5nothincanucksohno Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 When healthy, best D lineup appears to be: OEL Bear Hughes Schenn Burroughs Myers Myers could actually be effective if given less minutes and commits to the PK. Interested to see how Bear plays, seems to have some upside but good chance he gets dragged down like most of the Canucks D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Devron said: But that’s a ridiculous argument your trying to make. For one the trade helped both teams. That’s a possibility you know. They needed cap relief. We targeted a player that could help us. I’m sure we could have gotten Johnson or Palat instead. Would that have been better. Would that have helped our tanking needs. We could have traded Miller this summer for the same kind of pick but we chose not too. Because a pick is a gamble so unless we are getting a package to improve our defence it didn’t happen. Trying to make a point we shouldn’t have traded for Miller is complete ignorance Did it really help Vancouver? Did it make them a Stanley Cup winning team? No Did it even make them a legitimate playoff team? Maybe looked as much in the first year (2019/20), but certainly did not after that. It's good for Miller that he's been productive here, but he hasn't made the team better. And again, Tampa Bay used the asset they got from the deal to add a player and that player contributed to two successful cup runs. Yes, both sides benefitted in some way, but the team that won two cups benefitted tenfold. There's nothing wrong saying that because it's just the truth. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, AV. said: We don't know. What we do know is they had Miller and got swept with him to Columbus as PT winners in 2018/19. Then, they didn't have Miller, used the asset they got from his trade to get Coleman, and then won two cups. Is it a coincidence? Who knows. But factually, they didn't win with and then did win twice without him. wow you must be a gymnast. That was quite a stretch 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 minute ago, AV. said: Did it really help Vancouver? Did it make them a Stanley Cup winning team? No Did it even make them a legitimate playoff team? Maybe looked as much in the first year (2019/20), but certainly did not after that. It's good for Miller that he's been productive here, but he hasn't made the team better. And again, Tampa Bay used the asset they got from the deal to add a player and that player contributed to two successful cup runs. Yes, both sides benefitted in some way, but the team that won two cups benefitted tenfold. There's nothing wrong saying that because it's just the truth. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, AV. said: Tampa Bay won two cups with the pick they acquired from Vancouver (traded for Coleman) Vancouver won one and a half playoffs rounds in 3 years with Miller. Pretty good deal for Tampa Bay, I'd say. Well considering one team was building and one was a contender that is usually how trades with contenders work. But good job glossing over how much of an impact JT has had. And we won 2 series not one and a half, try and discredit the play in all you want it was still a series and it was won. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, The_Rocket said: So Boston won the Wheeler trade? and what about a trade where neither side wins the cup? Who won the Luongo trade? What about when Brian Burke worked some draft floor magic to get both Sedins? Canucks lost those trades as well? Yeah, they did. Winnipeg got a great player, a captain at that, but they've never made it past the 3rd round, much less have any sustained post-season success. Boston were clear winners. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Devron said: We watch hockey to see which team can hoist the Stanley Cup by the season's end. That's the only thing that matters. What does it matter how many points a player scores? Did FLA or CGY get trophies last season for having players above 100 points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, MystifyNCrucify said: Doomed to mediocrity. This management group wont be around this time next year. trading a 5th round pick = doom. oh god, i wonder what your reaction is when it starts raining outside. RAIN? I just washed my car 4 weeks ago, and I have to drive with the windows up. This is the worst day ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AV. Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Well considering one team was building and one was a contender that is usually how trades with contenders work. But good job glossing over how much of an impact JT has had. And we won 2 series not one and a half, try and discredit the play in all you want it was still a series and it was won. But the team that was building didn't get anywhere new that they weren't already after this deal. We know this because three years on, the Canucks are back to being outside of the playoffs, which is where they were before getting Miller. Tampa Bay, on the other hand, reached a new height after this deal. These are just facts, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket1994 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, AV. said: Did it really help Vancouver? Did it make them a Stanley Cup winning team? No Did it even make them a legitimate playoff team? Maybe looked as much in the first year (2019/20), but certainly did not after that. It's good for Miller that he's been productive here, but he hasn't made the team better. And again, Tampa Bay used the asset they got from the deal to add a player and that player contributed to two successful cup runs. Yes, both sides benefitted in some way, but the team that won two cups benefitted tenfold. There's nothing wrong saying that because it's just the truth. What a stupid / ignorant comment! What world are you in anyways? What a failure you are!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, AV. said: Yeah, they did. Winnipeg got a great player, a captain at that, but they've never made it past the 3rd round, much less have any sustained post-season success. Boston were clear winners. Alright I get it. There are winners and losers. Every team that wins the cup is the winner. Every team that does not win the cup is a loser. What great insight. Clearly there is no point in discussions otherwise. Over 50 years without a cup and here you are. Loser fan of a loser team 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, AV. said: We watch hockey to see which team can hoist the Stanley Cup by the season's end. That's the only thing that matters. What does it matter how many points a player scores? Did FLA or CGY get trophies last season for having players above 100 points? Dude never change! I can't stop laughing at your logic. your a funny guy did you know that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
204CanucksFan Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, AV. said: No, I'm using facts. What he's referring to, is you somehow trying to imply TB getting swept by CBJ is on Miller. TB s#!@ the bed. Plain and simple. Their leading scorer for that round was... ERIC CERNAK with 3 points in 4 games, the only TB player with 3 points. In 4 games TB allowed 19 goals against while scoring 8. But please continue, it's good for a laugh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Coconuts said: The Loui react was a fitting tribute to a Canuck legend, he's right up there with other players who've gotten reacts in Burrows, the Sedin's, Pettersson, and Hughes. It's honestly a travesty that he wasn't brought back as PK depth, he was a free agent this summer. I miss the Loui react, and I miss Loui. I don't. Especially the own goals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 41 minutes ago, Baggins said: How far back did you go? Didn’t take me much time at all it’s pretty easy on this site. https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl-draft/en/round/5-round-draft-picks-defensemen-all-time-points-leaders.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 41 minutes ago, Devron said: So not very many when you consider the old players on this list and there are 30ish 5th round picks a year In the big picture and all the drafted players, it’s a drop in the ocean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 It's not a difficult concept to understand both Vancouver and Tampa did well in the Miller deal. Tampa obviously had greater benefits with their cup wins, but that doesn't make it a bad trade for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 on a more postiive note, the kid isnt afraid of the physical altercations 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Devron said: Alright I get it. There are winners and losers. Every team that wins the cup is the winner. Every team that does not win the cup is a loser. What great insight. Clearly there is no point in discussions otherwise. Over 50 years without a cup and here you are. Loser fan of a loser team Yes, this is how sports work in the grand scheme of things. We can segment things further and look at micro-wins (i.e trading for a productive player) but the main goal for each team is to win the final trophy. We don't award Stanley Cups, or World Series, or Super Bowls, for having productive players. We don't have the Art Ross playoffs involving the top 16 scorers, do we now? This should be clear enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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