[Report] Canucks fire Bruce Boudreau, Trent Cull; name Rick Tocchet as head coach, Adam Foote as assistant coach, Sergei Gonchar as defensive development coach

[Dazzle]

19 minutes ago, Provost said:

The other part that was annoying about being lied to was that they kept saying “the speculation drove this.”

 

What speculation?  The entire hockey world knew exactly who had been hired, when he would be hired, and even his assistants. There wasn’t speculation, there was reporting of well known facts that turned out to be 100% true.

 

This whole schtick about blaming the media is just getting so old.  Without the media they are a bunch of guys who are the best players in their respective beer leagues.  The media and TV coverage is what pays their salary and is inherent in the league.

 

They couldn’t fire Bruce when it became public (through their own mishandling) because he was under contract?  Green was under contract and he got fired… Bruce is still under contract and he has been fired.  They kept Yeo and he has head coaching experience, there is zero reason that they couldn’t have announced him as interim a month ago when they apparently made the final decision they didn’t have faith in Bruce after the meeting they kept referring to.  If they didn’t have faith in Bruce why would they let him keep losing games for them?

 

I kept trying to give them credit to explain the debacle.  If they planned a wholesale coaching change including all the assistants maybe they were stuck trying to assemble it and couldn’t make the change until they could.  That wasn’t the case though clearly.  They could have had Yeo coach and had a video coach bumped down to the bench for a few games to cover the missing Boudreau and Cull.

You are totally right. It's just management trying to weasel out of accepting accountability for their own actions. Look no further than this half-baked apology.

 

[RWJC]

17 minutes ago, Provost said:

The other part that was annoying about being lied to was that they kept saying “the speculation drove this.”

 

What speculation?  The entire hockey world knew exactly who had been hired, when he would be hired, and even his assistants. There wasn’t speculation, there was reporting of well known facts that turned out to be 100% true.

 

This whole schtick about blaming the media is just getting so old.  Without the media they are a bunch of guys who are the best players in their respective beer leagues.  The media and TV coverage is what pays their salary and is inherent in the league.

 

They couldn’t fire Bruce when it became public (through their own mishandling) because he was under contract?  Green was under contract and he got fired… Bruce is still under contract and he has been fired.  They kept Yeo and he has head coaching experience, there is zero reason that they couldn’t have announced him as interim a month ago when they apparently made the final decision they didn’t have faith in Bruce after the meeting they kept referring to.  If they didn’t have faith in Bruce why would they let him keep losing games for them?

 

I kept trying to give them credit to explain the debacle.  If they planned a wholesale coaching change including all the assistants maybe they were stuck trying to assemble it and couldn’t make the change until they could.  That wasn’t the case though clearly.  They could have had Yeo coach and had a video coach bumped down to the bench for a few games to cover the missing Boudreau and Cull.

Right, but how many more games would Bruce have not gotten to coach if that transpired? There’s always a flip side and although it’s still unpleasant, at least Bruce got to remain as coach long as possible…which is obviously what he wanted. Sympathy/empathy for him is one thing, but the media stir wanted everyone to mourn him while he was still in place and loving his job. That doesn’t make it any easier on the man. 

[Dazzle]

1 minute ago, RWJC said:

Right, but how many more games would Bruce have not gotten to coach if that transpired? There’s always a flip side and although it’s still unpleasant, at least Bruce got to remain as coach long as possible…which is obviously what he wanted. Sympathy/empathy for him is one thing, but the media stir wanted everyone to mourn him while he was still in place and loving his job. That doesn’t make it any easier on the man. 

This is the justification that management has been making though. It's the media's fault for causing this, not how management handled this. While the media comment is warranted, this management has no desire to accept accountability for their decisions.

[Zerofaith]

We’re not the Vancouver Canucks 

 

we’re the Vancouver Training Grounds

 

Keep making the same mistakes time and time again, hire first timers to run this team. PA might have been a good AGM but he has shown repeatedly to be a disgraceful and inept GM. 

[Boudrias]

32 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

 

 

 

This from the ownership who is all about the bottom line? That doesn't make sense. 

[Nucker 67]

4 minutes ago, Muttley said:

Why?  Worked miracles last year. Had no goaltender support this year. New he was getting fired for NO OTHER REASON then JR wanting to bring in a person of his choice. I find tour statement rather derogatory when describing Boudreau. Carry on...

Boudreau was never their coach. He knew that. 

[BlakeQuinnAndEggs]

5 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

This is the justification that management has been making though. It's the media's fault for causing this, not how management handled this. While the media comment is warranted, this management has no desire to accept accountability for their decisions.

10000% and it continues this morning.. h&b and iMac are disgusting with their groveling and whining its pathetic really.

 

Our media is the worst. A bunch of softie dramatic goofs. They're like narcissistic high-school girls creating drama.

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

This from the ownership who is all about the bottom line? That doesn't make sense. 

I don't know that our owner is counting pennies.  He's seemed to always spent on the club.  It's his getting overly involved in the (on ice) direction of the team that has to stop.  

[PhillipBlunt]

39 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

 

 

 

Only an owner as bad as the Aquilinis would be paying three coaches while only employing one. These mental defectives could just be paying one if they bothered to actually try to get a decent GM who actually knows how to build a team through the draft and trade and sign properly. 

[Dazzle]

2 minutes ago, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said:

10000% and it continues this morning.. h&b and iMac are disgusting with their groveling and whining its pathetic really.

 

Our media is the worst. A bunch of softie dramatic goofs. They're like narcissistic high-school girls creating drama.

Management has been utilizing them though, so it's a two way street. They made every effort to leak the Boudreau story earlier, it seems.

[BertaNuck]

Management probably has offers to move some under performing players such as Boeser, garland, podz and hogz but it’s at a lower return so they want to see if a new coach can turn these players around before the trade deadline to see if they are worth keeping or if they  can boost there  value before the trade deadline 

 

they are probably very concerned they will move these players at a low return and under a new coaching staff and a different system on another team they will be very successful and make us look like idiots in lost trades causing are “re tool” “major surgery” to be a fail costing JR and Allvin their jobs 

 

basically simulating the players traded to other teams before actually trading the players 

Edited January 23, 2023 by BertaNuck

[Dazzle]

Just now, PhillipBlunt said:

Only an owner as bad as the Aquilinis would be paying three coaches while only employing one. These mental defectives could just be paying one if they bothered to actually try to get a decent GM who actually knows how to build a team through the draft and trade and sign properly. 

Aquilini is rich, so it's not that big of a deal. If anything, it's financial mismanagement that he can easily absorb as losses.

 

Don't know why Green was paid 2.75, but Boudreau was paid 2 M. Boudreau has so much more experience and winning pedigree than Green ever did and ever will. What the hell?

[eeeeergh]

9 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

This from the ownership who is all about the bottom line? That doesn't make sense. 

The “owner is so cheap” narrative is one of the silliest ones on here 

 

we’re always capped out, and we have never had a problem buying out deals. 
 

our owner is a problem but his issue is not thriftiness 

[steviewonder20]

17 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

The media is awful

So is the reality of how people have been treated.

[Barnstorm]

12 hours ago, Curmudgeon said:

With respect, where have you been since 2011? This team just continues to throw good money after bad, to place their bets on the wrong players, and to fail at finding a coach who can build a winner. At the moment, they are at or near the bottom of the endless circle and it will be three years before they are contenders. I think that Tocchet will be given a lot of latitude in his approach and he is bound to create conflict, which is not necessarily a bad thing. If rumours of a country club atmosphere are even partially true, then Tocchet's mission is to turn it more towards a work camp. I am speculating, of course, but change is hard for some people. The ones who can rise to the challenge of being better players and teammates will ultimately be the ones to lead. Sadly, there will be popular players moved out in the next year or two. But, if the team is only marginally better after two seasons, then I can't see them keeping Tocchet. Something about an endless series of circles.

I believe I’ve just lost any faith or trust in this group. The way they have operated since arriving gives me nothing to believe they will ever have a proper grip on the situation. The latest developments inspire no confidence. Looks like a broken merry-go-round to me. 

[Alflives]

Just now, BertaNuck said:

Management probably has offers to move some under performing players such as Boeser, garland, podz and hogz but it’s at a lower return so they want to see if a new coach can turn these players around before the trade deadline to see if they are worth keeping or if they  can boost there  value before the trade deadline 

 

they are probably very concerned they will move these players at a low return and under a new coaching staff and a different system on another team they will be very successful and make us look like idiots in lost trades causing are “re tool” “major surgery” to be a fail costing JR and Allvin their jobs 

Move Pods and Hogs?  Guys on ELC's (who have very high ceilings) are exactly what management is looking for.  

[RWJC]

17 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

This is the justification that management has been making though. It's the media's fault for causing this, not how management handled this. While the media comment is warranted, this management has no desire to accept accountability for their decisions.

I think they do, it’s just not where everyone expects or wants. I think the accountability they are primarily  concerned about is on the stat sheet/results.
One rampant issue has apparently been a country club atmosphere? Well, one way to attack that is by adopting a hardline approach where no one is a victim and accountability is key. Perhaps we need that attitude being a little “pervasive” through this org for a term to see how much of a culture change it can produce. It could go completely sideways, but what should be shocking to no one, we have already been treading sideways for some time, a long time. 

Edited January 23, 2023 by RWJC

[Dazzle]

2 minutes ago, BertaNuck said:

Management probably has offers to move some under performing players such as Boeser, garland, podz and hogz but it’s at a lower return so they want to see if a new coach can turn these players around before the trade deadline to see if they are worth keeping or if they  can boost there  value before the trade deadline 

 

they are probably very concerned they will move these players at a low return and under a new coaching staff and a different system on another team they will be very successful and make us look like idiots in lost trades causing are “re tool” “major surgery” to be a fail costing JR and Allvin their jobs 

This is a very good point and angle. However, I doubt Pods and Hogs are getting moved though. They are both very young players in management's timeline. Remember, they don't want a rebuild. They want a retool.

 

Personally, JR and Allvin are incompetent, but that's just me ranting.

[ToTellTheTruth]

There may be surprises.

 

Rutherford did said agents were calling about this, so whose agents?

 

Pretty sure it won't be some other team's player agent's.

Edited January 23, 2023 by ToTellTheTruth

[Dazzle]

Just now, RWJC said:

I think they do, it’s just not where everyone expects or wants. I think the accountability they are primarily  concerned about is on the stat sheet/results.
One rampant issue has apparently been a country club atmosphere? Well, one day to attack that is by adopting a hardline approach where no one is a victim and accountability is key. Perhaps we need that attitude being a little “pervasive” through this org for a term to see how much of a culture change it can produce. It could go completely sideways, but what should be shocking to no one, we have already been treading sideways for some time, a long time. 

Yes, but it's just one country club atmosphere to another. The so-called apology that Rutherford made to Boudreau was very revealing about what he thought accountability was.

 

You can also see how this attitude is being passed down when Allvin directed the reporter to ask Rutherford about Boudreau instead of answering the question as a GM. Hilarious.