[PGT] San Jose Sharks at Vancouver Canucks | Dec. 27, 2022

[GhostsOf1994]

1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said:

Yeah the window is nowhere near as closed as made out. 

forgot to mention, ufa status once you have made it in the bigs in your prime...? ufa is what...26?

[stawns]

5 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

[iinatcc]

2 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

Did you see J.T. Miller last year? how old was he?

Have you seen Bo Horvat this year? how old is he?

was Petey a better play as a rookie or now?

was Hughes a better player as a rookie or now?

3 of the 4 above are only getting better, as they get older?

 

Goalies are a different species altogether, I don't feel like giving myself a headache 

 

Isn't the age bracket of 26-30 when most NHL players are in their primes?

 

 

Conservative max is 31 but usually the feeling is that by late 20's you would have already peaked there are exceptions of course but take Jamie Benn for example how he declined (though somehow he's having a resurgence but who knows how long that will last) 

[canuck73_3]

5 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

forgot to mention, ufa status once you have made it in the bigs in your prime...? ufa is what...26?

At the earliest, generally 27. 

[iinatcc]

Another point is that maybe it's healthier for this fanbase if the Canucks just blow it up and rebuild from scratch. 

 

I think we've experienced enough false hope that maybe it's time not be fooled by it.

 

We thought the bubble year would lead to something tangible to carry over. It didn't 

 

We thought the Bruce there it is moment last season would also carry over. It hasn't

 

So 3 wins in a row isn't really something we should hang to. 

 

Canucks have some good players I agree. But they aren't getting it done in this organization. Maybe they can find more success elsewhere. 

 

Would I love this core to stay intact ? Sure I love Horvat, Hughes, and Pettersson and really want them to be an important part of this franchise til they retire but sometimes we have to let our emotions go and face reality.

Edited December 29, 2022 by iinatcc

[BCNate]

 

 

26 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

But nothing in the pipeline. As the folks in Sportsnet 650 said. 

 

The Horvat and Boeser years are practically wasted 

 

Pettersson, Demko, and Hughes have around 4 or 5 prime years left in which it will probably take that same amount of time for the organization to get out of their cap troubles and rebuild the prospect pool.

 

Honestly it's tempting the blow things up. As some analyst in Sportsnet "there really is no path for the Canucks other than pain"

Hughes just turned 23, EP 24, they very well may elite for another decade.

 

If this management group can find a way to fix the Defence with a few stay at home D, we are going to be competitive.  

 

Just for the hell of it... add prime Tanev and Bieksa to this Dcore, and remove Boeser and Myers.  This team becomes a legit playoff team.  That is how far off we are.

[canuck73_3]

7 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

Another point is that maybe it's healthier for this fanbase if the Canucks just blow it up and rebuild from scratch. 

 

I think we've experienced enough false hope that maybe it's time not be fooled by it.

 

We thought the bubble year would lead to something tangible to carry over. It didn't 

 

We thought the Bruce there it is moment last season would also carry over. It hasn't

 

So 3 wins in a row isn't really something we should hang to. 

 

Canucks have some good players I agree. But they aren't getting it done in this organization. Maybe they can find more success elsewhere. 

 

Would I love this core to stay intact ? Sure I love Horvat, Hughes, and Pettersson and really want them to be an important part of this franchise til they retire but sometimes we have to let our emotions go and face reality.

Zero chance of that happening and that is the crux of the self inflicted frustration some of this fanbase. 
 

With how many cap strapped teams they are there are very few rebuild options, and players we have available don’t fit in with trade partners. 
 

If were far too screwed to build around Hughes and Pettersson why tf would Chicago and Adizona want them or give up assests to acquire them. 

[J-23]

19 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

Another point is that maybe it's healthier for this fanbase if the Canucks just blow it up and rebuild from scratch. 

 

I think we've experienced enough false hope that maybe it's time not be fooled by it.

 

We thought the bubble year would lead to something tangible to carry over. It didn't 

 

We thought the Bruce there it is moment last season would also carry over. It hasn't

 

So 3 wins in a row isn't really something we should hang to. 

 

Canucks have some good players I agree. But they aren't getting it done in this organization. Maybe they can find more success elsewhere. 

 

Would I love this core to stay intact ? Sure I love Horvat, Hughes, and Pettersson and really want them to be an important part of this franchise til they retire but sometimes we have to let our emotions go and face reality.

Bubble year was the best and worst thing to happen. Bubble off-season was 

 

If Bo goes team will be setback…will be a quick turnaround though building around Pettersson and Hughes. If Bo goes, Miller should be moved as well.

Edited December 29, 2022 by J-23

[iinatcc]

2 minutes ago, J-23 said:

Bubble year was the best and worst thing to happen. Bubble off-season was 

 

If Bo goes team will be setback…will be a quick turnaround though building around Pettersson and Hughes. If Bo goes, Miller should be moved as well.

The Bubble was fun and was one of the Bright spots during the height of the pandemic.

 

Having said that I think most of us, including myself and management, thought this team was further along than it actually was. It didn't help that the series win against the Blues was partly attributed to an opponent that wanted to leave the bubble as soon as possible. So it gave a false illusion that the Canucks were up there with the defending cup champs. 

[stawns]

6 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:

I'd rather have a guy that can be responsible as a Center myself. Miller has been crap in the middle all year despite you saying it's everything but that. I'm pretty sure he was moved off Center initially because he wasn't doing the job. That was well documented. We'll see moving forward what happens but being placed on the wing while playing an AHLer at Center because of BB's lack of trust in the 30 wingers on this team is far fetched at best.

 

JT saving Bo's crappy season first, now Centering a line all by himself.

 

 

an $8m 3C

[iinatcc]

20 minutes ago, BCNate said:

 

 

 

Hughes just turned 23, EP 24, they very well may elite for another decade.

 

If this management group can find a way to fix the Defence with a few stay at home D, we are going to be competitive.  

 

Just for the hell of it... add prime Tanev and Bieksa to this Dcore, and remove Boeser and Myers.  This team becomes a legit playoff team.  That is how far off we are.

Possibly. I am more comfortable saying this about Pettersson.

 

Hughes ceiling is still a bit uncertain. Sorry to quote Sportsnet again but apparently one of the host talked to a very respected person in the industry and saw his ceiling as Brian Campbell. So not exactly elite but very good. 

[spook007]

5 hours ago, AlexBurrows14Yu said:

Horvat doesn’t want to be here so we need to move on… if he wanted he’d be signed. He’s seen too many losses and wants to go to a winning team 

Says who?

[canuck73_3]

5 minutes ago, spook007 said:

Says who?

Do people literally forget this was said about Miller less than 4 months ago? 

Edited December 29, 2022 by canuck73_3

[spook007]

3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Do people literally for get this was said about Miller less than 4 months ago? 

Spot on

I even think the agent has stipulated that Horvat likes it Vancouver. He wants a raise...a substantial one.

Its his retirement contract, so he plays hard ball, and if he has to leave to get that, he may, but this has nothing to do with him not wanting to play in Vancouver.

 

 

Edited December 29, 2022 by spook007

[Dr. Crossbar]

4 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Do people literally forget this was said about Miller less than 4 months ago? 

Yes! This entire board is one big thread of people saying the same thing over and over again ... and again.

[bishopshodan]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

[canuck73_3]

44 minutes ago, stawns said:

an $8m 3C

I don’t know if that is an entirely fair take but he’s not a match up or responsible enough for defensive duties either. 
 

30 points in 34gp is clearly 2nd line numbers. 

Edited December 29, 2022 by canuck73_3

[bishopshodan]

1 hour ago, BC_Hawk said:

Your right…this team has no problems; starting terrible and giving up in games early is just their MO. 

It was an honest question.

I haven't heard those reports from anyone but Hirsch.

I have heard a bit of hearsay and speculation.

 

You're saying that due to their losing games and that you believe they give up ...that means the room has issues?

 

...and giving up early? I see it that they often were leading in games, but have had crap D and no Demko so we couldn't hold those leads. They then went to have some games where they have come from behind, prompting BB talk about team resilience and to state that the team now believes they can come back..So I wouldn't look to assume room issues. Which is why I asked. 

[R3aL]

10 hours ago, Maginator said:

I like your take.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if he sticks with this line for the rest of the season tbh.

 

No one expected Alex Burrows to work with the Sedins, but it did and he stuck there..

 

Pederson has the skill and IQ to play with Petey.

Would be a massive addition out of no where if he does. But he brings a different skill set than hoglander / garland  or boeser to our winger mix 

Edited December 29, 2022 by R3aL

[bishopshodan]

47 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Do people literally forget this was said about Miller less than 4 months ago? 

I remember.

He's American, doesn't want to live in Van, he's building a house where he grew up to rasie his kids, he will demand 9-10 million per year