The Bookie Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 It's because Bettman and Daly clearly don't even discuss these proposals with the owners. They seem to have been given absolute power in this whole thing. And since Bettman has promised the owner's a "home run",he won't agree to a deal unless it gets him everything he wants. No matter what the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 -Teams can now trade money. To encourage trades (and make that extra cap space that small market teams have worthwhile), NHL clubs will now be permitted to retain player salary when making trades – up to 15 percent of the upper limit in any league year. That doesn’t sound like a lot, but against a $67.5 million cap it’s a huge number, in excess of $10 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 http://blogs.edmonto...-give-and-take/ So Charles Wang could sign a 5-10m UFA in the summer, and then trade that player as soon as the season starts and keep the cap hit but not the salary? If I am reading that right, sounds like a pretty dangerous rule to have in play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Players Face palmed once again...and twitter lights up with angry players...not much longer for them to be caving to the pied piper lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Up to 15%. So if the upper limit is $67.5... then it would be up to $10.125M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Players Face palmed once again...and twitter lights up with angry players...not much longer for them to be caving to the pied piper lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Roman Hamrlik, reportedly says "I'm disgusted...time is against us. We lost 1/4 season, 425k, who's going to give it back to us, Mr Fehr"? YUMMY~! So it Begins..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Roman Hamrlik, reportedly says "I'm disgusted...time is against us. We lost 1/4 season, 425k, who's going to give it back to us, Mr Fehr"? YUMMY~! So it Begins..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 What am I missing? " ... players share, expressed in dollars, may not fall below its value for the prior season." That appears to be a $1.88 billion guarantee for the term of the agreement. Worse case scenario what of revenue drops below the $1.88 B. It appears that the Owners would eat the whole loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I'm suggesting that this could have some odd trade effects. For low spending teams, the game becomes acquire the big dollar UFA at trade deadline or UFA period, and then get rid of that player at the start of next season. It's a cap floor circumvention, where actual dollars spent could be lower than cap floor. If my calculations are correct, the NYI could be spending as little as 33.1m to hit the cap floor of 43.2m! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I'm suggesting that this could have some odd trade effects. For low spending teams, the game becomes acquire the big dollar UFA at trade deadline or UFA period, and then get rid of that player at the start of next season. It's a cap floor circumvention, where actual dollars spent could be lower than cap floor. If my calculations are correct, the NYI could be spending as little as 33.1m to hit the cap floor of 43.2m! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Can anybody translate Hamrlikese? http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/hokej-nhl/133514/hamrlik-je-znechucen-vyvojem-v-nhl-fehra-musime-pritlacit.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 http://espn.go.com/b...ffer-to-the-nhl here is the complete offer from the PA, on paper it looks amazing. a difference of 182million sure seems silly seeing as how the NHL stated they lost 100million from the Pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 As a player - you would steer clear of NYI (or any other team that may do that). If I am not mistaken -- the 'bonuses' in ELC are going to be removed from the Salary Cap hit.... which is what teams like NYI were using to get to the cap floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 If there is a season this year, first thing to happen is Visnovsky gets unloaded to a team like Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 What am I missing? " ... players share, expressed in dollars, may not fall below its value for the prior season." That appears to be a $1.88 billion guarantee for the term of the agreement. Worse case scenario what of revenue drops below the $1.88 B. It appears that the Owners would eat the whole loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 My sense is, the NHL is firm on *all* the contracting rights, and gave a BS explanation for each change. How can they justify increasing the UFA limit when all other leagues are much shorter? This is an NHL owner vs owner fight that can't be won. PA reaction I'd love to see: You change your governing board rules to 50/50+1 vote, Bettman steps down, and then we will come back to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted November 21, 2012 Author Share Posted November 21, 2012 NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman says both sides are "still far apart": NEW YORK, N.Y. - The NHL and NHL Players' Association finally seem to be speaking the same language, but they still have a gap to bridge in negotiations on a collective bargaining agreement. The union tabled a comprehensive proposal Wednesday that generated a tepid response from the league. However, commissioner Gary Bettman acknowledged the six-page offer was a step in the right direction and the document appeared to offer a path forward in talks, with the sides now envisioning the same type of economic system. "There was some movement in our direction and it was appreciated," said Bettman. "We're still far apart. But hopefully there's some momentum so we can bring this to a conclusion." The union proposed a 50-50 split of revenues during the five-year deal along with $393 million in deferred make whole payments throughout the agreement. Two weeks ago, the league offered $211 million and a 50-50 split. NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr acknowledged that his constituents are anxious to end the lockout and indicated that the new offer is "about as good" as the players are willing to make. "(The players) are suffering right along with the fans," said Fehr. "We made an enormous move in the owners direction to try and end it — at least as of today that hasn't been successful." Until now, the union had been pushing for a system that would see players paid a fixed amount of revenue each season rather than receiving a percentage of it. However, the new offer included some safeguards to ensure they'd be protected in the event league revenues stalled, including a clause that states the players' share can't drop from year to year. "The players are making enormous concessions to the owners and we want some protection on the downside," said Fehr. There is also ground still to cover on contract issues. The new NHLPA offer included a rule that would punish teams who sign players to long-term, back-diving contracts — something the league has identified as an important issue. It also called for players making more than $1-million in the minors to have their salary count against the salary cap. However, the union chose not adopt the NHL's proposed changes to unrestricted free agency, entry-level deals and salary arbitration, among other things. Some of those issues were discussed when the league and NHLPA reconvened Wednesday after the NHL had a chance to study the offer. "We went through their proposal point by point," said Bettman. "We talked about the things that were agreeable, we talked about the things that we could modify, we talked about the things that we had no more room to move on and explained our proposal on each of those elements." With the lockout into its 10th week, the sides are attempting to reach a deal that would see a shortened schedule played this season. The labour dispute has damaged the sport's business, with Bettman saying the league is losing between $18 and $20 million every day of the labour dispute. The commissioner indicated that he was surprised they hadn't already been able to reach an agreement. "We made a proposal (in October) to save an 82-game season and frankly we're all mystified as to why we're not playing in light of that offer and in light of the fact that the players are losing as a group between $8 and $10 million a day," said Bettman. "We could have been playing, we could have been continuing the momentum this game had on an offer and an agreement that was long term and fair. "So there's a lot about this process that one could scratch their head about." The sides are expected to touch base on Friday, but no further meetings have been scheduled. http://www.thescore.com/nhl/articles/384592-bettman-nhl-nhlpa-still-far-apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dittohead Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 This season is toast. You all get excited about a 1/2 season for the stanley Cup? F that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted November 21, 2012 Author Share Posted November 21, 2012 This season is toast. You all get excited about a 1/2 season for the stanley Cup? F that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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