SKCanuck28 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Just curious. If contract details were not an issue, who do you think Miller is worth straight up. 1 player for 1 player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, SKCanuck28 said: Just curious. If contract details were not an issue, who do you think Miller is worth straight up. 1 player for 1 player? According to this thread….. McDavid would be close, but Edmonton would have to add a bit. Matthews, same as McD MAYBE Makar, but he is still really young and inexperienced. The only true 1for1, from what I’ve seen here, maybe prime years Super Mario or Gretzky Edited July 16, 2022 by D.B Cooper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 5 hours ago, RWJC said: Hey N4ZZY, just a heads up that JR mentioned in an interview with Donnie and Dhali that he will continue to work with JTM to sort out a contract but if they can’t, he has up until the deadline to trade him. He also explicitly said that if it does come down to that, he intends to get an asset(s) back and will not let JTM walk away without a return. and to some others, just a quick reminder: Benning is no longer the GM of this franchise. anyone who thinks it’s fair or valid to assassinate a 6 month old regime, while in actuality are basing that perspective off the mistakes made or misfortunes of the previous regime, should maybe take a break from the game, dig down and do some Nux fan soul searching, haha. it’s astonishing some of the narratives being driven by “fans” who are completely ignorant to the fact that they don’t (none of us) actually know jacksh!t about what has or is going on behind the scenes. whether it’s trade deadline, contracts, blah blah blah blah blah. You’re just a fellow media simp, parroting clickbait speculation/hyperbole and presenting it as a factual account of the past and current happenings. check your egos and quit simplifying process as though your perspective is dynamic, omnipotent and factual. It’s not. it’s becoming embarrassing watching ppl pretend that they know more than they do. If we are fighting for a playoff spot come the 2023 TDL do you honestly believe our owner will allow a Miller Trade? Thats why we didn’t trade him at the 2022 TDL. Elliot Friedman said we took Miller off the market two weeks before that TDL. We kept him to battle down the stretch. And to trade him this off season. Trading in the off season provides a return tjat can help us right now. Trading Miller st the TDL gets us futures. “No step back”, right? Which scenario is a for sure step back, and which scenario is a reshuffle of players and cap allocation? I think some posters need to accept that our owner set the direction to kerp getting better, while fixing the Benning cap mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: Lou got the steal of the off-season in Romanov. Well, DeBrincat was sold for pennies on the dollar but Romanov was a steal. Did Lou’s fleecing of the Habs (a lot like that Tampa Sergachev steal) allow him to move a D for a high end forward - like Miller? Pullock would be perfect. He has a NMC though. Miller + Dermott for Pullock would be a great trade for us. Pay extra, but get the best RHD partner for Quinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 44 minutes ago, SKCanuck28 said: Just curious. If contract details were not an issue, who do you think Miller is worth straight up. 1 player for 1 player? Pullock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: Lou got the steal of the off-season in Romanov. Well, DeBrincat was sold for pennies on the dollar but Romanov was a steal. just shows how the media and whiney aspects of a fan base encourage each other. Lou landed a legit 1st pairing partner for Dobson, and the headline is crying about not overspending in free agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Ilya Mikheyev said: The Canucks are not rumoured to be interested in Klingberg. Some random dude tweeted that random dude is always right. I'm sure the Canucks are interested, but we're not going to pay to move Myers, at least not this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 5 hours ago, shiznak said: The scary thing about keeping Miller until the deadline isn’t the offers we will be getting……it’s the possibility of keeping him if we are in a playoff race. That (chance at a Stanley Cup or getting assets for JT) would be a good problem to have, no? Not sure why that would be "scary" - that's what those guys are paid a lot of money to decide. Look at it this way - if the Canucks are not in the playoff race, the other teams may end up lowballing the Canucks as they would know that the Canucks are desperate to trade JT. The 2 worst things that can happen right now is that the Canucks give up JT Miller for an underwhelming return or re-sign him to a huge, long-term contract. There are so many days between now and the trade deadline so there's still time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Scottydzik said: Hoglander 2023 3rd Dermott to Islanders Mayfield Myers Pearson To Ottawa 2023 2nd Bernard Docker Ltir Ferland 3.5 Poolman 2.5=6 million relief Out Cap space=12million Sign Klingberg 6x7.85 Sign Milano 1x1.5 Sign Subban 1x3.5 In Cap space 13 million Lines Kuzmenko Miller Garland Mikheyvev Petey Boeser Podz Horvat Milano Dickenson Lazar Joseph Hughes Mayfield Ek Klingberg Rathbone Subban Schenn Do we like? You can’t put a healthy player on LTIR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vinny in Vancouver said: That (chance at a Stanley Cup or getting assets for JT) would be a good problem to have, no? Not sure why that would be "scary" - that's what those guys are paid a lot of money to decide. Look at it this way - if the Canucks are not in the playoff race, the other teams may end up lowballing the Canucks as they would know that the Canucks are desperate to trade JT. The 2 worst things that can happen right now is that the Canucks give up JT Miller for an underwhelming return or re-sign him to a huge, long-term contract. There are so many days between now and the trade deadline so there's still time. The worst potential outcomes from keeping Miller to the 2023 TDL are he gets injured and we get nothing for him and miss the playoffs. Or we are in the playoffs (in February) and our owner won’t allow a trade. We miss the playoffs, like this year, and Miller walks for nothing. The risks are too great to have Miller on the club during the season. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I know this is a bit off-topic and been mentioned.... but this forward depth without any moves is wild.... Kuzie - Miller - Boeser Podkolzin - Petey - Mikheyev Pearson - Horvat - Garland Dickinson - Lazar - Hoglander Joshua Call-ups: Lockwood, Karlsson, Di Giussepe, Dowling 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Ilya Mikheyev said: I know this is a bit off-topic and been mentioned.... but this forward depth without any moves is wild.... Kuzie - Miller - Boeser Podkolzin - Petey - Mikheyev Pearson - Horvat - Garland Dickinson - Lazar - Hoglander Joshua Call-ups: Lockwood, Karlsson, Di Giussepe, Dowling When our forwards are shown on lines it sure highlights the potential to use Hogs as sugar to dump a Benning mistake and clear off cap. Do we need Dickinson and Pearson? Do we need Poolman? Is Hogs enough to dumperoo Myers? Or, could Hogs be a throw in with Miller to help get us a guy like Pulock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I would move Pearson and sign Evan Rodrigues as 3C Pearson + Hogz+Dipietro to OTT for 2nd 2023 Sign E Rod Trade garland for Marino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Canucks Curse said: I would move Pearson and sign Evan Rodrigues as 3C Pearson + Hogz+Dipietro to OTT for 2nd 2023 Sign E Rod Trade garland for Marino These are excellent moves. But what do we do with Miller, assuming he will walk as a UFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Alflives said: The worst potential outcomes from keeping Miller to the 2023 TDL are he gets injured and we get nothing for him and miss the playoffs. Or we are in the playoffs (in February) and our owner won’t allow a trade. We miss the playoffs, like this year, and Miller walks for nothing. The risks are too great to have Miller on the club during the season. What's the likelihood of JT getting injured? They need to weigh all of that. I don't really know what's being offered for him right now, but given the scarcity of good RHD in the league, if the Canucks trade for him now, we might end up getting another version of Poolman - that would be a bad outcome. I think other teams are asking - what does JT Miller want for a new contract and do we really want to sign him to that AAV and term? One of the possible scenarios here is that the Canucks open up talks with JT's agent to potential buyers, and then, JT finds out that his asking price may be too high and ends up re-signing with the Canucks to a "reasonable" AAV and term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: When our forwards are shown on lines it sure highlights the potential to use Hogs as sugar to dump a Benning mistake and clear off cap. Do we need Dickinson and Pearson? Do we need Poolman? Is Hogs enough to dumperoo Myers? Or, could Hogs be a throw in with Miller to help get us a guy like Pulock? with how hard it has been to move cap this off-season I wonder if Pearson even has the value of future considerations after the Pacioretty precedent would happily move Pearson + DiPietro for future considerations to sign a 3C (Tierney, Janmark still on the market) that can take over when Miller inevitably gets moved or walks, and likely cost less than Tanner to start with, while playing W in the meantime. Janmark is probably hungry for term after the last few years, slightly worse than Jankrok offensively (although one year younger), similar defensively - could maybe be had for 1.95 AAV/3 years and fill any # of bottom six spots. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure Janmark carried all of Dickinson's underlying stats and set up all his goals when they played together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Alflives said: These are excellent moves. But what do we do with Miller, assuming he will walk as a UFA? We resign him, that has been made clear as the top choice for the organization. moving garland for marino we get close to .5million savings, moving pearson+Hogz and getting E rod we get about 1.75 that cap of 2.25 can go towards Miller and Bo's uppage next year. along with the hotly/virtanen moving If we cannot sign miller by the deadline he will be traded and with Petey, Bo, E rod, Lazar, that is good NHL C depth + dickie is still somehow on this team, maybe we waive him if he is not doing well early in the season... where will Kuzmenko be next season, will we have cap to sign him if he does well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Take a Fiala-like return and move on without the risk of keeping Miller: Schneider and a 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Readership Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I think there are 2 in season trade options for Miller before the trade deadline. 1. A contending team has an injury to a star/huge support player and need a replacement. Also I don't want and wish for any player to be injured. 2. Teams that made a lot of moves in the offseason with big aspirations have a terrible start to the season and need to shake it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Take a Fiala-like return and move on without the risk of keeping Miller: Schneider and a 1st we may only be able to get that at the TDL. Not sure there's any way around it if they want to trade him, he has to start the season here to get that kind of value at the TDL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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