wallstreetamigo Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, hockeyfan-observer said: Great to see them winning again though was a bit dicey at times - they need to keep it going - try even harder so that they can get into the top 20 and show improvement to their loyal fans - If they can someone gain another net 10+ points on some teams in the remaining games, they will be out of these lottery sweepstakes - this indicates they are not too far off the playoff bar like some other teams and gives hope to the season ticket holders.heading into next season. Next game vs OTT will be tough so Demko will probably start - also need to play Petey and Huggy extra minutes if we are to win and finally overtake some of these teams we have been chasing for a while. Will be an interesting weekend. Why would a late season hot streak after another crappy season give hope to anyone? It’s the same every year. Just enough to drop their draft position and give management false hope. This team is only close to the playoff bar because pretty much every team is thanks to loser points. The team as constructed is pretty horrible and would get shredded in the first round even if they made it. This team needs a true impact draft pick and a better overall strategy to give people hope. Better to lose than win at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Yup. Seems about the right time this team starts f**king up the tank. Kind of opposite of last year when they starting making that glimmer hope of a playoff push after Bruce arrived before choking in some "should win" games near the end to miss the playoffs. lmao. It almost seems like its destiny for this team to not get a number 1 OA pick or a Stanley Cup. Just stay in the middle. The Canuck way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Just now, PetterssonOrPeterson said: Yup. Seems about the right time this team starts f**king up the tank. Kind of opposite of last year when they starting making that glimmer hope of a playoff push after Bruce arrived before choking in some "should win" games near the end to miss the playoffs. lmao. It almost seems like its destiny for this team to not get a number 1 OA pick or a Stanley Cup. Just stay in the middle. The Canuck way. Pretty much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, iinatcc said: Yeah ... we have giving this core so many excuses over the last 3 seasons. Coaching, Covid, management, etc. All those things have changed or are no longer a factor and the team is still bad, in the end the core is the problem. That's the thing though. The core isn't bad. The core handful of guys are actually great. Pettersson is one of the best forwards in the league, Hughes one of the best Dmen, and Demko one of the best goalies. Miller (when he decides to pull his head out of his ass) and Kuzmenko are two of the better forwards in the league as well. And yet it's always something. Demko was hurt, Pettersson was hurt, the defense is a mess outside of Hughes, the bottom 6 are bad, we had covid, the coaching is bad, we have badly constructed team, we have too much cap tied up in wingers. I just don't know what to think any more. Edited March 9, 2023 by 48MPHSlapShot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Just now, 48MPHSlapShot said: That's the thing though. The core isn't bad. The core handful of guys are actually great. Pettersson is one of the best forwards in the league, Hughes one of he best Dmen, and Demko one of the best goalies. Miller (when he decides to pull his head out of his ass) and Kuzmenko are two of the better forwards in the league as well. And yet it's always something. Demko was hurt, Pettersson was hurt, the defense is a mess outside of Hughes, the bottom 6 are bad, we had covid, we have badly constructed team, we have too much cap tied up in wingers. I just don't know what to think any more. I think they need to get rid of Boeser and Garland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Just now, Canuckfanforlife82 said: I think they need to get rid of Boeser and Garland. They really need to be gone in the offseason to make room for younger, cheaper players. Myers too. I'd say OEL too, buy I know that's an impossibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: That's the thing though. The core isn't bad. The core handful of guys are actually great. Pettersson is one of the best forwards in the league, Hughes one of the best Dmen, and Demko one of the best goalies. Miller (when he decides to pull his head out of his ass) and Kuzmenko are two of the better forwards in the league as well. And yet it's always something. Demko was hurt, Pettersson was hurt, the defense is a mess outside of Hughes, the bottom 6 are bad, we had covid, the coaching is bad, we have badly constructed team, we have too much cap tied up in wingers. I just don't know what to think any more. The road is littered with teams that had a good core group but couldn’t effectively surround them and continually gave up picks for middling players. Those teams end up in the middle of the road category and never win f all and never draft high enough for an impact player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iinatcc Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: That's the thing though. The core isn't bad. The core handful of guys are actually great. Pettersson is one of the best forwards in the league, Hughes one of the best Dmen, and Demko one of the best goalies. Miller (when he decides to pull his head out of his ass) and Kuzmenko are two of the better forwards in the league as well. And yet it's always something. Demko was hurt, Pettersson was hurt, the defense is a mess outside of Hughes, the bottom 6 are bad, we had covid, the coaching is bad, we have badly constructed team, we have too much cap tied up in wingers. I just don't know what to think any more. Well I could discuss all your points so I will just focus on the highlighted part. So we can agree that there are really good players in the team (Pettersson, Hughes, Miller etc) all have very good individual stats. Having said that it hasn't translated to wins. And Halford & Brough in Sportsnet 650 made a good point on this observation. Their individual numbers are really good. So much so that Canucks have extended Miller at a expensive contract and Canucks are likely to have to pay a premium to extend Pettersson. But how here's the question how can the team commit so much money on these players who haven't won anything yet? That is the thing the core is unproven and we are committing term and money on a core that hasn't won anything yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznmonk Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Mando27 said: I mean I'm glad the team seems to be playing well, but we have seen this song and dance many times before. Time will tell if they can carry it over to next season. Stupid nhl. They condemned us! Give us the toughest games and toughest schedule every season. Then at end of season they give us the easiest. It should be a blessing but canucks could never come out of the gate storming. Hopefully with tocchet can help change this culture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznmonk Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Coach BB did say that we have an easier tail end of the season. We will win more then we lose... he did predicted it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznmonk Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Coach BB did say that we have an easier tail end of the season. We will win more then we lose... he did predicted it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznmonk Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 The way Winnipeg and Calgary plays we can probably steal the last wild card spot. Should be fun.. let's roll maybe can be a Cinderella team.... happened once. We could be the next st louis.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but, after killing off two penalties tonight without giving a goal on the PK, the Canucks no longer have the worst-ever PK record in NHL history. LA was at 68.2 in 1979-80 and this year's Canucks are now up to 68.3. With a bit more solid play on the PK the Canucks might not even post the worst PK percentage in team history. The Canucks were at 70.5 in 1984-85. That might be attainable. But getting out of the basement this year might be too much to hope for.. Buffalo is 2nd worst in the NHL right now at 72.9%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Forwards: There is no question this team has a decent number of highly skilled forwards who can score... scoring is not a problem. Pettersson, Miller, Kuzmenko are obviously really creative. But of those, only Pettersson is really good defensively. Then you have the 2nd tier... Beauvillier, Garland, Boeser and Mikheyev... decently creative.... but at this point none of them stand out defensively. And Boeser and Garland are over-priced. And there are too many wanna-be top sixers. And finally the third tier... Joshua, Aman, Podkolzin, Giuseppe, Kravtsov, etc. Of these, a couple are decent 4th liners on a contending team, but not really 3rd line. Podkolzin is a potential top six or potential 3rd line... unclear right now. What we lack are really skilled defensive forwards who play preferably on the 3rd and 4th lines and who can go head to head with the opposing #1 line and free up Pettersson and his line and Miller and his line. These are the same guys who should be the mainstays on the PK... yes Petey is good on the PK and a constant threat, but too much time there burns him out and leaves less energy for what he really needs to do... that being drive the #1 line and PP. Defense: Hughes is an obvious offensive superstar.... and he is getting better and better in his defensive play. But he is small... and bad things happen to small D who don't have big protectors. In the playoffs Hughes would be a target unless he had a big brother as his partner. All the rest of the D that have ice time with the Canucks have not shown they are top 4... they can play the 5/6 well some nights, but that is not good enough. How Filip Hronek fits into this is a question. We have had a lot of D come through who were supposed to solve all our problems, and who just couldn't do the job. Hronek is also small... he is not the ideal partner for Hughes. He is actually better suited to anchoring his own pair in the 3/4. Realistically the team needs two new top 4 D.... one LHD and one RHD... both with size and decent mobilty whose primary focus has to be physical play... and in the case of Hughes partner, protecting Quinn. Goaltending: We actually have the pieces we need. If Demko can get a decent set of D-men in front of him, he would be a Vezina winner. And for backup, my choice would be Delia next year and Silovs the year after... after he gets another year in Abby. --- Thats my read on what this team needs to compete. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 We need Reinbacher anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, KyGuy123 said: Everyone upset needs to just look at the schedule. We started the season on the road forever and it’s a very favourable one from here on out. We will win more than lose and it’s nice to see the guys look like they are having some fun again, you see more smiles than broken sticks and eyes rolling. It looks like the culture is better and guys can just play and relax now that the TDL has come and gone. We are dressing a lot of AHL players and they are filling in well, it’s a good thing and it looks like we might have some young depth on the team and in the system that can play NHL minutes. Emrace it as everyone thought we were a team competing for a wildcard spot, bottom 5 when our stars are healthy just wasn’t going to happen. There's nothing that can be done about how the team ends up performing at certain moments of the season, but people that were on team tank have reason to be upset. The only saving grace for fans these past 2 seasons was the fact that the players were "smiling again" and "having fun again". Is this pee-wee hockey? They're professional athletes. They get paid millions of dollars to go out and perform. How much do we have to baby them? Literally the same exact thing happened when bruce boudreau was here.."players smiling", "confidence", "the culture is better". All that good stuff. Deja Vu? Look at what resulted the following season. Where did all the positive vibes go? Every team goes through injuries. Teams with enough proper depth are able to somewhat maintain their pace rather than fall off a cliff like us. From making the playoffs to bottom 5? And we're up against the cap? That should tell you more than enough. Why do you think that in a year when there's a kid from North Vancouver who's literally broken McDavid records that fans wouldn't be at least a little upset it's looking more and more like that won't happen? In a year when your defence has literally fallen apart, your season is lost, your franchise has been ridiculed throughout the league because of the handling of your (ex) coach, and you were forced to trade your captain because of cap issues? But, yay when 100% healthy we're a potential borderline wildcard competing team! We're not gonna make the playoffs and we're hurting our draft stock but let's have those good vibes all around like when BB was here. Then wait until the offseason, probably not get a favourable schedule like we always do, and give up on the coach again! We can just blame it all on the early road schedule and injuries all over right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, JamesB said: the Canucks no longer have the worst-ever PK record in NHL history 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 People keep brining up the schedule it's not like the 7 game losing stream weren't winnable games EDM, PHI, WSH, CBJ, MIN, BUF, CAR two were projected (and currently) are bad teams, 2 were bubble teams, 2 were pretty good (though one was also in their own winless streak) and only Carolina was an elite team. So let's not pretend the NHL gave the Canucks a hard schedule the first few games. And Nov and Dec half of those game were considered "winnable games". So yeah people can give an excuse that Canucks now have an easier schedule (though they also miraculously beat Dallas and Toronto for whatever reason), but let's not pretend that the first 7 games Canucks lost this season were mostly winnable games as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophomore Jinx Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, J-23 said: We need Reinbacher anyways. I like him a lot, he'd be a great nab. Pellikka would be a great "consolation prize" too, despite his size he's pretty dynamic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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