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#181 Guest_BuckFoston_*

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 05:34 AM

We will get atleast one, or the pick in the deal.

Or else 1 or 2 good roster players/prospects.


I'm sorry do you know something everyone else doesn't? What is the fascination with discussing players like they have already been traded when it is clearly not the case.

And there is no remedy for this stupidity until July. Everyone in the organization can say there is no trade right now till they are blue in the face and everyone will still be here spewing this nonsense.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 05:37 AM

Boy I love how a month ago any kind of trade with Toronto would have been blasphemy, oh their team is total trash, everyone and everything in Toronto is trash, no way we want or NEED any part of it. Now every other post is about what kind of a "good" trade there can be made with Toronto.

What a bunch of clowns.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 06:28 AM

Is he really tough? not really
Is he really offensive? not really
is he a shut down specialist? He's a decent defencemen.
Is he a power play specialist? No?
Is he a fast skating defencemen like Ehrhoff or Brian Campbell? No
Does he have? Not even size? MapleLeafs main website, which is the most accurate for player measurements have him listed 6'0 184lbs.


Is he really tough? Not every player needs to be as tough as nails man. I don't see how him not being incredibly tough is a reason to knock on him as a player.
Is he really offensive? Yes
is he a shut down specialist? He's a decent defencemen. He can hold his own back there. His skating and confidence on the puck comes in handy defensively as well. He is no shutdown specialist but again not ever player on a succesful team is going to be a shutdown speialist.
Is he a power play specialist? He is definitely on his way to being one. This guy quarterbacked the Leafs powerplay in his rookie season. A powerplay which was ranked top ten in the league. He has all the tools to be a powerplay specialist. Possesses a good knowledge of the game, can move the puck and has a pretty effective shot.
Is he a fast skating defencemen like Ehrhoff or Brian Campbell? Yes he does as a matter of fact. He has been compared to a young Brian Campbell on numerous broadcasts throughout last season.
Does he have? Not even size? MapleLeafs main website, which is the most accurate for player measurements have him listed 6'0 184lbs. Again some of the best players in this league aren't the biggest. Smaller players can strive in this league nowadays.

I am seriously beginning to question whether you have watched Gardiner at all this season. You are seriously undervaluing him as well as some of the other young players on the Leafs. You want Phil Kessel + for Luongo? You do know Phil Kessel is one of the most dangerous wingers in this league, a point per game player right? You want him for an aging goaltender with a bad contract? Come on really!?

I like Luongo, I think he is a good player. But your demands are unbelievable and you seem to be making judgements on players you haven't watched a lot of.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 01:00 PM

Kids on these boards i guess...

C`mon gais!!! What if Luc Bourdon didn`t get destroyed by a truck while riding his motorcycle and was still alive!1! imagine what our top 4 would look like!! Now imagine what our 4th line looked like if Rick Rypien didn`t suffer from an extreme case of depression and commit suicide!!! Wait gais wait!!! What if Derek Boogaard didn`t get his F*cking head smashed in and didn`t have an overdose and we traded for him!1! imagine our 4th line then!!!

You`re a moron buddy

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Now who is being insensitive? Maybe you should kick your own bitch ass. You flip out at the other poster for merely asking what our team would be like if Luc hadn't passed, but then you bring it to a whole new level by sensationalizing not one but 3 tragic deaths? Goddamn hypocrite, give your head a shake and get off your high horse. Luc would have been a great asset to our team. Never mentioning him again does not do his memory justice.

Yes, RIP, but may we never forget.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:08 PM

We definitely want Schenn of all their D men.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 03:07 PM

Schenn is only 22 and would be a great asset, Franson would also be nice. If we get either or both I would be quite happy with that.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 03:47 PM

I'm sorry do you know something everyone else doesn't? What is the fascination with discussing players like they have already been traded when it is clearly not the case.

And there is no remedy for this stupidity until July. Everyone in the organization can say there is no trade right now till they are blue in the face and everyone will still be here spewing this nonsense.


Well what do you think we will ask for?

the most appealing things they have to us are Gardiner and Schenn, and since the pick is not gunna happen, we will probably get atleast one of them. And I'm saying it as my guess, if you know anything about hockey, aswell as follow the team closely, you would agree that those are some of the pieces that we would be interested in.

Also.. do you know why we all make proposals? Cause it's fun and there is nothing else to do, people are just adding there opinons on what the team should do, and getting feedback from other "fans". if you don't like it don't come on here, its very simple.

And why would we believe them? GM's say things all the time, they deny things that are rumoured to happen and then they do happen.

Obvisously the team is talking to other teams about things, available players, trade possibilities. You would be stupid not to realize that it is happening, even if there aren't serious talks yet, we are still talking to other teams about things.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 03:50 PM

You know what. We should sign free agent Bryan Allen to pay top 4 with Alex Edler - scrap Leafs Defencemen. Also Sign Justin Schultz (if we can), and trade Ballard just to get him off the books and resign Salo to play with Tanev and or Schultz, keep a Rome or Alberts for depth.

Then let's trade Lou for Bozak and 5th overall pic.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 06:56 PM

Luongo for Jay Rosehill straight up! DO IT UP BROOOOO
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 07:26 PM

We definitely want Schenn of all their D men.


Don't like Schenn. Defensive liability right now; he could improve but he'll see no ice time under AV.
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Are you CRAZY??? Trade Green for ONE first round pick?? He's restricted after this season.... He WILL get an offer sheet for 7-8 million from a number of teams regardless if he plays another minute for us or not. That offer sheet would be worth 4 first round draft choices.


Some fans overrate their players, and then there is this guy.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:25 PM

It looks to be Schenn and 5th pick, but I want Gardiner and 5th pick.


If it's Schenn/5th overall or Gardiner/2nd rounder, I'd take the Schenn/5th overall easy days!
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:27 PM

Schenn, and a first or second rounder.. Time to build up the depleted pool of up-and-coming talent.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:36 PM

I prefer to get Komisarek and a prospect or two, now that I consider it a little more carefully. Canucks really need to address the back end size and toughness problem. A 240 plus pounder on the back end might help that. If Bieksa goes down for any reason, the team would be woefully exposed. It is not as if we have a line of big d-men kicking down the Canucks door to play, so getting something like this guy on the team will back other teams off our goalie. I am reminded of the Big Buff incident, the Finals last year, and a few others that I will not bother to list. We have a luxury of choice with our defense with regards to skill and mobility, but in gritty games, we are found lacking. With Kassian and maybe one or two other sandpaper guys, we could get past our achilles heel.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:52 PM

They'd be lucky to get Komisarek and a bag a pucks for Louie, his trade value is lower than a hounddogs testicles right now.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 10:09 PM

Please read the bolded statements from both of your quotes. I didn't bring up Leafs fans being hard on Schenn, you implied it and I agreed. I don't need their disdain to justify my opinion, I formed it by watching Luke Schenn play hockey for the last seven years. I lived in Kelowna when he played for the Rockets and have followed his career because I liked his style. However, he has developed some habits that make him a liability on the backend at a time when the Canucks need stability on the backend more than ever. Toronto fans have nothing to teach me about Schenn. (you might also want to look at what you wrote about Burke as it seems a little contradictory, just sayin).

Different =/= better. I agree that every defenceman makes mistakes, some more than others. Schenn belongs in the "more than others" category. I have no problem with AV as a coach except for a few minor details. He is superior to Wilson in many, many ways. What our team lacks is a defensive coach with a good head for the game. IMO Bowness does not do a very good job, and our defence has suffered for it. If we acquire Schenn, I dont have confidence Bowness has the chops to guide this kid to consistency. And my god, Schenn and Edler on the same pairing would be like a Keystone Cops routine in their own end. You just gave me goosebumps.

I agree that Schenn has positive elements to his game, that's why I like him. He's big, physical and protects his teammates. However, it is my opinion that we need stability and not projects, especially with Salos future in doubt. There are other defenceman to be had that offer similar elements without the risks. I could list my favourites but it would be speculation at best, because odds are they would need to be acquired using asset(s) not named Luongo and I dont know about you but I am getting pretty tired of reading proposals.



My comments about their fanbase was just that it will be as tough as ours. You were suggesting they are right and I made a comment that other players have been criticized greatly and turned into good players.

You mentioned that he had developed some poor habits and I would assume that is due to maybe being in a poor developmental team like Toronto. When he was on a good team like Kelowna, he actually looked like a decent player right?

Edler has a bad 2nd half of the year and suddenly he's a joke as well? Yes, something happened to the team last year that affected them overall. However, I find it hard to rag on a coaching staff that led us to two president's trophies, a cup finals and were knocked out by quite possibly the hottest team in the league at the time.

You've developed your opinion on Schenn and I have mine. We will just have to agree to disagree and see what happens if he does get traded to us. If not, then this is all moot anyway.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 11:31 PM

They'd be lucky to get Komisarek and a bag a pucks for Louie, his trade value is lower than a hounddogs testicles right now.


Based on what? His 5 mill cap hit, or the fact he only plans to play for 4-5 more years, or how the market is shallow with Thomas and Vokoun gone, or his regular season numbers that can easily get Toronto into the playoffs?
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Are you CRAZY??? Trade Green for ONE first round pick?? He's restricted after this season.... He WILL get an offer sheet for 7-8 million from a number of teams regardless if he plays another minute for us or not. That offer sheet would be worth 4 first round draft choices.


Some fans overrate their players, and then there is this guy.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 11:51 PM

They'd be lucky to get Komisarek and a bag a pucks for Louie, his trade value is lower than a hounddogs testicles right now.


That is, if pastor Louie wants to pray for the Leafs...
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 11:56 PM

That is, if pastor Louie wants to pray for the Leafs...


Way to add insight to the conversation there buddy....
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Are you CRAZY??? Trade Green for ONE first round pick?? He's restricted after this season.... He WILL get an offer sheet for 7-8 million from a number of teams regardless if he plays another minute for us or not. That offer sheet would be worth 4 first round draft choices.


Some fans overrate their players, and then there is this guy.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:41 AM

Way to add insight to the conversation there buddy....


oh, my apologies - I seem to be undervaluing that bag of pucks.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:00 AM

ANYONE who mentions Komisarek deserves a ban.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:24 AM

ANYONE who mentions Komisarek or Schenn deserves a ban.


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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:44 AM

oh, my apologies - I seem to be undervaluing that bag of pucks.


Most hockey pundits (people who are paid to analyze this stuff) disagree with you. You are too close/bitter to judge objectively but his numbers are pretty good for his cap hit.

Edit: Watching Schenn play, he's pretty terrible defensively. He has potential, but I would disagree if you think Schenn adds more to a team than Luongo. Luongo was a Vezina finalist and I haven't heard Norris consideration for Schenn.

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Are you CRAZY??? Trade Green for ONE first round pick?? He's restricted after this season.... He WILL get an offer sheet for 7-8 million from a number of teams regardless if he plays another minute for us or not. That offer sheet would be worth 4 first round draft choices.


Some fans overrate their players, and then there is this guy.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:49 AM

Gardiner or Schenn.


Gardiner AND Schenn. This is Luongo we're talking about; LUONGO.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 10:23 AM

Most hockey pundits (people who are paid to analyze this stuff) disagree with you. You are too close/bitter to judge objectively but his numbers are pretty good for his cap hit.

Edit: Watching Schenn play, he's pretty terrible defensively. He has potential, but I would disagree if you think Schenn adds more to a team than Luongo. Luongo was a Vezina finalist and I haven't heard Norris consideration for Schenn.


You are misunderstanding me here. What I was saying was that there is no way in hell the Canucks move a great goaltender like Luongo for a contract dump. Pastor Louie is not Luongo (google "pastor Louie" and you'll get the joke) - ie, you can't have the real Luongo for a low-ball offer like Komisarek ("and a bag of pucks" - hence my sarcasm in return). I don't want Schenn. In the end I think Luongo is worth three good pieces - Colborne, a first (or equivalent), and the rights to Franson is what I'd be interested in from the Leafs, but I'd rather see Lou go to the Panthers for a number of reasons.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 02:32 PM

Shea Weber!
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 03:54 PM

Gardiner or the 5th Round Pick, for Dumba or Murray
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 04:01 PM

None of them,do not deal with Burke.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:17 PM

None of them,do not deal with Burke.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:32 PM

That question presupposes we answered a previous question.
Do we want a Leafs defenseman?
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:57 PM

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