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Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:20 AM

I don't think he's necessarily trying to compare Mallet and MacKinnon, rather he's emphasizing how significant a feat it is to score 5 goals in a game in junior.

That's great to hear. He really had offensive upside in the Q. 5 goal games are a big deal in the Q and don't just happen by accident. Mackinnon did it as well but Crosby couldn't (both Mallet and Crosby played for the Oceanic). His 2nd year QMJHL numbers look quite similar to what MacKinnon is on pace for as well. MacKinnon will not have played quite as many games but then Mallet spent a lot of time in the box because he could fight too. Definitely a "flashes of brilliance" kind of guy. Easily worth a 2nd pick.


Lots of comparisons to me, but thats only part of how rediculous that post was
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:50 AM

Good to see him coming around, 8 points in his last 8 games. I think he will turn into a decent bottom 6 player, he just needs time.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:30 AM

That's great to hear. He really had offensive upside in the Q. 5 goal games are a big deal in the Q and don't just happen by accident. Mackinnon did it as well but Crosby couldn't (both Mallet and Crosby played for the Oceanic). His 2nd year QMJHL numbers look quite similar to what MacKinnon is on pace for as well. MacKinnon will not have played quite as many games but then Mallet spent a lot of time in the box because he could fight too. Definitely a "flashes of brilliance" kind of guy. Easily worth a 2nd pick.

When you're talking about hockey players like Crosby, MacKinnon, and Mallet, you're looking at a breed that only comes around every so often.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:29 AM

Mallet is Gillis trying to be different. How is he anything different than Archibald? Who throws a second round pick on an overage player who by far had his best season ever? Easily would have slipped way down. Could have signed him prior to the draft even.

I see more upside for Archibald without the added pressure of being a second round pick.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:08 AM

Mallet is Gillis trying to be different. How is he anything different than Archibald? Who throws a second round pick on an overage player who by far had his best season ever? Easily would have slipped way down. Could have signed him prior to the draft even.

I see more upside for Archibald without the added pressure of being a second round pick.


Gillis is a hipster GM. The Mallet pick was so not mainstream.

But great comparison. Both players were ranked in the fourth round. We are lucky to have gotten Archibald for free, I am surprised he didn't get picked. Even his rookie year in the OHL he scored 25 goals in 68 games.

Mallet and Archibald are two different players. Mallet skates well and is physical. Volpatti's NHL opportunity came off of 2 goals in 53 AHL games. Archibald's lack of food speed might inhibit him from making the NHL as a bottom 6 player.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:17 AM

Gotta think Mallet's getting called up now. Lets hope this recent offence translates into something decent at the AHL level
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:19 AM

Gotta think Mallet's getting called up now. Lets hope this recent offence translates into something decent at the AHL level


Yea, with Schroeder and Kassian likely gone from the Wolves, Mallet should have a good shot at being on the second line.

They're gonna need all the help they can get.

Probably see something like:

Sweatt Ebbett Haydar
Archibald Mallet Rodin
Sterling Longpre Davies

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:29 AM

Really want to see him excel in the AHL.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:26 PM

Add Grenier to the picture now. Would love to see him and Mallet play together. Maybe Mallet can rub off on Grenier and get him to play a little grittier.

Sweatt Ebbett Haydar
Archibald Mallet Grenier (Good size, good skating)
Rodin Longpre Sterling
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:32 PM

I can't believe you are comparing Mackinnon, a possible number 1 pick, with Mallet, an ECHL'er who was pointless in the AHL


Yes, because saying Mallet accomplished something that a potential #1 pick has accomplished is like saying they are EXACTLY THE SAME. You are seriously deficient.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

Add Grenier to the picture now. Would love to see him and Mallet play together. Maybe Mallet can rub off on Grenier and get him to play a little grittier.

Sweatt Ebbett Haydar
Archibald Mallet Grenier (Good size, good skating)
Rodin Longpre Sterling

I really, really hope that happens. That would be an awesome line with big boys that can hit and score.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

Yes, because saying Mallet accomplished something that a potential #1 pick has accomplished is like saying they are EXACTLY THE SAME. You are seriously deficient.


Where did I say exactly the same thing? I just found it rediculous that there is anything to compare between them. One is a 17 year old phenom, one is a guy who only put up points one year in junior as a 19 year old, then couldn't score till he got sent down to the ECHL. So what that he scored 5 goals in a game once, its called an anomaly
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:14 PM

Where did I say exactly the same thing? I just found it rediculous that there is anything to compare between them. One is a 17 year old phenom, one is a guy who only put up points one year in junior as a 19 year old, then couldn't score till he got sent down to the ECHL. So what that he scored 5 goals in a game once, its called an anomaly


Dude, learn to spell ridiculous. Ridiculous is thinking that a 5 goal game is an anomaly. He put up over 80 points that season.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

Dude, learn to spell ridiculous. Ridiculous is thinking that a 5 goal game is an anomaly. He put up over 80 points that season.


19 the season before, and 19 the season before that, how impressive.

Really, what shows me how valuable of a second round pick he was is the 0 points, -4 rating in 13 AHL games, stud

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:02 PM

19 the season before, and 19 the season before that, how impressive.

Really, what shows me how valuable of a second round pick he was is the 0 points, -4 rating in 13 AHL games, stud


Mallet's scoring problems have been easily diagnosed which is why he was picked. He was played as a 3rd or 4th liner grinding, checking and fighting for his first years in the Q. Then he got on the top six because someone realized he had talent and he put up 80+ points (and another 25 in 21 playoff games including 10 goals).

Then he gets a chance in the A and Arniel plays him on the 4th line. He can hit and fight and did both against the heat but got almost no time on the ice despite his 13 GP. The only guy who spent more minutes on the bench than Mallet was Arniel. Plus if you've been watching the Wolves at all this year, you'd be taking their production with a grain of salt given the botch job Arniel has done on that team. Arniel wouldn't have the coaching sense to play the Sedins together.

So Mallet goes down to the ECHL but he gets played as 4th liner for the first few games. Then he scores a goal and it's not garbage so they move him up and suddenly, he starts scoring again. Since then he's been going at a point a game and is 3rd for +/- on the team.

I'm sure you're getting the picture here. Mallet's production only suffers when he gets low minutes on checking lines. He's a top 6 power forward who has been forced to play as a grinder. His ceiling is very high but even if he doesn't reach it, he'll still be useful with his ability to fight and make big hits.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:13 PM

Really, what shows me how valuable of a second round pick he was is the 0 points, -4 rating in 13 AHL games, stud


He was playing on the 4th Line...

Add Grenier to the picture now. Would love to see him and Mallet play together. Maybe Mallet can rub off on Grenier and get him to play a little grittier.

Sweatt Ebbett Haydar
Archibald Mallet Grenier (Good size, good skating)
Rodin Longpre Sterling


I would like to see Grenier come over and Mallet get better opportunites but I doubt Rodin and Sterling (Who I believe is leading the team in points) are on the 3rd line. I think the Archie/Mallet/Grenier line would be the third line honestly. My line-up:

Sterling - Ebbett - Haydar (I think they are currently together and will be counted on to provide key offence)
Rodin - Longpre - Archibald (Can finally see Rodin in a T6 role, Archie has played well enough to stay in the T6)
Sweatt - Mallet - Grenier (Sweatt is the victim of Archie's play, but this should still be a nice 3rd Line)

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:50 PM

Mallet is Gillis trying to be different. How is he anything different than Archibald? Who throws a second round pick on an overage player who by far had his best season ever? Easily would have slipped way down. Could have signed him prior to the draft even.

I see more upside for Archibald without the added pressure of being a second round pick.


The Canucks were lacking a 3rd round pick, which is where they probably would have taken him if they had one.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:55 PM

I would like to see Grenier come over and Mallet get better opportunites but I doubt Rodin and Sterling (Who I believe is leading the team in points) are on the 3rd line. I think the Archie/Mallet/Grenier line would be the third line honestly. My line-up:

Sterling - Ebbett - Haydar (I think they are currently together and will be counted on to provide key offence)
Rodin - Longpre - Archibald (Can finally see Rodin in a T6 role, Archie has played well enough to stay in the T6)
Sweatt - Mallet - Grenier (Sweatt is the victim of Archie's play, but this should still be a nice 3rd Line)


Long-term I expect Schroeder to stick with the Canucks if Kesler's still out, while Ebbett gets sent back down, so I can agree with the 1st line - the Mighty Midgets. I'd probably switch Archibald over with Rodin as he only plays LW, whereas Rodin can play both.

Would also like to see that 3rd line. Gives Sweatt some much-needed size to work with.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:56 PM

Mallet's scoring problems have been easily diagnosed which is why he was picked. He was played as a 3rd or 4th liner grinding, checking and fighting for his first years in the Q. Then he got on the top six because someone realized he had talent and he put up 80+ points (and another 25 in 21 playoff games including 10 goals).

Then he gets a chance in the A and Arniel plays him on the 4th line. He can hit and fight and did both against the heat but got almost no time on the ice despite his 13 GP. The only guy who spent more minutes on the bench than Mallet was Arniel. Plus if you've been watching the Wolves at all this year, you'd be taking their production with a grain of salt given the botch job Arniel has done on that team. Arniel wouldn't have the coaching sense to play the Sedins together.

So Mallet goes down to the ECHL but he gets played as 4th liner for the first few games. Then he scores a goal and it's not garbage so they move him up and suddenly, he starts scoring again. Since then he's been going at a point a game and is 3rd for +/- on the team.

I'm sure you're getting the picture here. Mallet's production only suffers when he gets low minutes on checking lines. He's a top 6 power forward who has been forced to play as a grinder. His ceiling is very high but even if he doesn't reach it, he'll still be useful with his ability to fight and make big hits.


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:21 PM

Mallet scored again today in his teams 2-1 shootout win.

So make that 7 points in his last 5 games.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:23 PM

Some good points made in this thread, but I still think we need to temper our expectations with Mallet. He's a very raw player whose development needs to go just right. Some types of players you just know will find their way to becoming the player they're supposed to be, while for raw powerforwards with skill, it can be very easy for their development to go awry if not handled properly.

I'm NOT comparing these two players in any way, but Lucic is an example of a player whose development into a 25-30 goal, 50-60 point power forward was very fortunate. He's the kind of player who could have just as easily become an AHL plug or a goon.

All that being said, I'm quite optimistic about Mallet. Drafting may not be a strong suit of the Canucks organization but at the same time they're not idiots. I highly doubt they would draft Mallet in the 2nd round without a damn good reason. There's obviously something special there. Same thing with a guy like Rodin.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:27 PM

Mallet scored again today in his teams 2-1 shootout win.

So make that 7 points in his last 5 games.


Nice! If the score was 2-1 in a shootout that means Mallet scored the only goal for his team, That's always a good sign and an indication of your value to the team.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:37 PM

Now up to 9 points in 14 games - 8 points in his last 7, and 7 points in his last 5.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:40 PM

Some good points made in this thread, but I still think we need to temper our expectations with Mallet. He's a very raw player whose development needs to go just right. Some types of players you just know will find their way to becoming the player they're supposed to be, while for raw powerforwards with skill, it can be very easy for their development to go awry if not handled properly.

I'm NOT comparing these two players in any way, but Lucic is an example of a player whose development into a 25-30 goal, 50-60 point power forward was very fortunate. He's the kind of player who could have just as easily become an AHL plug or a goon.

All that being said, I'm quite optimistic about Mallet. Drafting may not be a strong suit of the Canucks organization but at the same time they're not idiots. I highly doubt they would draft Mallet in the 2nd round without a damn good reason. There's obviously something special there. Same thing with a guy like Rodin.


I agree that we shouldn't put the world on the kid's shoulders however I think Mallet also has a greater chance of reaching his potential than many draftees because he seems to have been gaining offensive skill despite being misplayed as a grinder. That's all him, working on that during games, adjusting and adapting while simultaneously playing a totally separate role. I think he's made it known that the 3rd line is not where he belongs and with the benefits of coaching and singular focus on generating points, he'll likely improve even more impressively.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:34 PM

would people be disappointed if he stays with the wings this season? I need more of a sample size but it looks like it helped archie find his offense this season.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

would people be disappointed if he stays with the wings this season? I need more of a sample size but it looks like it helped archie find his offense this season.

i wouldn't be disappointed, but I'd prefer him on the wolves.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:11 PM

How has he been lately? hard to get a read on that type of player from just looking at his stats
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:27 PM

Gillis is a hipster GM. The Mallet pick was so not mainstream.

But great comparison. Both players were ranked in the fourth round. We are lucky to have gotten Archibald for free, I am surprised he didn't get picked. Even his rookie year in the OHL he scored 25 goals in 68 games.

Mallet and Archibald are two different players. Mallet skates well and is physical. Volpatti's NHL opportunity came off of 2 goals in 53 AHL games. Archibald's lack of food speed might inhibit him from making the NHL as a bottom 6 player.

Gillis is a hipster gm.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 04:40 PM

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:02 PM

Mallet picked up a powerplay assist for Kalamazoo in a 4-2 loss to the Gwinnett Gladiators today. He also finished the game with 2 PIMS, 1 shot on net and a -1 rating.
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