Bertuzzipunch Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Canucks offer their 1st a 3rd this year and next years 1st to move up to number 2? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Two firsts is too expensive to move up in a crapshoot of a draft. We may get someone as good at 9th as at 2nd just because players haven't played/leagues haven't run this year 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Where's Wellwood said: Two firsts is too expensive to move up in a crapshoot of a draft. We may get someone as good at 9th as at 2nd just because players haven't played/leagues haven't run this year I think moving up to get the RHD that we’ve definitely needed for years is worth next years pick. Thats me tho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 No. There isn’t a player worth paying what it costs to move up 7 spots. Too much uncertainty in a year that players weren’t really scouted properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: No. There isn’t a player worth paying what it costs to move up 7 spots. Too much uncertainty in a year that players weren’t really scouted properly. Umm how about yes. You make it out like Brandt Clarke has only played hockey for half a season. He was always gonna be a high pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Umm how about yes. You make it out like Brandt Clarke has only played hockey for half a season. He was always gonna be a high pick. Again not worth the cost. Would create too many holes to fill one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 17 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Canucks offer their 1st a 3rd this year and next years 1st to move up to number 2? Not worth it unless you are absolutely sure that Beniers will be Matthews/Draisaitl/MacKinnon level. Drafts are often a crapshoot and so it’s generally not a good idea to create a package for one pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 3, 2021 Author Share Posted June 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, Patel Bure said: Not worth it unless you are absolutely sure that Beniers will be Matthews/Draisaitl/MacKinnon level. Drafts are often a crapshoot and so it’s generally not a good idea to create a package for one pick. Tell that to the NFL. Besides id use it for brandt clarke not beniers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Tell that to the NFL. Besides id use it for brandt clarke not beniers Fair enough but my opinion is similar to Deniro’s from above. Ps - If we were going to offer something like that however, I’d kick the tires of Detroit’s Moritz Seider (although I highly doubt that they’d move him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Terrible trade for us. Next year's draft is stronger. NFL draft picks are more developed and ready to contribute immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 I think of the possibilities of what you could acquire dangling TWO 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick out there.... Imagine putting a package together of: Schmidt 1st round pick (9th OA) in 2021 1st round pick in 2022 3rd round pick in 2021 That's probably close to acquiring Seth Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, HKSR said: I think of the possibilities of what you could acquire dangling TWO 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick out there.... Imagine putting a package together of: Schmidt 1st round pick (9th OA) in 2021 1st round pick in 2022 3rd round pick in 2021 That's probably close to acquiring Seth Jones. Jones is a new season rental. Yes, he’d be great to have, but there’s zero chance we pay that much for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Too high of a price IMO. I want the Canucks to land Clarke too - but there isn't enough separation in skill to trade the 9ao+ a 1st for him. Clarke isn't worth Willy Eklund + a 1st for example. Was shocked to see that the NHL.com writer is predicting that the Canucks will land Brandt 9th overall. I strongly doubt he's correct, but fingers crossed that he falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, HKSR said: I think of the possibilities of what you could acquire dangling TWO 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick out there.... Imagine putting a package together of: Schmidt 1st round pick (9th OA) in 2021 1st round pick in 2022 3rd round pick in 2021 That's probably close to acquiring Seth Jones. If that's what their ask is, i'd counter with this years first and LE plus one of OJ or Rathbone. Plus he has to sign with us too. Whatever Jones is getting, it won't be more then EK got from SJ ... less quite a bit less given the timing and that EK was just entering his prime D years. That said it wasn't a trade and sign at the time. We all know how EK trade worked out, for what could have just been a one year rental. A roster player in Teirney, their only decent prospect in Norris, a couple throw ins and and unprotected first that OTT timed well (2020). I'd do a trade for Seth Jones anyday if it made sense. To me the only one that makes sense is if terms for re-signing are included. We are not contending so no need for a rental like him. Pretty excited at first - more research into Seth Jones and i doubt he had much interest in signing with us unless the money is top dollar. Trump supporter lol. Maybe Bertuzzi can convince him to go and sign in Detroit. They can afford the assets and wow what a right side with Seider. Edited June 4, 2021 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 3 hours ago, IBatch said: If that's what their ask is, i'd counter with this years first and LE plus one of OJ or Rathbone. Plus he has to sign with us too. Whatever Jones is getting, it won't be more then EK got from SJ ... less quite a bit less given the timing and that EK was just entering his prime D years. That said it wasn't a trade and sign at the time. We all know how EK trade worked out, for what could have just been a one year rental. A roster player in Teirney, their only decent prospect in Norris, a couple throw ins and and unprotected first that OTT timed well (2020). I'd do a trade for Seth Jones anyday if it made sense. To me the only one that makes sense is if terms for re-signing are included. We are not contending so no need for a rental like him. Pretty excited at first - more research into Seth Jones and i doubt he had much interest in signing with us unless the money is top dollar. Trump supporter lol. Maybe Bertuzzi can convince him to go and sign in Detroit. They can afford the assets and wow what a right side with Seider. Uhh what? So you're basically saying: To VAN: Seth Jones To CBJ: Loui Eriksson OJ/Rathbone 1st ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, IBatch said: If that's what their ask is, i'd counter with this years first and LE plus one of OJ or Rathbone. Plus he has to sign with us too. Whatever Jones is getting, it won't be more then EK got from SJ ... less quite a bit less given the timing and that EK was just entering his prime D years. That said it wasn't a trade and sign at the time. We all know how EK trade worked out, for what could have just been a one year rental. A roster player in Teirney, their only decent prospect in Norris, a couple throw ins and and unprotected first that OTT timed well (2020). I'd do a trade for Seth Jones anyday if it made sense. To me the only one that makes sense is if terms for re-signing are included. We are not contending so no need for a rental like him. Pretty excited at first - more research into Seth Jones and i doubt he had much interest in signing with us unless the money is top dollar. Trump supporter lol. Maybe Bertuzzi can convince him to go and sign in Detroit. They can afford the assets and wow what a right side with Seider. Oh, btw... Here's the Karlsson deal: Traded from Ottawa Senators with Francis Perron to San Jose Sharks for Josh Norris, Rudolfs Balcers, Chris Tierney, Dylan DeMelo, round 2 pick in the 2019 draft (Jamieson Rees), conditional round 1 pick in the 2020 draft (Tim Stutzle), conditional round 2 pick in the 2021 draft and conditional round 1 pick in the 2022 draft So OTT got: Norris -- top tier prospect (1st round pick 19OA, 61pts in 56gms in AHL, strong showing in the WJC... he was much more than just a decent prospect) Balcers - ok a bit of a throw in Tierney -- just came off a 17 goal, 40pt performance (2nd line forward -- ie. Top 6) Demelo -- a solid Top 4 Dman, RHD as well which brings even more value 2nd Rounder TWO conditional 1st Rounders and one conditional 2nd Rounder Edited June 4, 2021 by HKSR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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