Coronavirus outbreak

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

CAn we get stats on how many of these hospital cases and deaths were because of Covid?  it’s kind of misleading to just list cases of people who tested positive for Covid but that’s not why they were in hospital or passed away.  We are trying to be accurate in what we are reporting and (without being specific about these numbers) we are way too vague. 

[StanleyCupOneDay]

59 minutes ago, Alflives said:

CAn we get stats on how many of these hospital cases and deaths were because of Covid?  it’s kind of misleading to just list cases of people who tested positive for Covid but that’s not why they were in hospital or passed away.  We are trying to be accurate in what we are reporting and (without being specific about these numbers) we are way too vague. 

That’s unfortunately impossible for many reasons. Every person is different, their health problems are unique. There’s no actual keeping track of cases anymore. It’s not possible to do autopsies on every person who dies to find a cause of death because they’re expensive and mostly need to be reserved for any criminal acts or suspicious deaths. 
 

Cause of death itself is tricky to determine. If someone had heart problems and got a blocked valve which they died from is it the heart problems or COVID that caused them to die? Debatable. Would they have died without catching COVID? Debatable. Then there’s those who don’t know they have COVID and die. Not every body is tested for the disease. Or those coroners who lie and say someone died from the flu in order to comfort their living family members.
 

That’s just some of the difficulties in documenting COVID, there are many more. This topic is exclusively in a grey area. So instead of spending the thousands of hours and millions of dollars it would take into figuring out exactly how each person died, if someone gets COVID and dies afterwards they tend to just categorize it as a COVID death. That money and man hours instead goes towards helping the living. We will never ever get a completely accurate number.
 

There’s no real answer to accurately track deaths from a disease effecting different people different ways who have different health issues.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, StanleyCupOneDay said:

That’s unfortunately impossible for many reasons. Every person is different, their health problems are unique. There’s no actual keeping track of cases anymore. It’s not possible to do autopsies on every person who dies to find a cause of death because they’re expensive and mostly need to be reserved for any criminal acts or suspicious deaths. 
 

Cause of death itself is tricky to determine. If someone had heart problems and got a blocked valve which they died from is it the heart problems or COVID that caused them to die? Debatable. Would they have died without catching COVID? Debatable. Then there’s those who don’t know they have COVID and die. Not every body is tested for the disease. Or those coroners who lie and say someone died from the flu in order to comfort their living family members.
 

That’s just some of the difficulties in documenting COVID, there are many more. This topic is exclusively in a grey area. So instead of spending the thousands of hours and millions of dollars it would take into figuring out exactly how each person died, if someone gets COVID and dies afterwards they tend to just categorize it as a COVID death. That money and man hours instead goes towards helping the living. We will never ever get a completely accurate number.
 

There’s no real answer to accurately track deaths from a disease effecting different people different ways who have different health issues.

All true, but people die (or are in hospital) who have secondary illness and we don’t record their death as because if that secondary illness or they aren’t registered in hospital because of their secondary illness.  The government used to report more accurate figures.  How about reporting the number of idiots who are in hospital with Covid who aren’t vaccinated?  I’m thinking the people who are in hospital because of Covid are mostly not vaccinated.  And the people who are in hospital for other reason, but while their test positive for Covid (so they’re not sick) are vaccinated.  

[NickTheGreek]

11 minutes ago, Alflives said:

All true, but people die (or are in hospital) who have secondary illness and we don’t record their death as because if that secondary illness or they aren’t registered in hospital because of their secondary illness.  The government used to report more accurate figures.  How about reporting the number of idiots who are in hospital with Covid who aren’t vaccinated?  I’m thinking the people who are in hospital because of Covid are mostly not vaccinated.  And the people who are in hospital for other reason, but while their test positive for Covid (so they’re not sick) are vaccinated.  

Well, we all know the fear mongering still exists.

 

Moving on from this silliness has been a long time coming

[StanleyCupOneDay]

3 minutes ago, NickTheGreek said:

Well, we all know the fear mongering still exists.

 

Moving on from this silliness has been a long time coming

There’s nothing silly about a disease taking lives and causing families and friends pain. It has real effects on real people.

[StanleyCupOneDay]

16 minutes ago, Alflives said:

All true, but people die (or are in hospital) who have secondary illness and we don’t record their death as because if that secondary illness or they aren’t registered in hospital because of their secondary illness.  The government used to report more accurate figures.  How about reporting the number of idiots who are in hospital with Covid who aren’t vaccinated?  I’m thinking the people who are in hospital because of Covid are mostly not vaccinated.  And the people who are in hospital for other reason, but while their test positive for Covid (so they’re not sick) are vaccinated.  

Well that’s exactly my point. The amount of time it would take to accurately assess every persons unique health problems and determine their cause of death isn’t worth doing. There’s limited hours and dollars. I think most would agree we want those spent on saving the lives of the still living. During times of crisis priorities must be determined and followed. That’s the sole objective: what actions can be taken to save as many people as possible.

 

Reporting also takes man hours, lots of them. Do we want them to spend time reporting on who is and isn’t vaccinated or do we want them to spend time on actually trying to help fight the disease? Again this isn’t normal, this is a first in a century that we are living through right now. If everything was pre-COVID the rules and norms would be followed, but we just can’t afford to do that right now.

 

I did hear something very exciting that may end the disease for good though, from a research study in mice. To dumb it down so to speak, the COVID virus needs to have its spike protein to stick to the human receptor in a cell called ACE2 . That’s how it attacks the body. Once attached the spike protein breaks apart into 2 pieces losing the part that can attach to another receptor.
 

Researchers have created a fake ACE2 that  they tested, which tricks the virus into attaching to it, leaving the actual animal cells unharmed and replicates the process of the actual disease, making it lose the part that can attach to another cell. Unlike the antibodies and vaccines currently being used against COVID this trial showed the ACE2 decoy was extremely effective against every single strain of COVID. No efficacy was lost like it had with omicron and such, in fact it gained potency.
 

Clinical human trials are up next, but if this can be replicated then it doesn’t matter how many mutations the disease does, without the ability to attach to the actual human ACE2 receptor COVID has no way to attack the body and we can permanently end the disease. Here’s the full article and study for those interested.

 

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abq6527

[Canuck You]

GF went to a work Xmas party and now she's sick with Covid....Should I kick her out of the house?

 

JK, I told her dad that I will treat her good, Therefor I will be smoking cigars and drinking whiskey in the man cave while she recovers...and maybe get her some soup.

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[UnkNuk]

One can always hope:

 

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/ubc-researchers-compound-coronavirus?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VANSUN_Prov Covid Newsletter 2022-12-16&utm_term=SUNPROV_COVID19_Newsletter

 

UBC researchers discover compound that could halt colds, COVID

 

The discovery will likely lead to an antiviral drug that treats a broad range of viruses, including the one that causes the common cold.

[Playoff Beered]

Anyone want to argue vaccines don't have an effect?

 

 

[thedestroyerofworlds]

15 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:

Anyone want to argue vaccines don't have an effect?

 

 

Or that the public health measures that were put in place early on were a godsend for our Healthcare system. 

[NickTheGreek]

2 hours ago, Playoff Beered said:

Anyone want to argue vaccines don't have an effect?

 

I'm taking this with a grain of salt.

 

Why should we believe anything coming out of China? I'm being serious here

 

2.5 years ago there were videos of people dying in the streets like this was the plague. This isn't the plague.

 

Call me skeptical

[Playoff Beered]

12 minutes ago, NickTheGreek said:

I'm taking this with a grain of salt.

 

Why should we believe anything coming out of China? I'm being serious here

 

2.5 years ago there were videos of people dying in the streets like this was the plague. This isn't the plague.

 

Call me skeptical

This is not from China, Eric Liang Feigl-Ding is an American public health scientist who is currently an epidemiologist and Chief of COVID Task Force at the

 

New England Complex Systems Institute. He was formerly a faculty member and researcher at Harvard Medical School and Harvard T.H. Chan School of

 

Public Health.

Edited December 19, 2022 by Playoff Beered

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Playoff Beered said:

This is not from China, Eric Liang Feigl-Ding is an American public health scientist who is currently an epidemiologist and Chief of COVID Task Force at the New England Complex

 

Systems Institute. He was formerly a faculty member and researcher at Harvard Medical School and Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

Did China only use their vaccine?  

[Playoff Beered]

Just now, Alflives said:

Did China only use their vaccine?  

Not entirely sure who used what, but I bet the higher ups used western ones.

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:

Not entirely sure who used what, but I bet the higher ups used western ones.

Thank heavens for the scientists who developed our super Covid vaccines.  We are very fortunate to live in Canada. 

[TheAce]

On 12/19/2022 at 2:02 PM, Playoff Beered said:

Anyone want to argue vaccines don't have an effect?

 

 

China has 90% of there population vaccinated with a vaccine that has been approved by the WHO. They also have had some of the strictest lock downs. In the last 2 weeks there have been 7 deaths due to covid. What this twitter post also decided not to mention is that there is no confirmation that the hospitals are getting full from covid patients nor are the crematoriums getting packed from covid death patients.

[Alflives]

Just now, TheAce said:

China has 90% of their population vaccinated with a vaccine that has been approved by the WHO. They also have had some of the strictest lock downs. In the last 2 weeks there have been 7 deaths due to covid. What this twitter post also decided not to mention is that there is no confirmation that the hospitals are getting full from covid patients nor are the crematoriums getting packed from covid death patients.

I’m thinking China is a lyer state. Their vaccine is crap and their people are mistreated.  Good people but bad leadership.  And a stupid system.  We all got free super vaccines. The Chinese people got crap and literally locked up.  Stupid government there.  Great Chinese people suffering with Covid because their government is evil. 

[Playoff Beered]

37 minutes ago, TheAce said:

China has 90% of there population vaccinated with a vaccine that has been approved by the WHO. They also have had some of the strictest lock downs. In the last 2 weeks there have been 7 deaths due to covid. What this twitter post also decided not to mention is that there is no confirmation that the hospitals are getting full from covid patients nor are the crematoriums getting packed from covid death patients.

Sure, you probably know better than a tenured professor from Harvard Medical school.

Edited December 21, 2022 by Playoff Beered

[Dazzle]

16 hours ago, TheAce said:

China has 90% of there population vaccinated with a vaccine that has been approved by the WHO. They also have had some of the strictest lock downs. In the last 2 weeks there have been 7 deaths due to covid. What this twitter post also decided not to mention is that there is no confirmation that the hospitals are getting full from covid patients nor are the crematoriums getting packed from covid death patients.

Oh really? If so, why did China need to do a full-on lockdown? For all the supposed 'tyranny' that this current government is accused of, we sure have it good here. Most of the people are vaccinated and our ability to return to our normal routines, relatively speaking, is a testament to our vaccines and/or health measures. China did the exact opposite of us, and actually had to lock themselves down several times more.

 

Come on man, it's not hard to put the pieces together on this. China is a poorly run country that has corrupt politicians making decisions that affect billions of their people.