolina deal.

 

2020-2021 roster:

 

Miller-Horvat-Boeser

Pearson-Pettersson-Toffoli

Roussel-Gaudette-Sutter (replaced by Podkolzin in April)

Motte-Beagle-MacEwen

 

Lind (Sutter)

 

Hughes-Myers

Edler-Tanev

Juolevi-Benn

 

Rafferty

 

2021 off season:

 

-Beagle moved at 50% retention

-Roussel moved at 50% retention

-Sutter departure

 

 

I think that’s what it will boil down to:

 

The Canucks will do whatever they can to get Eriksson off the books even if it means using the 2021 1st as a sweetener a la The Patrick Marleau deal.   In order to do this however, Benning will do whatever he can to get a 1st for the 2020 draft so as to avoid going two drafts straight where he goes without a first.  
 

Before I created this thread, I assumed that if Benning can’t move Virtanen for a first, he’ll go with Boeser.   Now, I am of the opinion that instead of using Boeser to get that first, Benning will simply add something small to Virtanen in order to get a 2020 1st.  
 

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by DarkIndianRises

[73 Percent]

Hmm I like gaudette but I think hea a very movable piece imo. I thought he handled his own in the regular season but hes been awful in the playoffs imo. He missed that 2 on 1 last game. Cant win a faceoff to save his life and doesnt play the physical game well. 

 

Hes a good player and still has room to grow but I'd rather move him for something we need like cap space.  Or a defenseman of equal value.

[Silky mitts]

12 hours ago, DarkIndianRises said:

I’m also of the belief that Benning will try to do the following:

 

1) Move Virtanen at the draft for a 1st rounder 

 

2) Try and use sweeteners other than a 2021 1st rounder to move Eriksson.

 

In both cases however, I think Benning will realize that there are no biters which will force his hand.

 

I’m also of the opinion that Benning wants to keep ALL of Markstrom, Tanev, and Toffoli.   Benning won’t let Toffoli walk away so easily in my opinion due to the package that he gave up (Madden, etc.) and so losing Toffoli so soon would be a loss of assets.   

Good luck with that

[Patel Bure]

35 minutes ago, Silky mitts said:

Good luck with that

Might have to move Virtanen+ for a 2020 1st (which is what I think Benning will attempt to do before entertaining any thoughts about moving Boeser).    Maybe it ends up being Virtanen + Demko for a 1st + cheap vet back up, who knows.

 

ps - Kapanen from the Leafs landed a 2020 1st and so perhaps that can be used as an appropriate comparable?  Kapanen had 13 goals and 36 points in 69 games while Virtanen has 18 goals and 36 points in 69 games.    Kapanen has a 3.2 million cap hit for the next few seasons, and Virtanen, RFA, can probably be re-signed by his new team for a similar cap hit.     

Edited September 1, 2020 by DarkIndianRises

[JM_]

10 hours ago, mll said:

That might not even be possible. LeBrun believes that teams could be making some really good players available for cap reasons.  So do teams really prefer Eriksson and a 1st vs the opportunity to maybe get a JT Miller equivalent?   The 1st only has value if the pick becomes an impact player and there's simply no guarantee plus it could take years to find out.

 

I think there are enough rebuilding teams that a 1st is still attractive. But for sure its a weird year, I think we'll see a lot of strange moves this offseason. 

[Lazurus]

All draft picks are like gold now especially with a flat cap for the next 2 to 3 years.

 

I have enjoyed watching this group of players, once into the playoffs I thought they might make a bit of a dent.

 

But with cap restrictions there is no way to keep them all or even replace some that will or may have to go to keep this team moving forward.

 

The team has to think about the age of the players and the type of players they are, bangers can fade fast.

The team HAS to keep away from guaranteed clause contracts.

 

While Markstrom has been good for the team, Demko has to get a shot to be the guy and save an expansion spot, the team saves  over 3 mil just there

Yes trading Brock is an option but it should be for more than just a 1rst, trading him also saves several million dollars in 3 years, his next deal is in the 8 mil a season going by his current contract structure.

 

The team might be able to move a couple of players using retention but there is a limit to that as well.

 

Time will tell over the next few weeks

 

But I still find it really odd that Benning has not signed one single player this season, other than CBA rookie contracts, not one and nobody knew about covid back in January so that is not an excuse.

 

BTW this is still a rebuilding team, they still have too many older vets that are declining and paid too much and not enough prospects good enough to push even those guys out. For all that Eriksson is paid way too much he is just as effective as Gaudette or MacEwen in results.

 

They can't even sign the players they have with no raises and they are still way over the cap, they will have, maybe, 79 mil for the next two years and that is with having to pay Hughes and Pettersson, the year after Horvat and Boeser, and there are not enough good prospects yet.

 

I think Benning is a lame duck GM now. Poke him with a fork

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by Lazurus

[UKNuck96]

I expect rafferty will also be up on the trade block as part of some of the deals, especially as a makeweight.

 

Rathbone I expect to be competing for a spot come next season (whenever that is) 

[Lazurus]

On 9/1/2020 at 2:23 AM, DarkIndianRises said:

I don’t think the Canucks will risk not having BOTH a 2020 1st and a 2021 1st.     Even if a team is leaving the rebuilding phase and moving towards a competitive phase, you have to keep the pipeline rolling.   A failure to do so is how you fall off a cliff like the 2013-2014 Canucks did a.k.a. The Gillis era).  
 

Having a healthy pipeline of picks and prospects is one reason why teams like Detroit and San Jose remained a competitive playoff team for as long as they did.  

Really curious, what makes you think they are leaving the rebuilding stage?

The Gillis era saw a number of 25 to 30 1rst rounders, the only 2 top ten's, his first year and regardless of the disease Hodgson had, he was a superior pick, the other he traded for and hit a grand slam, 2 for 2 in top ten picks,

But I agree the team needs to trade aging vets for top picks before they lose too much value or get too expensive.

 

BTW ALL top teams fall off a cliff when they are drafting in the late 20's, Detroit, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Tampa's time is coming, Detroit traded over half their 1rst's away, SJ is stuck in the middle of the road and just traded away their first(s) as well.

 

Some of the ideas assume that other teams covet some of the players and that all players want to stay in their current rolls or even on the team, SB was waived 3 times and his agent told to shop him, no takers.

Eriksson might be trade-able after next season to a team needing to get to the cap floor, but that isn't probable now with the frozen cap

 

 

 

[Patel Bure]

53 minutes ago, Lazurus said:

Really curious, what makes you think they are leaving the rebuilding stage?

The Gillis era saw a number of 25 to 30 1rst rounders, the only 2 top ten's, his first year and regardless of the disease Hodgson had, he was a superior pick, the other he traded for and hit a grand slam, 2 for 2 in top ten picks,

But I agree the team needs to trade aging vets for top picks before they lose too much value or get too expensive.

 

BTW ALL top teams fall off a cliff when they are drafting in the late 20's, Detroit, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Tampa's time is coming, Detroit traded over half their 1rst's away, SJ is stuck in the middle of the road and just traded away their first(s) as well.

 

Some of the ideas assume that other teams covet some of the players and that all players want to stay in their current rolls or even on the team, SB was waived 3 times and his agent told to shop him, no takers.

Eriksson might be trade-able after next season to a team needing to get to the cap floor, but that isn't probable now with the frozen cap

 

 

 

The fact that we got to the 2nd round 7th game should be enough evidence to suggest that we’ve left the rebuild stage (or are close to it).     The point remains though - even when you’re in compete now mode, you have to keep filling the pipeline.    When I wrote the above post, it was under the assumption that the only way moving Eriksson was to use a 2021 1st rounder as a sweetener (although Demko’s recent performance has probably changed this).   
 

I just personally think it would be too risky for the Canucks, or any team for that matter, to go two years in a row without drafting a 1st.   Hence, why I believe that if the Canucks were going to use a 2021 1st to get rid of Eriksson (the Marleau to Carolina deal), then they’d likely try and get in on this year’s 1st round.

Edited September 5, 2020 by DarkIndianRises

[Lazurus]

52 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said:

The fact that we got to the 2nd round 7th game should be enough evidence to suggest that we’ve left the rebuild stage (or are close to it).     The point remains though - even when you’re in compete now mode, you have to keep filling the pipeline.    When I wrote the above post, it was under the assumption that the only way moving Eriksson was to use a 2021 1st rounder as a sweetener (although Demko’s recent performance has probably changed this).   
 

I just personally think it would have been too risky for the Canucks, or any team for that matter, to go two years in a row without drafting a 1st.   Hence, why I believe that if the Canucks were going to use a 2021 1st to get rid of Eriksson (the Marleau to Carolina deal), then they’d likely try and get in on this year’s 1st round.

Sorry, it was really fun to watch and the boys exceeded expectations but this season was an anomaly. They did great vs StL but essentially that was a one off, vs Vegas they were very exposed

Too many vets that even though they gave it their all, they just weren't difference makers, the team needs probably 4 more forward upgrades and 3 defensive improvements

At forward Podkolzin and Holander may take a couple of spots, one at a pure skill level and the other a Miller/Stone type player.

Tryamkin's size alone makes a big step up, sorry for the pun, he plays left or right sides, blocks the most shots on his KHL team and changed his game last year to concentrate on defence first, his cap hit will also big a big help over the next 6 years. When a rookie here and basically ignored by the coach, he was used as PK specialist and matched up against the other team's top lines. So he is one the team already has.

Woo, Rathbone or another dman could also step in as a another upgrade and cap saver. Juloevi's has been set, he was not as good as any of the guys that played , and they were not good enough.

Just eat Eriksson's contract for another season and then make a deal at the end of the next season and after FA season starts when his bonus is plaid the might be traded with retention, so no need to trade away the future.

 

No matter how, NHL roster spots have to be opened up and cap space needed to make deals at next years TDL. Load up with picks for the next two drafts. Next year and it will be a short season, will be a very small step backwards for one season.

Edited September 5, 2020 by Lazurus