Nucker 67 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Best part of the game - watching that weasel Zegras flip out and try to go after Joshua 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, Canuckfanforlife82 said: Well we know right shot dmen aren't coming from within. They need to acquire those somehow. Hronek. We have 2 now. It may not be ideal to many people, but last year one of the best shutdown pairs in the league last season as OEL - Myers When paired together, they shut down the top lines around the league. This season they have hardly spent time together. IF they are to staple Hughes and Hronek together and OEL and Myers, the hope would be that OEL and Myers can regain that chemistry and we could have 2 legit working top pairings. Everyone can hate OEL and Myers as much as they want, but you cannot deny what they did last season and this season, for whatever reason, the coaching staff did not pair them together much. Instead they had baby sitting jobs for every call up and fringe NHL dman we inserted in the lineup. We dont have a lot of choice and our options are limited, but OEL and Myers CAN work very effectively as a pair. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: Hronek. We have 2 now. It may not be ideal to many people, but last year one of the best shutdown pairs in the league last season as OEL - Myers When paired together, they shut down the top lines around the league. This season they have hardly spent time together. IF they are to staple Hughes and Hronek together and OEL and Myers, the hope would be that OEL and Myers can regain that chemistry and we could have 2 legit working top pairings. Everyone can hate OEL and Myers as much as they want, but you cannot deny what they did last season and this season, for whatever reason, the coaching staff did not pair them together much. Instead they had baby sitting jobs for every call up and fringe NHL dman we inserted in the lineup. We dont have a lot of choice and our options are limited, but OEL and Myers CAN work very effectively as a pair. That's a lot to have to go right. Going into the season hoping things work out. That's what they did this year. I think Hronek is great but they need to be able to separate and have a balance. Pairing Hronek and Hughes on the d pairing doesn't leave much after them. I am not as convinced on OEL or Myers. They are what they are. At least move one contract. Hope a NCAA dman can come in. Possibly a Livingstone. Edited March 20, 2023 by Canuckfanforlife82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: Hronek. We have 2 now. It may not be ideal to many people, but last year one of the best shutdown pairs in the league last season as OEL - Myers When paired together, they shut down the top lines around the league. This season they have hardly spent time together. IF they are to staple Hughes and Hronek together and OEL and Myers, the hope would be that OEL and Myers can regain that chemistry and we could have 2 legit working top pairings. Everyone can hate OEL and Myers as much as they want, but you cannot deny what they did last season and this season, for whatever reason, the coaching staff did not pair them together much. Instead they had baby sitting jobs for every call up and fringe NHL dman we inserted in the lineup. We dont have a lot of choice and our options are limited, but OEL and Myers CAN work very effectively as a pair. I'm curious to see how the path they take with Hronek. If he comes in and kills it, he's going to be looking for $7mish on his next deal, but he'll also be very, very valuable at the next tdl. Can they afford another $7m dman or will they move him for a big return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, stawns said: I'm curious to see how the path they take with Hronek. If he comes in and kills it, he's going to be looking for $7mish on his next deal, but he'll also be very, very valuable at the next tdl. Can they afford another $7m dman or will they move him for a big return? A 6M d-man will come off the cap at that time so yes. Hopefully the other big ticket will be gone at some point but we will have to deal with his buyout at that point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, stawns said: I'm curious to see how the path they take with Hronek. If he comes in and kills it, he's going to be looking for $7mish on his next deal, but he'll also be very, very valuable at the next tdl. Can they afford another $7m dman or will they move him for a big return? They are not rebuilding so they have no intention of moving a core player. Allvin has scouted Hronek since his days in Pittsburgh. They targeted this player. They know what kind of contract he wants moving forward. So having to pay him a 7x8 contract would not be a surprise to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: They are not rebuilding so they have no intention of moving a core player. Allvin has scouted Hronek since his days in Pittsburgh. They targeted this player. They know what kind of contract he wants moving forward. So having to pay him a 7x8 contract would not be a surprise to them. I don't disagree, but they bought pretty low, they might prefer selling high on him and really stocking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: A 6M d-man will come off the cap at that time so yes. Hopefully the other big ticket will be gone at some point but we will have to deal with his buyout at that point. But that doesn't mean they should just go out and replace a big contract with a bigger one just because they have a little room I agree they will likely hold onto him, but there's certainly opportunity to use him as a high value asset 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 2 hours ago, stawns said: You have evidence of this I assume? Do you think it's inappropriate for a business owner to be involved in the business he owns? Are you serious? Every buissness owner has the right to be involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck-lifer Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 24 minutes ago, stawns said: I'm curious to see how the path they take with Hronek. If he comes in and kills it, he's going to be looking for $7mish on his next deal, but he'll also be very, very valuable at the next tdl. Can they afford another $7m dman or will they move him for a big return? We may when Myers 6m contract in gone next year or this summer. An OEL contract buyout should be in the works in 2-3 years depending on uhmmmm a million scenarios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 27 minutes ago, stawns said: But that doesn't mean they should just go out and replace a big contract with a bigger one just because they have a little room I agree they will likely hold onto him, but there's certainly opportunity to use him as a high value asset Oh I have been paying attention. We only need to smell a whiff of potential cap space to spend it on another winger. It is our owners way, sitting on the bottom, spend to mediocre then burn draft assets to get rid of the crap you bought when you were rushing us the last time. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 20 minutes ago, nuck-lifer said: We may when Myers 6m contract in gone next year or this summer. An OEL contract buyout should be in the works in 2-3 years depending on uhmmmm a million scenarios It's more that they bought low and could sell very very high 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 44 minutes ago, stawns said: I'm curious to see how the path they take with Hronek. If he comes in and kills it, he's going to be looking for $7mish on his next deal, but he'll also be very, very valuable at the next tdl. Can they afford another $7m dman or will they move him for a big return? Well the cap could rise 4-5mil next season, it all comes down to escrow and wether or not it has all been paid back. If not its a 1mil increase, which will make it difficult. However I think they will re-sign him regardless of the cap increase, IF he is in fact going to be a difference maker defensively. Top 4 RHD dont grow on trees and hes just now beginning to hit his prime. Moving him would help stock our prospect pipeline and help contribute to the longevity of being competitive, but at the same time it would be another step back on guys like Hughes, Demko and Peteys prime years. The question is what hurts us more, keeping him or taking a step back and hoping to acquire/draft/develop a top 4 RHD of our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 hour ago, AnthonyG said: Hronek. We have 2 now. It may not be ideal to many people, but last year one of the best shutdown pairs in the league last season as OEL - Myers When paired together, they shut down the top lines around the league. This season they have hardly spent time together. IF they are to staple Hughes and Hronek together and OEL and Myers, the hope would be that OEL and Myers can regain that chemistry and we could have 2 legit working top pairings. Everyone can hate OEL and Myers as much as they want, but you cannot deny what they did last season and this season, for whatever reason, the coaching staff did not pair them together much. Instead they had baby sitting jobs for every call up and fringe NHL dman we inserted in the lineup. We dont have a lot of choice and our options are limited, but OEL and Myers CAN work very effectively as a pair. Anyone who says this is blind, doesn't watch the games, or doesn't understand what they're watching. Myers was absolutely as horrific as he has been this year. Bailed out time and time again by Demko after gifting the other team opportunity after opportunity. OEL was not bad but not nothing special. This is a perfect example of fancy stats doing a garbage job explaining what was happening on the ice. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Anyone who says this is blind, doesn't watch the games, or doesn't understand what they're watching. Myers was absolutely as horrific as he has been this year. Bailed out time and time again by Demko after gifting the other team opportunity after opportunity. OEL was not bad but not nothing special. This is a perfect example of fancy stats doing a garbage job explaining what was happening on the ice. Myers looks pretty good in tocchet's system and OEL will as well.........all those piling on those two this year fail to acknowledge the true extent of BB's ineptitude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Anyone who says this is blind, doesn't watch the games, or doesn't understand what they're watching. Myers was absolutely as horrific as he has been this year. Bailed out time and time again by Demko after gifting the other team opportunity after opportunity. OEL was not bad but not nothing special. This is a perfect example of fancy stats doing a garbage job explaining what was happening on the ice. K we’ll just forget that OEL and Myers were on for a mere 35 goals against at 5v5 last season in 982TOI paired together. We’ll forget that they were 12th in fewest high danger chances against out of all pairs to play over 800 mins together. We’ll also forget that their xGA was only 43 meaning Demko didnt really bail them out all that much and they limited chances against. But ya no you’re right, thats a terrible way to explain whats happening on the ice by looking at high danger chances given up, how many times the goalie had to bail us out. Oh and OEL and Myers were also victims of the 2nd most LOW DANGER GOALS AGAINST with 9. So 9/35 goals were on Demko or Halak. 1/4 of the goals against Myers and OEL were completely stoppable. Myers had the highest defensive point shares on our team with 5.1 and OEL had 4.3DPS last season. Myers has had the highest DPS every season with VAN except his 1st….Whats that say about Hughes then????? Riddle me this. If Tanev had a slightly hire DPS than Myers…. Tanev is better right? Because its Tanev and you’re biased and ignorant. But if Myers has a consistently higher DPS than every single player on the team every year except his first…. “Fancy stats” are garbage and you’re going to throw a tantrum like a child because you cant comprehend hockey or the subtle things that make a difference so therefore in those circumstances fancy stats are wrong and a big fat lie unless its someone like Tanev at the top (which he wasnt it was Edler) then its believable. I personally spoke with Brad Shaw last season and asked him what the issue was last year with the PK and how the team was playing early in the season and what changed to get them playing how they were towards the end. His answer was goaltending. Our goaltending was subpar on the PK and Brad Shaw was the 3rd PK coach last season. If our PK wasnt below 70% which was largely on the goalies, we would be a playoff team last season hands down and most likely one this season as well. Maybe you dont understand hockey? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 38 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Anyone who says this is blind, doesn't watch the games, or doesn't understand what they're watching. Myers was absolutely as horrific as he has been this year. Bailed out time and time again by Demko after gifting the other team opportunity after opportunity. OEL was not bad but not nothing special. This is a perfect example of fancy stats doing a garbage job explaining what was happening on the ice. Also idk if you’ve been paying attention because Myers has faced A TON of 2v1 and 3v1s this season. Baby sitting guys like Stillman and Rathbone who have left him hanging. Myers has easily faced the most 2v1s this season on our team. So what does that say about him being the only defensively responsible guy back? Maybe you should try watching some games before speaking? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, stawns said: Myers looks pretty good in tocchet's system and OEL will as well.........all those piling on those two this year fail to acknowledge the true extent of BB's ineptitude. I believe a byproduct of this year end winning will be the values of players that were previously struggling improving. This is important leading into an offseason where changes will need to be made. Edited March 20, 2023 by rekker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt kilgore Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 42 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: Also idk if you’ve been paying attention because Myers has faced A TON of 2v1 and 3v1s this season. Baby sitting guys like Stillman and Rathbone who have left him hanging. Myers has easily faced the most 2v1s this season on our team. So what does that say about him being the only defensively responsible guy back? Maybe you should try watching some games before speaking? Who's your dealer? I want what you're smoking 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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