coryberg Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, Alflives said: Miller is one of the best players in the league the last couple years. Big, strong, mean, skilled, ppg, center or wing, PP, PK, great on and off pucks, and a leader. Maybe we should keep him? Keep him until he walks next summer? No thanks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, coryberg said: Keep him until he walks next summer? No thanks. He is under contract next summer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted March 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2022 5 hours ago, stawns said: You made a solid point last night about the team relying so much on one player.........that's a death sentence in the playoffs, for sire That's just it. Miller got neutralized. See how easy the caps handled the team for 2 straight periods? Without Demko that's a 5-2 loss. 4 hours ago, EddieVedder said: Ladd and Campbell were also great for that hawks team. They were stacked. Bang on. The Hawks, Pens teams had depth and studs from line one to 5-6 We have Miller, sometimes Pettersson and Demko. We're not there. 4 hours ago, HKSR said: Pettersson Hughes Demko Horvat Boeser Garland OEL How is it that we trade Miller and these guys are all gonna step up in a big way, but then you can argue that we take Miller away and we suck? Because a tweener NHLer, a young 19 or 20 year old prospect, and a 1st round pick are gonna make us a contender in a couple years? OK then. You're totally creating a narrative that I never suggested. You made claims about the Hawks, pens, blues. I pointed out that taking away any one stud player from those teams left multiple stars behind them. We have Miller and Demko. That's our back bone. We don't have a middle 6 that can compete with the top stars in the league. We don't have a large skilled and mobile too 4 on the blue line. We don't have multiple HoF players in our roster. We're just not that deep. That's inarguable. Take out Miller, the stats speak for themselves. Take out Demko, you know what happens. You take away Kane, you have 5 HoF players on that hawks team. Take out Crosby, you have 3 HoF players. 4 hours ago, DefCon1 said: He wants us to keep trading our best players, because thats how teams win cups. No such thing as experience at all. People say silly things when they dont know a lick about managing a peewee team let alone an NHL team. He says on a hockey forum completely misunderstanding the entire conversation but still managing to jump in and not make any point whatsoever. Tell me. What is this team without Miller or Demko? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Just now, Warhippy said: Tell me. What is this team without Miller or Demko? Garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 39 minutes ago, shiznak said: Actually, icing a well-balance roster wins you Cups. Tampa didn’t always rely on Kucherov, Stamkos, or Hedman every single game during the playoffs. When guys like Cirelli, Gourde, Killorn, and Palat, stepped up on a different night. If we’re able to get 2-3 solid young pieces for Miller. I think the majority of GMs would make that deal. Given where they are at in their team’s phase. Agreed. We're who we are with Miller. But we still need a 3rd line C top pairing RHD, solid LW prospect/player and then depth to make it all work. If we can trade any one piece and obtain 2+ of those missing pieces and depth/options, any GM is looking at that to make a more complete team 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, coryberg said: Keep him until he walks next summer? No thanks. We have him until July 2023. We should extend him. There are no 20 something players out there with upside to be as good as him, except Pods. And we already have him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Garbage The graphic that person posted speaks for itself. We saw what Halak has done his last 3 games We're a good team with Miller. But we're not deep, we're not great and we're not contenders. Shut down Miller and or Demko and this team is drafting top 5 again. People have a genuine feat if Miller's next contract, and they should. Myself, my big fear is that we'll see a continuation of Canucks asset management in which Miller leaves at the end of his contract and we get nothing for it. Tavares screwed the islanders by promising to talk contract then left the first day of free agency. Obviously that's not worked out well for the Leafs and the Isles have had some playoff success after him. But my fear is losing assets for nothing, or not being able to fill those glaring holes in the organization that we all recognize. Even if Miller signs a huge contract, at least we can work around it. But that unknown is genuinely something to worry about. We can not afford $9.5 million on a 30 year old player any more than we can afford to let Miller walk for no return. It's a serious rock v hard place situation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Garbage and likely drafting in the top 5 for the next couple years. still not incentive enough for me to see this team gutted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Garbage So let's trade Miller to fix it! Logic. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Warhippy said: The graphic that person posted speaks for itself. We saw what Halak has done his last 3 games We're a good team with Miller. But we're not deep, we're not great and we're not contenders. Shut down Miller and or Demko and this team is drafting top 5 again. People have a genuine feat if Miller's next contract, and they should. Myself, my big fear is that we'll see a continuation of Canucks asset management in which Miller leaves at the end of his contract and we get nothing for it. Tavares screwed the islanders by promising to talk contract then left the first day of free agency. Obviously that's not worked out well for the Leafs and the Isles have had some playoff success after him. But my fear is losing assets for nothing, or not being able to fill those glaring holes in the organization that we all recognize. Even if Miller signs a huge contract, at least we can work around it. But that unknown is genuinely something to worry about. We can not afford $9.5 million on a 30 year old player any more than we can afford to let Miller walk for no return. It's a serious rock v hard place situation What team will pay Miller 9.5 x 7 years? That's close to 70 million. I say we can sign him for 8 x 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, grandmaster said: He is under contract next summer This summer is 2022. Next summer is 2023 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, coryberg said: There is a bunch of 20 year olds that I would trade miller for... unfortunately those teams wouldn't trade them for Miller. I was replying to defcon who was making 20 year old Ovechkin,Stamkos, Kucherov or Chara sound like a bad thing. Who are you getting for Miller that is a 20 year old Ovechkin, Stamkos, Kucherov, or Chara?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 minute ago, coryberg said: This summer is 2022. Next summer is 2023 Learn English. Next is the one coming next…. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, coryberg said: There is a bunch of 20 year olds that I would trade miller for... unfortunately those teams wouldn't trade them for Miller. I was replying to defcon who was making 20 year old Ovechkin,Stamkos, Kucherov or Chara sound like a bad thing. 1 minute ago, HKSR said: Who are you getting for Miller that is a 20 year old Ovechkin, Stamkos, Kucherov, or Chara?? Come on HKSR... I know you can read. Stop trolling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, HKSR said: Who are you getting for Miller that is a 20 year old Ovechkin, Stamkos, Kucherov, or Chara?? That's the biggest issue with trading Miller. It's a huge gamble that one of the young guys coming back will grow to be as good as Miller is now. Huge risk. Miller is one of the best in the league. The names being floated in rumours don't make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 minute ago, coryberg said: Come on HKSR... I know you can read. Stop trolling Lol, if I didn't troll a bit on here I wouldn't be doing my job of getting rises out of people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 minute ago, coryberg said: Come on HKSR... I know you can read. Stop trolling Lafreniere is a huge gamble. Kakko is looking like a bust. There just isn't a young guy who is going to become Miller. We are way better off keeping Miller. 8x8 will get him locked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Learn English. Next is the one coming next…. We are in the year 2022... eg. This summer I'm taking a trip to tofino. Next summer the one I'll probably plan a trip to Hawaii. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted March 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2022 Just now, Alflives said: That's the biggest issue with trading Miller. It's a huge gamble that one of the young guys coming back will grow to be as good as Miller is now. Huge risk. Miller is one of the best in the league. The names being floated in rumours don't make it. That's not actually the goal of a move like this. You simply don't "replace" a guy like Miller. Great if you get lucky and it happens with one of your trade return turning in to that, but it's not the main goal. This team has holes now (even more moving forward),...3C, RD1, RD2, 3LD, solid PK F's probably the most obvious. If you can fill a couple or 3 of those holes by moving Miller, while also freeing up cap, you open up opportunity to trade for the "next Miller", down the line, with a deeper team, in its contention window and the "next Miller" on his pre-breakout, bargain deal (like Miller is on now). Without that cap space, you have opportunity cost. You lose the ability to make that move, to fill those holes, to create the depth around your star players that is required for deep playoff runs. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertaNuck Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 If we trade Miller , are we not looking for a player in the trade like Miller? why trade Miller? miller 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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