2021 Training Camp Thread

[CanucksJay]

17 hours ago, Gollumpus said:

Well, what is Rathbone's future with the Canucks?

 

Rathbone will be playing as the 3LD for the Canucks, and will be a redundant part. If he isn't (ie. he's playing higher in the line up), then Benning should be looking at trading Ekman-Larsson or Hughes.

 

If the team view him as an expendable asset, then showcasing Rathbone does make sense. The timing of such a trade is perhaps questionable. Rathbone hasn't really shown a lot of offensive result, and his defensive play has been suspect. What sort of return might the Canucks get at this point of his career?

 

Or, maybe the team was trying to get a feel of what the offense/defense of the team would be like with Hughes in the line up, without Hughes actually being in the lineup.

 

                                                  regards,  G.

I hope we don't give up on Rathbone. 

Hughes is here to stay and will eventually move up to D1/D2 relegating OEL to D3. 

At that point, Canucks can see where Rathbone is at and determine whether it's worth having a 7.3m D3 in OEL or to trade him for other team needs and put Rathbone as the puck moving D man on 2nd pairing. 

I see him as 7th or 8th D man this year once Hamonic returns. 

I feel safer going with Juolevi at 6D and Bowey at 7D and giving Rathbone tons of time in Abbotsford playing in all situations

 

 

 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[Devron]

Hmm wonder what this means for Joulevi. Either banged up or cut I guess

[SilentSam]

I think we’re looking good on Offence, lots of mix and matches,.  Our PP and Pk should be solid.

Looking forward to the return of Motte, I’ve always said that he is a catalyst for even strength through the 4 lines.

 

I think we,re still missing something on D,  if Oli J could be showing more potential, I’d say we’re ok, but..

its been a lot of  time spent with his player, and mediocrity is hard for him to skate away from.

 

Our Goalie depth is amazing actually.. I especially like Silovs.

Demko and Halak a great tandem.

.. and I think we have another euro prospect that is looking very well.

 

i wonder if Depietro is traceable to Montreal, with or without OJ. for Romanov.

the Habs might need the future depth.

Of course Bergevin might be to scared to make any moves this season.

Edited October 8, 2021 by SilentSam

[johngould21]

1 hour ago, J.I.A.H.N said:

I agree with you Jimmy

 

There is no doubt Chaisson is a NHL hockey player.............he quietly goes about his business.......I like him

I guess when you look at it objectively..........you have to ask, who will make more mistakes in a game?

Especially an playoff game, which has to be in Benning's mind......

 

Still, I hope we get a chance to reacquiring him

He kinda reminds me of, and I'm going back a long, long ways, Leon Rochefort. Good NHL'er, and knows how to stick in the league. I didn't see it earlier in camp, but watch his positioning in front of the net on the PP.

[wildwood12]

8 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

This is Wednesday practice lines??

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[EternalCanuckFan]

1 minute ago, Devron44 said:

Hmm wonder what this means for Joulevi. Either banged up or cut I guess

Cut seems likely at this point.  Even leaving aside the bag skate optics, Juolevi's skating issues are still a source of concern.  Juolevi legitimately has problems with pivoting, particularly in a rush situation.  It was seen last season and this pre-season.  He can still be provide some value in a depth role (e.g. PK specialist), but unfortunately for him, it looks like he has continued his drop in the depth chart.  If Juolevi is in fact cut, then hopefully he can regain confidence of management/coaching with his play in Abbotsford.

 

If anything is clear to me about what the Canucks are prioritizing on D, it's skating.  All of the depth guys are good to decent skaters.  Schenn is the lone exception, but even with him, his issue is more speed rather than being a poor skater.

 

Judging from the practice line-up, Bowey probably makes it over Burroughs as one of the spare D (and Canucks will probably carry 2 spare D like they usually do).  The Canucks gave a long look to Burroughs.

 

The overall forward line-up is intriguing and does showcase the improved depth of the forward group.  I'm guessing Boeser slots in with Pettersson and Garland when he's back which would bump Chiasson down to the 4th line?  Given cap considerations, maybe the Canucks will keep Podkolzin up and move him up and down the line-up.  Skating with Miller is a pretty plumb position, one that I think he can eventually do really well in once he's more comfortable (which seems to be the case with each game he plays).

 

I wonder how Sutter is doing or if they're expecting him to possibly miss a large chunk of the season?  If Sutter comes back then maybe we'll see Miller moved back on wing.

[johngould21]

14 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Wednesday or Friday???

[Rick Blight]

15 minutes ago, Devron44 said:

Hmm wonder what this means for Joulevi. Either banged up or cut I guess

I think the Canucks are trying to move him, perhaps in a package deal,. to bring back a RHD with some upside potential. If he is not hurt, his departure from the team seems to be imminent.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

14 minutes ago, wildwood12 said:

This is Wednesday practice lines??

 

8 minutes ago, johngould21 said:

Wednesday or Friday???

Typo; Friday.

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

14 minutes ago, wildwood12 said:

This is Wednesday practice lines??

Drance followed the tweet clarifying it’s Friday.

[stawns]

11 minutes ago, EternalCanuckFan said:

Cut seems likely at this point.  Even leaving aside the bag skate optics, Juolevi's skating issues are still a source of concern.  Juolevi legitimately has problems with pivoting, particularly in a rush situation.  It was seen last season and this pre-season.  He can still be provide some value in a depth role (e.g. PK specialist), but unfortunately for him, it looks like he has continued his drop in the depth chart.  If Juolevi is in fact cut, then hopefully he can regain confidence of management/coaching with his play in Abbotsford.

 

If anything is clear to me about what the Canucks are prioritizing on D, it's skating.  All of the depth guys are good to decent skaters.  Schenn is the lone exception, but even with him, his issue is more speed rather than being a poor skater.

 

Judging from the practice line-up, Bowey probably makes it over Burroughs as one of the spare D (and Canucks will probably carry 2 spare D like they usually do).  The Canucks gave a long look to Burroughs.

 

The overall forward line-up is intriguing and does showcase the improved depth of the forward group.  I'm guessing Boeser slots in with Pettersson and Garland when he's back which would bump Chiasson down to the 4th line?  Given cap considerations, maybe the Canucks will keep Podkolzin up and move him up and down the line-up.  Skating with Miller is a pretty plumb position, one that I think he can eventually do really well in once he's more comfortable (which seems to be the case with each game he plays).

 

I wonder how Sutter is doing or if they're expecting him to possibly miss a large chunk of the season?  If Sutter comes back then maybe we'll see Miller moved back on wing.

I haven't seen OJ get beat to the outside yet.  His skating needs work, but he's a much more well rounded dman that JR at the moment

[wildwood12]

Lockwood not practising? Didn’t make it?

[SilentSam]

6 minutes ago, Rick Blight said:

I think the Canucks are trying to move him, perhaps in a package deal,. to bring back a RHD with some upside potential. If he is not hurt, his departure from the team seems to be imminent.

I hope that’s Depietro and Joulevi for     Romanov mntl 

[johngould21]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

I haven't seen OJ get beat to the outside yet.  His skating needs work, but he's a much more well rounded dman that JR at the moment

I've seen OJ do some pretty subtle things defensively, but it is the NHL and his skating/turning isn't near JR's abilities. He looked solid on the PK the other night, but then again Rathbone looked better last night than in previous games. In his 5th in a row too, mind you. They both have that excellent up ice pass down to a tee, they rarely miss.

[Dazzle]

I'm not surprised that Green is showing his bias by putting in Rathbone.

 

I don't hate Rathbone but Rathbone left his assignment last game and let McDavid go through on the last goal.

 

And Green is totally okay with that. Meanwhile Juolevi is obviously being treated differently. No PP time and fewer minutes than Rathbone.

 

Jesus. You can't get out of Green's doghouse once you're in it, it seems.

 

I'm fully expecting that Green will have Juolevi traded.

[Dazzle]

5 minutes ago, johngould21 said:

I've seen OJ do some pretty subtle things defensively, but it is the NHL and his skating/turning isn't near JR's abilities. He looked solid on the PK the other night, but then again Rathbone looked better last night than in previous games. In his 5th in a row too, mind you. They both have that excellent up ice pass down to a tee, they rarely miss.

JR is exceptional with his skating. What seems to be blatantly overlooked is the defensive side of the game. It seems to me that he is given carte blanche to do whatever he pleases, even if it costs the team goals. We've seen giveaways in both ends of the ice and the McDavid goal right to the net was pretty blatant of a defensive lapse.

 

Rathbone can kill penalties, sure. But he in no way outperformed Juolevi here. Look no further than the amount of times the team has been shorthanded and look at the amount of time Juolevi has been trusted to do it. You can also see that in such situations, Juolevi is not given a single minute of PP time. And despite the heavy PK work of Juolevi, he has fewer minutes played compared to JR.

 

What we see is that Rathbone is being given preferential treatment over Juolevi. That's my observation and I know I'm not alone here.

 

 

Edited October 8, 2021 by Dazzle

[J-P]

1 hour ago, J.I.A.H.N said:

Just a thought on Podkolzin's training camp and exhibition games

 

I am excited to see the steady improvement in Podkolzin's game, as he gains confidence. One of the things that keeps reoccurring in my thoughts about Podkolzin, is that, in the last 3 years, he has never really had any stability on his coaching or line-mates, having been bounced around, the MHL, KHL, and World Juniors.

 

It must have been somewhat confusing understanding his role, and getting comfortable with his line-mates, to the point of knowing where they are at in certain area's of the ice. This comes practice and games, and working through plays when on the bench, it comes with years of play with the same team-mates. Top line players are afforded this luxury, where as 3 and 4th line players see more movement on the lines.

 

It will be very interesting to see Podkolzin's play 6 months from now.

Really good point. Instead of rushing Podz to top 6 i think it would be really good ro find him consistent linemates on the 3rd line. Later on in the season we can evaluate where he's at. This also plays in line with us icing 3 lines that can actually score.

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

9 minutes ago, wildwood12 said:

Lockwood not practising? Didn’t make it?

Based on previous years, it’s a fair bet this signals he’s Abby bound, unless they’ve seen enough to say he’s already made the NHL team, and just want to get a final look at the others.

 

I think the best possible NHL roster includes Lockwood, but it may come down to waiver risk, especially after Gadjovich getting claimed.