chon derry Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Yup. Woo at 750 is better than Bear. Ya but bears actually DO $hit in the woods ,woo not so much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Just now, Dr. Crossbar said: Classics comedy TV. Kind of like watching those Benning years. Disaster after disaster. But only funny to the other 31 teams’ fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Just now, chon derry said: Ya but bears actually DO $hit in the woods ,woo not so much Now I want to go camping! You and Alf going to join n me hahaha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, cripplereh said: Way I see the D now we do need help. QH. Hronek Hirose Myers Wolanin Johansson or Woo or McWard Not good we need d help Hughes, Woo Hirose, Hronek Wolanin, Myers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: But OEL wasn't going to be playing in the top 4. He was going to be an anchor playing on the 3rd pairing where he could be replaced with someone making less than $2 million. So the cost is a wash. We get the cap space needed to get a legit top 4 Dman and then use the remaining money to pay the 3rd pairing guy whatever is left. \ At the end of the day paying a guy $7.26 million to play on your 3rd pairing for 4 years makes no sense. The buyout is actually a smart strategic move to get maximum cap space available this year and a good chunk next year and then allow some of our ELC contracts to make the club in years 3-4. Years 5-8 are irrelevant because if we are not a contender by then then the extra 4 years won't even matter... That's out of convenience that you automatically move him onto the 3rd pair. Reality is if he was healthy and is healthy going into next season, he'd be on the 2nd pair. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, cripplereh said: Way I see the D now we do need help. QH. Hronek Hirose Myers Wolanin Johansson or Woo or McWard Not good we need d help Yea they’re for sure looking at trade options right now. They just need a left hand D that can play really well in his own zone and kill penalties. If they can do that then Myers can still be a serviceable number 4. He can’t carry a pairing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, HKSR said: That's out of convenience that you automatically move him onto the 3rd pair. Reality is if he was healthy and is healthy going into next season, he'd be on the 2nd pair. On the second pair not able to kill penalties or bring anything to a powerplay. Not much of a second pair guy… Edited June 18, 2023 by DeNiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Yea they’re for sure looking at trade options right now. They just need a left hand D that can play really well in his own zone and kill penalties. If they can do that then Myers can still be a serviceable number 4. He can’t carry a pairing though. That's my hope a good trade. Maybe two and get a 3c. I just hope we can fill a hole with a trade and keep cap space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: On the second pair not able to kill penalties or bring anything to a powerplay. Not much of a second pair guy… Not saying he would be a good 2nd pair LHD, but reality is that's how he would have been deployed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, HKSR said: That's out of convenience that you automatically move him onto the 3rd pair. Reality is if he was healthy and is healthy going into next season, he'd be on the 2nd pair. Sure, that's why they bought him out, because he was going to be a top 4 Dman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: Sure, that's why they bought him out, because he was going to be a top 4 Dman? If Aquilini didn't ante up, yeah, I believe they'd have him playing 2LHD. Again, I'm not saying he'd be good as a 2LHD, but what I am saying is that's what we would have been left with. No different than last year or the year before. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, HKSR said: That's out of convenience that you automatically move him onto the 3rd pair. Reality is if he was healthy and is healthy going into next season, he'd be on the 2nd pair. OEL was actually done as an nhl player. He needed to play protected minutes. Best thing our owner did was to buyout OEL. On the ice and in the room our club is do much better. Janik Hansen on 650 said it best. OEL, because of his contract and very poor play, was an elephant in our room. He was an anchor that had to be cut loose. The other players know this is best and it increases their chances to be on a winner. No player wants dead weight on their club. They want to win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, HKSR said: If Aquilini didn't ante up, yeah, I believe they'd have him playing 2LHD. Again, I'm not saying he'd be good as a 2LHD, but what I am saying is that's what we would have been left with. No different than last year or the year before. If OEL wasn't bought out, we would have traded other contracts with sweeteners attached and then went out and got a bonafide top 4 defensive Dman to play with Hronek. There is no sceanrio where Tocchet would have had OEL playing 20+ minutes a night on the second pairing and playing top minutes on the PK. Tocchet already had a problem with him in Arizona, that problem did not change now in Vancouver. I am also going to say that I believe they were always going to buyout OEL. Having him on the 3rd pairing would have been horrendous for the team. JR even said buyouts were on the table back in January. His sidekick who is only a yes man told us a different story, but we know the bald guy isn't the one who is running the show. It's the older guy who every once in awhile has to wake up from his nap and put his teeth in like @Alflives likes to talk about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, HKSR said: Not saying he would be a good 2nd pair LHD, but reality is that's how he would have been deployed. For sure but they obviously don’t wanna do that for the next four years. Same reason they didn’t wanna rebuild is the same reason they were never gonna ride out the remaining 4 years of his contract. Rutherford has a history of building D cores with low paid underrated guys, so we’ll see what they can come up with. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: OEL was actually done as an nhl player. He needed to play protected minutes. Best thing our owner did was to buyout OEL. On the ice and in the room our club is do much better. Janik Hansen on 650 said it best. OEL, because of his contract and very poor play, was an elephant in our room. He was an anchor that had to be cut loose. The other players know this is best and it increases their chances to be on a winner. No player wants dead weight on their club. They want to win. I believe Hansen's exact words were "The rot had to be removed"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 6 hours ago, chon derry said: I don’t disagree both bigger players as well as smaller players drafted are a gamble. The smaller player being the bigger gamble. The bigger player having the edge in making it. Now that’s something that’s been proved out over time. Avg height 6’1 200 lbs is a figure that’s been faily consistent over time. Here's a website that has charted stats since 1915. 72" = 6 feet. Avg height has been around 73" for since the early 90's but weight peaked in 2003 at 206.3 and in 2014 was 201.2. I imagine this is due to changes in training. NHL Player Size From 1917-18 to 2014-15: A Brief Look | Hockey Graphs (hockey-graphs.com) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: OEL was actually done as an nhl player. He needed to play protected minutes. Best thing our owner did was to buyout OEL. On the ice and in the room our club is do much better. Janik Hansen on 650 said it best. OEL, because of his contract and very poor play, was an elephant in our room. He was an anchor that had to be cut loose. The other players know this is best and it increases their chances to be on a winner. No player wants dead weight on their club. They want to win. Alf and EP were right all along and I do understand why it happened. Cap the way it is and us finally having pieces to trade and bring up makes more sense then ever. This summer more will happen and we will see the bigger picture. If we do not make the playoffs I think heads will roll. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnstorm Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I believe Hansen's exact words were "The rot had to be removed"... He’s never one to mince words. Need more of that around this team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Gurn said: These are the same guys that signed Brock to a 3 year deal- so yah, I feel fine questioning their decisions. They had no choice. Benning also screwed that one up by having Brock's QO at $7.5 million. So they either reduce the AAV and give him some term or they let him walk for free. Also, Brock had respectable numbers last year and wasn't the main problem on this team. I also went after Brock a few times, but I have since changed my stance on him. If he comes to camp in great shape I think he can have a very good year playing with Miller... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 2 hours ago, grumpyone said: watch him stay at home and count money instead of announcing his retirement. by the way, what happens to the cap penalty if he DOES announce his retirement? He's actually getting paid ALOT less now than before the buyout. He was owed $10.5 million this year and another $8 million next year. With the buyout he is getting $2.4 million this year and every year for the next 8 years. Not sure if that is enough to feed the kids. He may have to find another team to play for... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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