250Integra Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I have no idea. Without Fehr in the room they seemed to make huge progress. Bring Fehr back in, therefore Bettman has to come back in, and we right back to the egomania again. I think the owners offer should be voted on. Its fair. The 7 year deals for teams that own the players is more than the owners wanted. The make whole was WAY more than the league wanted. I think the 10 year offer is so that we dont have to do this again for at least 10 years. I have no idea why the players wont take the deal and just go back to work. I think at this point the owners and players have a deal. They have to THROW IN THE EGO TOWELS and just sign the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drybone Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I think if the union agreed to the deal they would quickly put it back up on the table. 50/50 with 300 mil make whole 5/7 year deals 10 year CBA . At this point, what are they still arguing about? Make the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 It's amazing how different people on this board views the recent development. Lots of people and players are doubting Fehr after Bettman's speech. Very good speech mind you. HFboard majority is all for Owners and Bettman People who blame Bettman, they had what? 6 Owners in a room with the players. The richest one of them gave up(Larry Tanenbaum) and left the conference and the guy is all known to Unions. It's why he's rich. Then you know something is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 The players have been anything but smart during this negotiation, so it's not surprising that the NHL is taking their ball and going home. Donald Fehr is a parasite and has done nothing but muck this process up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 The players = cattle The league = the ranch The owners = the ranchers The fans = the bank And we can stop financing this whole operation if we want to. Don't give another dime to these clowns, they're not worthy of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I liked Bettman's presser. I got more info from it than I could imagine. He went into detail. He even confirmed whispers in the media that Bettman was under pressure to take make whole off the table a long time ago. Make whole was offered in order to get a 82 game season in. When that fell apart owners were telling him to take it off the table. Clearly this can not be blamed on Bettman now. All you Bettman haters need a new bogeyman and it should be the owners. Apparently even the most moderate owners are very upset after this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Based on what? Examples? The truth is, the players have given and given and offered to give more. The owners started off demanding far more than was sane and then backed off their new demands slightly and called it them making concessions. Even their last statement was that their "movement" to not ask for NEW changes to multiple contracting rights were off the table because the players didn't just take the deal they were offered and do what they were told. And it was the owners who, yet again, refused mediation. Fehr has a long, respected history in sports unions and helped create a union in the most stable pro sports league in North America. And Bettman's history? The most lost games in any professional league. The commissioner for the only sports league to lose an entire season due to a labor dispute. Oh, there's a parasite in the NHL all right, and his name is Gary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Here are statements from the onwers who were in the room. Statement from Ron Burkle: The idea to put players and owners together in the same room was a refreshing idea. Commissioner Bettman should be thanked for proposing it and the Fehrs should be thanked for agreeing to it. The players came with a strong desire to get back to playing hockey. They were professional and did a good job of expressing their concerns and listening to ours. We wanted to move quickly and decisively. We have all spent too much time without any real progress at the expense of our fans, our sponsor and the communities we serve. It was time to make bold moves and get a deal. Many people think we got over our skis and they are probably right, but we wanted to do everything we could to get back to hockey now. We didn’t hold back. We made substantial movement on our end quickly, but unfortunately that was not met with the same level of movement from the other side. The players asked us to be patient and keep working with them. It’s not what they do and they wanted us to know they were committed. We understood and appreciated their situation. We came back with an aggressive commitment to pensions which we felt was well received. We needed a response on key items that were important to us, but we were optimistic that we were down to very few issues. I believe a deal was within reach. We were therefore surprised when the Fehrs made a unilateral and “non-negotiable” decision – which is their right, to end the player/owner process that has moved us farther in two days than we moved at any time in the past months. I want to thank the players involved for their hard work as we tried to reach a deal. I hope that going backwards does not prevent a deal. Statement from Mark Chipman: “I’d like to thank the NHL for giving me the opportunity to participate in this very important process. I came here optimistic that we could find a solution. That sense of optimism grew after our first few sessions, including the small group discussions late last night. Regrettably, we have been unable to close the divide on some critical issues that we feel are essential to the immediate and long-term health of our game. While I sense there are some members of the players association that understand our perspective on these issues, clearly there are many that don’t. I am deeply disappointed that we were unable to bring this extremely unfortunate situation to a successful conclusion and I wish to apologize to our fans and sponsors for letting them down.” Statement from Larry Tanenbaum: “I was pleased to be asked to join the Player/Owner negotiation sessions. I had hoped that my perspective both as a businessman and as one of the owners of the Toronto Maple Leafs would be helpful to the process. Like all other teams, this work stoppage has hurt our fans, our employees and our business. Neither the owners nor the players will ever recover the losses incurred with this work stoppage. I understand how important it is to have a strong league and 30 healthy teams. I must admit that I was shocked at how things have played out over the last 48 hours. The sessions on Tuesday felt cooperative with an air of goodwill. I was optimistic and conveyed my optimism to the Board of Governors at our Wednesday meeting. However, when we reconvened with the players on Wednesday afternoon, it was like someone had thrown a switch. The atmosphere had completely changed. Nevertheless, the owners tried to push forward and made a number of concessions and proposals, which were not well-received. I question whether the union is interested in making an agreement. I am very disappointed and disillusioned. Had I not experienced this process myself, I might not have believed it. Like all hockey fans, I am hopeful this situation can be resolved as soon as possible. I miss our game.” Statement from Jeff Vinik: “After working this week with our players toward what we hoped would be a new agreement, owners presented a proposal we believed would benefit those great players, ownership, and, ultimately, our fans for many years to come. While trust was built and progress was made along the way, unfortunately, our proposal was rejected by the Union's leadership. My love for the game is only superseded by my commitment to our fans and I hold out hope we can soon join with our players and return the game back to its rightful place on the ice.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 /user/56721-chisoxin12/">chisoxin12: "I'm gonna watch me some NFL. Bye for now! Oh, and thanks Gary, great job controlling those greedy bas*ard owners." The Seahawks are lookin' damn fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I liked Bettman's presser. I got more info from it than I could imagine. He went into detail. He even confirmed whispers in the media that Bettman was under pressure to take make whole off the table a long time ago. Make whole was offered in order to get a 82 game season in. When that fell apart owners were telling him to take it off the table. Clearly this can not be blamed on Bettman now. All you Bettman haters need a new bogeyman and it should be the owners. Apparently even the most moderate owners are very upset after this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frazzY Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Fehr was a cancer in the mlb and now hes spreading it to the NHL! They should just take the offer! Your not football or soccer players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowhereman Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Based on what? Examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frazzY Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowhereman Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod Whoa. RT @reporterchris Hainsey says NHL told players last night that bringing Don Fehr back into the room was potentially "a deal-breaker" https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/...68882210385920 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxiebrown Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Fehr was a cancer in the mlb and now hes spreading it to the NHL! They should just take the offer! Your not football or soccer players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 A deal was within reach and the PA decided to change the goalposts, at the last minute. When you piss off straight-shooting moderates like Tanenbaum and Burkle, you're doing something pretty backhanded. They've been screwing around for months, stalling on proposals, and acting very, VERY unprofessional. Not to mention, they keep insulting the intelligence of the NHL/owners by submitting the same damn de-linked "50/50" split. They shouldn't have had the massive shares in revenue that they did to begin with. The Fehr bothers blather on about how the players "lost the last CBA", even though they made off like gangbusters. The NHL is trying to right the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxiebrown Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 A deal was within reach and the PA decided to change the goalposts, at the last minute. When you piss off straight-shooting moderates like Tanenbaum and Burkle, you're doing something pretty backhanded. They've been screwing around for months, stalling on proposals, and acting very, VERY unprofessional. Not to mention, they keep insulting the intelligence of the NHL/owners by submitting the same damn de-linked "50/50" split. They shouldn't have had the massive shares in revenue that they did to begin with. The Fehr bothers blather on about how the players "lost the last CBA", even though they made off like gangbusters. The NHL is trying to right the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 The question now is if the fans are prepared to lockout the NHL I know i am. I have no desire to support this league anymore. I might look on from the outskirts online, but i'm done paying for anything NHL. That includes all tv-related revenue as well. Screw this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 The players = cattle The league = the ranch The owners = the ranchers The fans = grass / hay And we can stop financing this whole operation if we want to. Don't give another dime to these clowns, they're not worthy of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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