Popular Post nuckfanfromafrica Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 This offseason is a critically defining moment that sets the tone and direction of the team moving forward. Key team priorities and needs moving into the draft & free agency are: Create some cap flexibility to resign core player(s) in the near future add a franchise/super star player on a short term deal to bridge the gap until core is fully ready add gritty defenseman add center depth & versatile forwards add to prospect pool Change/define identity Below are some prudent moves to make: Trades: Main Trade: Why: Miller is a great player in his own right. However committing an 8yr term would be a contract that will not age well thus handcuffing the team in the future. Miller although is a great player however is a strong personality that overshadows the room and team play on the ice. The team goes as Miller goes. When on his game, he is dominate but when he is off his game can be quite lazy on plays. Miller in my opinion is not a franchise player that you commit significant cap space and term to. By no means is Miller a distraction in the room but this move could give more voice future younger core. Could have a similar effect to when Matt Duchen(sp) was traded from Colorado. Return: 5th pick in 2022 first & Scott Laughton .6'1 190 C/LW Other Secondary Trades for future cap space: Tanner Pearson and Travis Dermott become a bit redundant with addition of Laughton & promotion of Rathbone. Team adds some draft picks and futures. Don't trade at this time: Tyler Myers - Patience is key here. trading him will create a further hole on the Right side. Additionally not much in free Agency that would be a big upgrade from what he currently provides without handcuffing the team in the future i.e Josh Manson. Myers is an offensive defenseman that should be let loose to roam. Pairing him with a true defensive defenseman will up his value, effectiveness and production. Including next season, he is only on the books for another 3 seasons as oppose to an over inflated free agent Dman with significantly more term. Tucker Poolman: Patience again, Similarly cost of replacing him at this time in free agency is a lateral move. His underlying numbers when utilized properly are actually decent. Draft in First round Free Agent Signing 1. Evgeni Malkin C 2yr @ 8.5million AAV Add a Superstar on a short term deal (Sundin effect). Easily replaces Millers production. Vs Miller 2. Chris Tierney 2yr @ $1.8million AAV 3. Ben Chiarot 3yr @ $3 - $3.5 milllion AAV 4. Riley Nash C/LW 1yr at $750k 5. Cedric Paquette C/LW/RW 1yr @ $750k Projected team & Cap going into the Season 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) Gaudreau was a Flyers' fan growing up - lived right across the river/border of Philadelphia. By the sounds of it he is going to test free agency. Fletcher made it clear this week that he will only move the pick for a player in a specific age group. Vancouver expects to have Dickinson back per Drance - they don't want to buy him out and it's not a moveable contract. Philadelphia doesn't have that kind of cap space. They are already trying to dump JvR. They just traded for Dermott. Can't see how his trade value increased that much over just a few games either. Rathbone has yet to establish himself. They'll want a D7 and it's better to have some competition than to just hand a spot over. Edited July 2, 2022 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 So Dallas gives us a 5th rounder to take Dickinson back after a down year and for more expensive than he was for them, but we give the 5th back So in the end Dallas gives us a 2nd to get Dickinson and Dermott? I don't see that happening. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 thanks for the post you put alot of great work here. is riley nash done? i think so. probably better off signing someone else, really anyone. he's a replacement level player. like beagle his game is too slow for this nhl. his 2 minutes on the pk isnt worth the 7 minutes 5on5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 12 hours ago, mll said: Gaudreau was a Flyers' fan growing up - lived right across the river/border of Philadelphia. By the sounds of it he is going to test free agency. Fletcher made it clear this week that he will only move the pick for a player in a specific age group. Vancouver expects to have Dickinson back per Drance - they don't want to buy him out and it's not a moveable contract. Philadelphia doesn't have that kind of cap space. They are already trying to dump JvR. They just traded for Dermott. Can't see how his trade value increased that much over just a few games either. Rathbone has yet to establish himself. They'll want a D7 and it's better to have some competition than to just hand a spot over. I guess that rules out any of the "Miller for the #5" trade talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) I love scouting reports that say plays bigger than his size....aka he's small and the Canucks are already tiny. Edited July 2, 2022 by Chris12345 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Chris12345 said: I love scouting reports that say plays bigger than his size....aka he's small and rhe Canucks are already tiny. Well said and a very, very important fact that even JR meantioned in his first week here - that we are a very light-weight team and would be a pushover in the playoffs and why the team needs to be rebuilt with size, grit and some "attitude" brought in to replace our meek country club culture. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chris12345 Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: Well said and a very, very important fact that even JR meantioned in his first week here - that we are a very light-weight team and would be a pushover in the playoffs and why the team needs to be rebuilt with size, grit and some "attitude" brought in to replace our meek country club culture. Yea I'm sick of the "he has a big heart" crap. When you get into the playoffs it's simply physics. You can only take so many hits at 175lbs. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 4 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: Well said and a very, very important fact that even JR meantioned in his first week here - that we are a very light-weight team and would be a pushover in the playoffs and why the team needs to be rebuilt with size, grit and some "attitude" brought in to replace our meek country club culture. JR said we are “light weight”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 If JR is saying the Canucks need more sandpaper, is that how they'll draft as well? So, smaller players like Savoie, Ostlund, Mesar, Nazar, Howard, Casey might not be the type of player they're looking for? Maybe they're thinking: Gauthier, Lekkerimaki, Kasper, Geekie, McGroarty, Snuggerud, Bichsel, Pickering, Chesley, Odelius. Good sized players with an edge and a bit of snarl 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 20 hours ago, nuckfanfromafrica said: This offseason is a critically defining moment that sets the tone and direction of the team moving forward. Key team priorities and needs moving into the draft & free agency are: Create some cap flexibility to resign core player(s) in the near future add a franchise/super star player on a short term deal to bridge the gap until core is fully ready add gritty defenseman add center depth & versatile forwards add to prospect pool Change/define identity Below are some prudent moves to make: Trades: Main Trade: Why: Miller is a great player in his own right. However committing an 8yr term would be a contract that will not age well thus handcuffing the team in the future. Miller although is a great player however is a strong personality that overshadows the room and team play on the ice. The team goes as Miller goes. When on his game, he is dominate but when he is off his game can be quite lazy on plays. Miller in my opinion is not a franchise player that you commit significant cap space and term to. By no means is Miller a distraction in the room but this move could give more voice future younger core. Could have a similar effect to when Matt Duchen(sp) was traded from Colorado. Return: 5th pick in 2022 first & Scott Laughton .6'1 190 C/LW Other Secondary Trades for future cap space: Tanner Pearson and Travis Dermott become a bit redundant with addition of Laughton & promotion of Rathbone. Team adds some draft picks and futures. Don't trade at this time: Tyler Myers - Patience is key here. trading him will create a further hole on the Right side. Additionally not much in free Agency that would be a big upgrade from what he currently provides without handcuffing the team in the future i.e Josh Manson. Myers is an offensive defenseman that should be let loose to roam. Pairing him with a true defensive defenseman will up his value, effectiveness and production. Including next season, he is only on the books for another 3 seasons as oppose to an over inflated free agent Dman with significantly more term. Tucker Poolman: Patience again, Similarly cost of replacing him at this time in free agency is a lateral move. His underlying numbers when utilized properly are actually decent. Draft in First round Free Agent Signing 1. Evgeni Malkin C 2yr @ 8.5million AAV Add a Superstar on a short term deal (Sundin effect). Easily replaces Millers production. Vs Miller 2. Chris Tierney 2yr @ $1.8million AAV 3. Ben Chiarot 3yr @ $3 - $3.5 milllion AAV 4. Riley Nash C/LW 1yr at $750k 5. Cedric Paquette C/LW/RW 1yr @ $750k Projected team & Cap going into the Season Great post! I like every single one of those moves although I don't think that we will be able to move off Dickinson. So cancel one of the free agents and throw Dickie on the wing for one more season. He should bounce back. Either way really like the rest of the moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 20 hours ago, mll said: Gaudreau was a Flyers' fan growing up - lived right across the river/border of Philadelphia. By the sounds of it he is going to test free agency. Fletcher made it clear this week that he will only move the pick for a player in a specific age group. Vancouver expects to have Dickinson back per Drance - they don't want to buy him out and it's not a moveable contract. Philadelphia doesn't have that kind of cap space. They are already trying to dump JvR. They just traded for Dermott. Can't see how his trade value increased that much over just a few games either. Rathbone has yet to establish himself. They'll want a D7 and it's better to have some competition than to just hand a spot over. Yeah but when you dangle JT Miller to the new ownership in Philly, a top 10 scorer, Torts and ownership will be doing cartwheels to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Chris12345 said: Yea I'm sick of the "he has a big heart" crap. When you get into the playoffs it's simply physics. You can only take so many hits at 175lbs. Did you see gallagher in the playoffs 2 yrs ago? How about Danault? Ill take these two on the team anyday. Defense is different. You cant win with a small dcore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 4 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said: Yeah but when you dangle JT Miller to the new ownership in Philly, a top 10 scorer, Torts and ownership will be doing cartwheels to get him. New ownership is in Pittsburgh not Philadelphia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 33 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: Did you see gallagher in the playoffs 2 yrs ago? How about Danault? Ill take these two on the team anyday. Defense is different. You cant win with a small dcore I did I saw them lose after they came out of the trash Canadian division. Give them credit for beating Vegas but that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Chris12345 said: Yea I'm sick of the "he has a big heart" crap. When you get into the playoffs it's simply physics. You can only take so many hits at 175 176lbs. Especially when you're a "lanky" 6' 2" Swedish Finesse player who gets knocked off the puck easy and constantly falls down at a passing breeze! Those types of players only impress during the softer regular season (or in the SHL) when they can Ooooo & Ahhhh the impressionable! Edited July 3, 2022 by RU SERIOUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Alflives said: JR said we are “light weight”? .....................and he's also come to the same conclusion as Torts - that the Canucks locker room is a "country Club" and likely why Horvat unfortunately needs to go as he is partly responsible for that, as he sets the tone in there - all excuses aside! This is what happens when you have 20 years of Stoic, emotionless Swedish Finesse players sounding the bugle. It started a long time ago and got entrenched with Nazy, then the Sedins, who eventually molded & neutered Horvat into the relic of what he once was as a feisty, competitive player. As a result, JR will have little choice but to tear down the team. You can rest assured that we likely won't recognize this team in a few years when the worst of the rebuild is behind us and THE CULTURE IS FUNDAMENTALY CHANGED! https://lookcharms.com/rutherford-thinks-the-canucks-room-is-a-country-club/ Edited July 3, 2022 by RU SERIOUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 On 7/1/2022 at 10:36 PM, mll said: Gaudreau was a Flyers' fan growing up - lived right across the river/border of Philadelphia. By the sounds of it he is going to test free agency. Fletcher made it clear this week that he will only move the pick for a player in a specific age group. Vancouver expects to have Dickinson back per Drance - they don't want to buy him out and it's not a moveable contract. Philadelphia doesn't have that kind of cap space. They are already trying to dump JvR. They just traded for Dermott. Can't see how his trade value increased that much over just a few games either. Rathbone has yet to establish himself. They'll want a D7 and it's better to have some competition than to just hand a spot over. Sorry felt the whatever to comment on that, Dickinson is typical of any NHL player that has a bad season not named McDavid etc. So keeping his experience and probably a lot more consistent better play. A placeholder put in place by JB as a stop gap until picks and prospects developed as he ages and someone to take his spot. I.E Podz for instance, and worst case scenario of Klim on third on a ELC but at the time we needed him for his D game he displayed in Dallas. Anyway with Kuz and Klim being in a state of flux and not knowing either way is a where we've been at before and it's just as important now. D is the only huge concern for us now as we wait and see on both and get bigger and faster on the bottom six. And in the next 2 years we should have the core surrounded pretty good and have a window with a legit shot and not just one year. This is exactly why JR said we were close and I agree with that. Couple trades, keep picks, keep the developing picks and we're golden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 On 7/2/2022 at 6:39 PM, VancouverHabitant said: Great post! I like every single one of those moves although I don't think that we will be able to move off Dickinson. So cancel one of the free agents and throw Dickie on the wing for one more season. He should bounce back. Either way really like the rest of the moves. Make him earn it. Send him down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 On 7/3/2022 at 1:49 AM, RU SERIOUS said: .....................and he's also come to the same conclusion as Torts - that the Canucks locker room is a "country Club" and likely why Horvat unfortunately needs to go as he is partly responsible for that, as he sets the tone in there - all excuses aside! This is what happens when you have 20 years of Stoic, emotionless Swedish Finesse players sounding the bugle. It started a long time ago and got entrenched with Nazy, then the Sedins, who eventually molded & neutered Horvat into the relic of what he once was as a feisty, competitive player. As a result, JR will have little choice but to tear down the team. You can rest assured that we likely won't recognize this team in a few years when the worst of the rebuild is behind us and THE CULTURE IS FUNDAMENTALY CHANGED! https://lookcharms.com/rutherford-thinks-the-canucks-room-is-a-country-club/ This guy has obviously never played team sports in his life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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