WEVEGOTMOTTE Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 To NYI: Elias Pettersson Jack Rathbone To Van: Matthew Barzal Both Players are struggling and a change of scenery could make a big difference. The islanders get an extra year on a player with club control and Rathbone could be a powerplay specialist. May need a throw in from the islanders to balance their cap. They have a lot of players on LTIR right now. Bring the kid home! Get er Done Trader Jim or whoever is the GM! Flame Away! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I just don't see the Islanders being prepared to give up on Barzal given how the season has gone for their entire team. A quarter of a season doesn't make a guy like Barzal expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singing chef Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Why do we have to include Rathbone ? Wouldn't a straight one-for-one swap suffice ? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel_3 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Really feel like you should have went with WEVEGOTTEMOTTE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 We give up too much. Petey is a far better player without the puck than Barzel. Bone is going to be a star. Miller for Barzal + is something that's more fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: We give up too much. Petey is a far better player without the puck than Barzel. Bone is going to be a star. Miller for Barzal + is something that's more fair. We'd have to add to Miller, not the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SN- Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Note: Tags are mandatory only in the Trades, Rumours, Signings forum and in the Proposals and Armchair GM'ing forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, singing chef said: Why do we have to include Rathbone ? Wouldn't a straight one-for-one swap suffice ? Because at this point Barzal is faster (much much much) faster, healthier, and has scored a lot more points in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, King Heffy said: We'd have to add to Miller, not the other way round. Miller for Barzel + Dobson. That’s fair. We might have to add Pearson to balance the cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singing chef Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 42 minutes ago, ZH96 said: Because at this point Barzal is faster (much much much) faster, healthier, and has scored a lot more points in the league. Barzal has scored "a lot" more points in the league for the simple fact he has played "a lot" more games in the league. Barzal 306 games, 260 points, 0.85 ppg. Pettersson 188 games, 164 points, 0.87 ppg. Seems like their careers are on similar trajectory at this juncture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 19 minutes ago, singing chef said: Barzal has scored "a lot" more points in the league for the simple fact he has played "a lot" more games in the league. Barzal 306 games, 260 points, 0.85 ppg. Pettersson 188 games, 164 points, 0.87 ppg. Seems like their careers are on similar trajectory at this juncture. Barzals rookie season he had 85 points in 82 games. Since then he’s still matched Petterssons highs. Petterssons best season is 66 points in 68 games. Also in not even three full seasons Pettersson has missed a combined 42 games to injury. Where as with Barzal in four full seasons he’s only missed 5 games and only one was due to an actual injury… (four games with an illness in 2016). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, singing chef said: Barzal has scored "a lot" more points in the league for the simple fact he has played "a lot" more games in the league. Barzal 306 games, 260 points, 0.85 ppg. Pettersson 188 games, 164 points, 0.87 ppg. Seems like their careers are on similar trajectory at this juncture. Thank you. It's important to consider scoring rates (points/ game) and not just scoring amounts (despite one playing a lot more games) otherwise by that logic some 3rd liner who's played years in the league could be more valuable than a rookie who hasn't scored much in the league. Edited December 1, 2021 by Phil_314 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singing chef Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, ZH96 said: Barzals rookie season he had 85 points in 82 games. Since then he’s still matched Petterssons highs. Petterssons best season is 66 points in 68 games. Also in not even three full seasons Pettersson has missed a combined 42 games to injury. Where as with Barzal in four full seasons he’s only missed 5 games and only one was due to an actual injury… (four games with an illness in 2016). Don't disagree with your stats. I was merely pointing out the reason Barzal had more points (played more games) while their ppg are identical. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Canucks Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Barzal is not leaving new york even if he only gets 1 point all season. They are not going to give up on him. But I would do the trade Barzal for Petey if it were on the table. 1 for 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) Never happen. Barzal is more valuable than Pettersson. Rathbone is a small prospect. Barzal is a player who can dominate a game... he can make plays on his own 1 on 4. Pettersson is a great shooter and good passer, but doesn't have the ability to go through an opposing team on his own and score. Edited December 1, 2021 by *Buzzsaw* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Miller + Pearson for Barzel + Dobson. Islanders might need to add a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Canucks Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, Alflives said: Miller + Pearson for Barzel + Dobson. Islanders might need to add a second. If JB ever turned this down, I would riot. Very Lopsided Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said: Never happen. Barzal is more valuable than Pettersson. Rathbone is a small prospect. Barzal is a player who can dominate a game... he can make plays on his own 1 on 4. Pettersson is a great shooter and good passer, but doesn't have the ability to go through an opposing team on his own and score. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Canucks Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, ZH96 said: I have not seen this Petey in a long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, ZH96 said: You won't find me disagreeing that Petey is a great player with lots of potential. But he isn't Barzal. And your proposed deal won't happen for exactly that reason. Barzal is NYI's franchise player and they won't trade him because he has a 20 game slump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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