NucknAsia Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Proposal To Pittsburgh Garland Poolman (or Dermott) 2023 Van 3rd To Van Marino Kapanen Why for Pittsburgh? Marino is apparently not viewed as highly by current Pitts Mgmt as he was by Rutherford and is paid 4.4 Poolman is cheaper, RD, as is Dermott who can play both sides Garland is self explanatory. Brings some added punch to that team and his style is a good fit Why for Us? RD, cost controlled, clearly liked by Rutherford, and would be a good piece to fit in to our group age wise. Should allow us to move Myers Kappanen brings us the speed we lose from Garland, bigger, some offensive upside (albeit inconsistent) but an excellent PK'er and can play a second PP. He is also not seen as a core piece in pittsburgh and has been rumoured for a while to be on the trading block. I see this as a not a blockbuster deal, but a hockey trade that can improve both team's deficiencies and position us for other moves. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Not trying to poopoo on your proposal but: I think Dermott is a great/cost effective add for the Canucks. I would be very hesitant to move him. Garland / Kappanen swap Im not sure improves the Canucks. Faster for sure, but Garland is definitely a more offensive player and plays with a good pace to be effective. Word is Marino’s play is decreasing. I havnt been watching PIT that closely so Ill abstain from any bold opinions on him, hut something Id look at closely before trading for him. I do think Kappanen is worth targeting though for his PK ability, especially if we lose Miller. Would look good on the Canucks third line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Strange I was proposing this Pitt return last summer..but yeah, not too shabby. Think I'd press the ACTIVATE button. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucknAsia Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Angry Goose said: Not trying to poopoo on your proposal but: I think Dermott is a great/cost effective add for the Canucks. I would be very hesitant to move him. Garland / Kappanen swap Im not sure improves the Canucks. Faster for sure, but Garland is definitely a more offensive player and plays with a good pace to be effective. Word is Marino’s play is decreasing. I havnt been watching PIT that closely so Ill abstain from any bold opinions on him, hut something Id look at closely before trading for him. I do think Kappanen is worth targeting though for his PK ability, especially if we lose Miller. Would look good on the Canucks third line. I think the swap of Garland/ Kappanen is two fold One, its to improve our team D, which is needed, and size. I really like Garland but think Kapanen is a better fit assuming we keep Boeser, and assuming that Podz moves up the roster. We have a hole on line 3 for a player that can contribute from that spot. Garland seems to have to be with top end players to be performing. Love him but I think he's expendible to improve other areas. Perhaps it should be for a 3c, but I do think he's someone who can be offered to help us fill voids. He's also part of the incentive to get Marino. I also have read as you mentioned, so maybe we can actually get him on the cheap, which would be great. But assuming we can't, part of Garland is really paying for Marino. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Player wise, I like. Cap wise is fairly even +0.15M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 5 hours ago, NucknAsia said: Proposal To Pittsburgh Garland Poolman (or Dermott) 2023 Van 3rd To Van Marino Kapanen Why for Pittsburgh? Marino is apparently not viewed as highly by current Pitts Mgmt as he was by Rutherford and is paid 4.4 Poolman is cheaper, RD, as is Dermott who can play both sides Garland is self explanatory. Brings some added punch to that team and his style is a good fit Why for Us? RD, cost controlled, clearly liked by Rutherford, and would be a good piece to fit in to our group age wise. Should allow us to move Myers Kappanen brings us the speed we lose from Garland, bigger, some offensive upside (albeit inconsistent) but an excellent PK'er and can play a second PP. He is also not seen as a core piece in pittsburgh and has been rumoured for a while to be on the trading block. I see this as a not a blockbuster deal, but a hockey trade that can improve both team's deficiencies and position us for other moves. Love this idea. This is exactly what (imhao) JR is looking to do. Although I think it will be Garland and Myers for Marino and Kapanen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucknAsia Posted June 2, 2022 Author Share Posted June 2, 2022 28 minutes ago, Alflives said: Love this idea. This is exactly what (imhao) JR is looking to do. Although I think it will be Garland and Myers for Marino and Kapanen. I'd be happy with that. Frees up Meyer's cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, NucknAsia said: I'd be happy with that. Frees up Meyer's cap. Is that about 12 mil out and about 7 (depending on how much we sign Kap for) in? We are pretty much the same team and save 5 mil on the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucknAsia Posted June 2, 2022 Author Share Posted June 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Is that about 12 mil out and about 7 (depending on how much we sign Kap for) in? We are pretty much the same team and save 5 mil on the cap. Marino is 4.4 mil Kapanen is 3.2 right now but an RFA. Can't see him getting much more as he's been inconsistent but lets say 4 mil aav total 8.4 mil aav Myers is 6 mil aav Garland is 4.95 mil aav total is 10.95 So we save about 2.5 mil Not as much but still a savings. If we can find a way to move out Dickenson, Poolman, we will be in a solid position cap wise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) I would do that deal with Poolman. I think it was proposed before, I had something similar... Edited June 2, 2022 by Elias Pettersson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 18 hours ago, Alflives said: Love this idea. This is exactly what (imhao) JR is looking to do. Although I think it will be Garland and Myers for Marino and Kapanen. Myers won't fit under their cap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Na I'm not super high on Marino and Garland is far better than Kap. Where does Marino even fit. Next to OEL maybe???? It's kinda lateral I like Myers I think we should be planning succession when Myers contract expires. Unless we are getting a far and away better player on the right for now I'm ok with our D it's the future that worries me. I think most importantly we need to get OEL Myers more O zone time. OEL gets his shot through we need him doing more of that. We need a shut down pair add a Ryan Graves, Andrew Peekie something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, hammertime said: Na I'm not super high on Marino and Garland is far better than Kap. Where does Marino even fit. Next to OEL maybe???? It's kinda lateral I like Myers I think we should be planning succession when Myers contract expires. Unless we are getting a far and away better player on the right for now I'm ok with our D it's the future that worries me. I think most importantly we need to get OEL Myers more O zone time. OEL gets his shot through we need him doing more of that. We need a shut down pair add a Ryan Graves, Andrew Peekie something along those lines. Myers is 32 Marino is 25 which one is the better age to play with Hughes for the next five years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Alflives said: Myers is 32 Marino is 25 which one is the better age to play with Hughes for the next five years? Neither is a good partner for Hughes. Edited June 4, 2022 by hammertime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, hammertime said: Neither is a good partner for Hughes. Myers, we know lacks the smarts to play top line minutes. Why Marino though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Myers, we know lacks the smarts to play top line minutes. Why Marino though? No shot. No physicality, mediocre defensively. Marino is a decent #4 so is Myers. Myers makes some mistakes sure but it seems like fans are lazer focused on hating him. He also makes a ton of great plays that never get talked about because well nothing happened. He is a far better player than he gets cred for on this board because he's 32 and dumped a puck that one time in OT or whatever other chaos giraffe moment. Realistically 90% of the time he's doing positive things on the ice. OEL Myers were one of the leagues best pairings 5v5. I don't think people properly understand the void that will be created moving Myers. You don't fill those shoes with Marino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, hammertime said: No shot. No physicality, mediocre defensively. Marino is a decent #4 so is Myers. Myers makes some mistakes sure but it seems like fans are lazer focused on hating him. He also makes a ton of great plays that never get talked about because well nothing happened. He is a far better player than he gets cred for on this board because he's 32 and dumped a puck that one time in OT or whatever other chaos giraffe moment. Realistically 90% of the time he's doing positive things on the ice. OEL Myers were one of the leagues best pairings 5v5. I don't think people properly understand the void that will be created moving Myers. You don't fill those shoes with Marino. Myers is a decent 5/6. Marino is actually a very smart player, and would be a perfect fit with Quinn 5 on 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Just now, Alflives said: Myers is a decent 5/6. Marino is actually a very smart player, and would be a perfect fit with Quinn 5 on 5. When we were kids we called dumb people “dough heads”. Myers is 100% a “dough head”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) nm Edited June 4, 2022 by hammertime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, Alflives said: Myers is a decent 5/6. Marino is actually a very smart player, and would be a perfect fit with Quinn 5 on 5. Myers is a decent #4 RD playing against other teams best players?? Come on give the guy some credit he plays up to 23 mins tough minutes and look at team around him??? You put Myers on a top 10 team look out.. He would fit great with Pittsburgh being #4 guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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