Jump to content

Welcome to canucks.com Vancouver Canucks homepage

Photo

[Waivers] Jim Vandermeer


  • Please log in to reply
173 replies to this topic

#91 PRIMO88

PRIMO88

    K-Wing Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 76 posts
  • Joined: 30-May 12

Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:41 PM

My post subject wasn't strictly about who won the fight, but are you a UFC fan? When UFC first came out I think it was UFC 3 or 4 Joyce Grace beat his opponent by submission but was unable to continue to next fight. This was the first UFC Grace didn't win.

Just because you can't practice the next day doesn't mean you lost the fight.

Eager vs Kass fight was a draw.


Its Royce Gracie, please don't embarrass MMA again my completely molesting the name of the signal most influential fighter in history. Like saying Layne Smetzky
  • 1

#92 WHL rocks

WHL rocks

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,615 posts
  • Joined: 09-May 10

Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:41 PM

60% say it was a win for Kassian:

http://www.hockeyfig...ghtcard/reg2013


Hey Miller on a side note I was watching the Yotes game last night. They lost but Doan looked pretty good.

I was thinking about our conversations during his UFA days when Canucks were chasing him. I argued Doan was over priced and would not be worth it in 2+ years (age related decline) and you saying he would be worth it.

I look forward to see how this plays out over the next 4 years. But I'll tell you what, he was quite involved last night. Canucks sure could use someone like him. Hopefully Kassian continues to improve. Great showing last game.
  • 0

#93 WHL rocks

WHL rocks

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,615 posts
  • Joined: 09-May 10

Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:43 PM

Its Royce Gracie, please don't embarrass MMA again my completely molesting the name of the signal most influential fighter in history. Like saying Layne Smetzky

My bad. I wrote it as I pronounced it. But I can tell you I'm one of his biggest fans. Watched the very first UFC when it first came out and almost every single one since.

Tell you the truth today is the first time I thought about him or his name in a long long time. MMA has come a long way.

Edited by WHL rocks, 21 January 2013 - 05:45 PM.

  • 0

#94 Millerdraft

Millerdraft

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,509 posts
  • Joined: 02-March 04

Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:45 PM

As someone who has trained all my life including in mma and been in plenty of scraps I go with my judgement over an un regulated and non scientific internet poll voted on mostly by fans of 2 respective teams.


That's fine. I'm sure there are other MMA specialists on that site who voted otherwise. In fact, many MMA, or otherwise, fight enthusiasts visit that site frequently.
  • 0

Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


#95 WHL rocks

WHL rocks

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,615 posts
  • Joined: 09-May 10

Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:46 PM

That's fine. I'm sure there are other MMA specialists on that site who voted otherwise. In fact, many MMA, or otherwise, fight enthusiasts visit that site frequently.


How do you know this to be fact?
  • 0

#96 Millerdraft

Millerdraft

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,509 posts
  • Joined: 02-March 04

Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:54 PM

Hey Miller on a side note I was watching the Yotes game last night. They lost but Doan looked pretty good.

I was thinking about our conversations during his UFA days when Canucks were chasing him. I argued Doan was over priced and would not be worth it in 2+ years (age related decline) and you saying he would be worth it.

I look forward to see how this plays out over the next 4 years. But I'll tell you what, he was quite involved last night. Canucks sure could use someone like him. Hopefully Kassian continues to improve. Great showing last game.


Yeah, the guy is a beast. An Ox on skates that skates much better than you'd think an ox would.

I stand by that statement that he would've been the ideal tutor for Kassian's offensive (and defensive) game, on top of when to pick a fight (which I actually liked last night). I'm think Marty St. Louis will have a similar impact on that Conacher kid in Tampa (obviously not in regard to fighting lol).
  • 0

Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


#97 Millerdraft

Millerdraft

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,509 posts
  • Joined: 02-March 04

Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:55 PM

How do you know this to be fact?


Because I have brothers-in-law that frequent that site who have also trained their whole lives in various martial arts?

Edit: I ought to add friends and relatives to that list as well. I'm not a big fan of it, but I'll watch it from tie to time.

Edited by Millerdraft, 21 January 2013 - 05:57 PM.

  • 0

Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


#98 WHL rocks

WHL rocks

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,615 posts
  • Joined: 09-May 10

Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:59 PM

Because I have brothers-in-law that frequent that site who have also trained their whole lives in various martial arts?


And you are "sure other fight fans voted otherwise" because you called your brother in laws to ask how they voted?

Nice
  • 0

#99 Millerdraft

Millerdraft

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,509 posts
  • Joined: 02-March 04

Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:04 PM

And you are "sure other fight fans voted otherwise" because you called your brother in laws to ask how they voted?

Nice


Um, that's not the bolded part of the sentence I figured you wanted answered but no, I did not ask them as I'm almost positive none of them have hockeyfights.com accounts. ;)
  • 0

Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


#100 thad

thad

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,213 posts
  • Joined: 09-February 09

Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:07 PM

My post subject wasn't strictly about who won the fight, but are you a UFC fan? When UFC first came out I think it was UFC 3 or 4 Joyce Grace beat his opponent by submission but was unable to continue to next fight. This was the first UFC Grace didn't win.

Just because you can't practice the next day doesn't mean you lost the fight.

Eager vs Kass fight was a draw.


I disagree. I haven't rewatched it today so I could be wrong but it looked like kassian got a couple shots right in Eagers face and eager only landed 2 to the back of kassian a helmet. To me that is a 10-9 win for kassian.
  • 1

#101 surtur

surtur

    Canucks Rookie

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,786 posts
  • Joined: 19-March 10

Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:09 PM

hope he clears..

as for kassian i think he won the fight but either way what i really liked about that fight was he did not wait until Eager did something to the Sedins.
We all know what kind of a player Eager is and i can bet you he was not on the ice against the Sedins to do anything else then intimidate them (or run them if he gets the chance) I don't know if that is what Kass was thinking but he ended up taking Eager out of the game for a minimum of 5 min were the Sedins and everyone else can play with a little less worry about being run.
So he took him self off the Ice for 5 min how would everyone be reacting if a Sedin was run by this guy again and actually got hurt.

Win or Lose he did the right thing.
  • 0

Release The KraKassian
Kassianthe_Krakensm.jpg


#102 Ossi Vaananen

Ossi Vaananen

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,902 posts
  • Joined: 25-April 12

Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:28 PM

I think we're fine for toughness: Weise, Volpatti, Kassian, Lapierre (+20 lbs), Bieksa, Ballard (can fight), and Alberts if needed. Vandermeer was sent down due to having 9 D. I would have liked Barker to be the one waived, but he just signed and his contract is a one way. No sense in having 600k in the minors (of which the Wolves pay partial), when you can send down a guy making 200k at that level.
  • 0

2d7ye0p.jpg

 

Credit to -Vintage Canuck-


#103 allkill326

allkill326

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,270 posts
  • Joined: 30-May 12

Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:33 PM

Okay, so why sign Vandermeer in the first place?
  • 0
Posted Image

#104 Dazzle

Dazzle

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,056 posts
  • Joined: 27-June 06

Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

Okay, so why sign Vandermeer in the first place?


A magical word to excuse any signing for any amount of money called "depth". :bigblush:
  • 0
Posted Image --> THANKS EGATTI.

I have to say Dazzle's was the coolest. ROTFLOL


#105 goblix

goblix

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,028 posts
  • Joined: 01-July 10

Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

My post subject wasn't strictly about who won the fight, but are you a UFC fan? When UFC first came out I think it was UFC 3 or 4 Joyce Grace beat his opponent by submission but was unable to continue to next fight. This was the first UFC Grace didn't win.

Just because you can't practice the next day doesn't mean you lost the fight.

Eager vs Kass fight was a draw.


Lol you begin saying that you're statement wasn't about the fight and who won or loss but proceeded to say it was a draw.
I also wouldn't say that Eager not going to practice is the deciding factor to a fight win but overall Kassian did win the fight, drew blood, fought a douchbag player that everyone hates, and he proceeded to fist pump the crowd to rile up the crowd. This kid is awesome.
  • 0

#106 Pouria

Pouria

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,933 posts
  • Joined: 25-October 08

Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:10 PM

Some one once said if you keep trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results it means your are Insane. Canucks keep trying to win the Cup with a soft team year after year.

They should have kept Vandermeer and put him in the lineup when a tough team comes to town. He doesn't need to play big minutes or to play every game. They could even dress 7 Dmen for those games. Hopefully Vandermeer doesn't get claimed.

This is a ridiculous move. I thought MG had learned after losing to LA and BOS the last 2 years.


First of all, we aren't playing in the playoffs yet.
Secondly, our major problem is scoring not toughness right now. So your solution to our problem with our 2 top 6 forwards gone due to injury is to bring in more toughness and less scoring??
  • 0

Posted Image


#107 riffraff

riffraff

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,111 posts
  • Joined: 10-April 07

Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:22 PM

My post subject wasn't strictly about who won the fight, but are you a UFC fan? When UFC first came out I think it was UFC 3 or 4 Joyce Grace beat his opponent by submission but was unable to continue to next fight. This was the first UFC Grace didn't win.

Just because you can't practice the next day doesn't mean you lost the fight.

Eager vs Kass fight was a draw.


I'm not a UFC fan meaning I don't go out of my way to watch it....I gues I'm a casual mma fan.

But this is hockey and not mma.....and and take downs are over rated in hockey....most takedowns occur because. A guy is overmatched and would rather end the fight through wrestling his opponent to the ice rather than with punches....eager is also a cheap prick....that you can't argue....in his fight with bieksa even though he clearly out punched KB he still tried to injure bieksa by lifting him up by the pants....again this is hockey and there is a code.

Eager took some heavy shots underneath and while both off balance went for the takedown and through some cheap rabbit punches while on the ice for good measure.

At any rate eager wasn't at work today cos he was bloodied and beaten in a fight....while kassian whooped it up to the box and continued earning his pay today....

So if you're still gonna call that a tie a feel sorry for a true loser in your opinion.

Again mma is not the NHL.....people who confuse the two really don't know hockey. After all the objective of a hockey fight is not a hip toss or rear naked choke.....it's to beat the crap out of your opponents face whole standing up on your skates.

Edited by riffraff, 21 January 2013 - 07:25 PM.

  • 0
Posted Image


CanucksSayEh, on 12 March 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:
When the playoffs come around, nobody is scared of getting in a fight, but every night, they get their mom to check under the bed for Raffi Torres.

#108 Drop Em

Drop Em

    Comets Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 279 posts
  • Joined: 24-February 09

Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:24 PM

Who are you kidding? Barker has some former pedigree and with the current contract would be gone in a heartbeat. Puck moving D-man 2 years (injury-plagued) removed from a 40-point season. I liked the Vandemeer signing but he's a fringe NHL'er at this point.


Are we talking about the same Cam Barker? The same Cam Barker who was the worst defenseman on an Oilers team last year who were starving for quality veteran defensemen? The same Cam Barker who the Oilers fans hated because he was such a major liability on the ice and apparently off of it as well? The same Cam Barker who lacked lateral movement before he had his injury issues? Sorry, but if Vandermeer is a fringe NHL'er at this point, which I do agree with, then Barker is also.

I really hope that Vandermeer doesn't get picked up by anyone.
  • 0

#109 riffraff

riffraff

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,111 posts
  • Joined: 10-April 07

Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:32 PM

only a homer would say Kassian beat up Eager. Kassian landed 1 shot above the eye resulting in a cut. Eager landed 2 shots to the back of Kassian's head and took him down. It was a draw.

Edit: In a fight it's not how you start, it's how you finish. While Kass started strong with a punch he ended taking 2 shots to the head and going down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUXekjZLXB0


Btw:

You can punch me in the back of my helmeted head all night....bring takeout.

But can I drill you straight in the mush a couple times????

Hilarious assessment of a fight.
  • 0
Posted Image


CanucksSayEh, on 12 March 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:
When the playoffs come around, nobody is scared of getting in a fight, but every night, they get their mom to check under the bed for Raffi Torres.

#110 WHL rocks

WHL rocks

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,615 posts
  • Joined: 09-May 10

Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:32 PM

Lol you begin saying that you're statement wasn't about the fight and who won or loss but proceeded to say it was a draw.
I also wouldn't say that Eager not going to practice is the deciding factor to a fight win but overall Kassian did win the fight, drew blood, fought a douchbag player that everyone hates, and he proceeded to fist pump the crowd to rile up the crowd. This kid is awesome.


I begin by stating fact about my previous post not the current post which you refer to. I don't know whats humorous (lol) about that.

First of all, we aren't playing in the playoffs yet.
Secondly, our major problem is scoring not toughness right now. So your solution to our problem with our 2 top 6 forwards gone due to injury is to bring in more toughness and less scoring??



First of all, we aren't playing in the playoffs yet.
Secondly, our major problem is scoring not toughness right now. So your solution to our problem with our 2 top 6 forwards gone due to injury is to bring in more toughness and less scoring??


Where and/or when did I say we shouldn't bring in scoring? What does keeping Vandy as the 8th Dman have to do with not wanting to bringing in scoring?

On not needing toughness until the ply offs I disagree. A team needs to be tough all season and other teams need to know about it. Most players in the NHL think Canucks are soft. This is not a good rep to have.
  • 0

#111 WHL rocks

WHL rocks

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,615 posts
  • Joined: 09-May 10

Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:35 PM

I'm not a UFC fan meaning I don't go out of my way to watch it....I gues I'm a casual mma fan.

But this is hockey and not mma.....and and take downs are over rated in hockey....most takedowns occur because. A guy is overmatched and would rather end the fight through wrestling his opponent to the ice rather than with punches....eager is also a cheap prick....that you can't argue....in his fight with bieksa even though he clearly out punched KB he still tried to injure bieksa by lifting him up by the pants....again this is hockey and there is a code.

Eager took some heavy shots underneath and while both off balance went for the takedown and through some cheap rabbit punches while on the ice for good measure.

At any rate eager wasn't at work today cos he was bloodied and beaten in a fight....while kassian whooped it up to the box and continued earning his pay today....

So if you're still gonna call that a tie a feel sorry for a true loser in your opinion.

Again mma is not the NHL.....people who confuse the two really don't know hockey. After all the objective of a hockey fight is not a hip toss or rear naked choke.....it's to beat the crap out of your opponents face whole standing up on your skates.


That's why most NHL fighter train in MMA in the of season right. Including Kevin Bieksa.

A punch in the head is a punch in the head, I don't care if it's on the ice, in a bar, in a boxing ring or octagon. They all hurt.
  • 0

#112 riffraff

riffraff

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,111 posts
  • Joined: 10-April 07

Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:40 PM

That's why most NHL fighter train in MMA in the of season right. Including Kevin Bieksa.

A punch in the head is a punch in the head, I don't care if it's on the ice, in a bar, in a boxing ring or octagon. They all hurt.


Agreed....but hurts more without a helmet.
  • 0
Posted Image


CanucksSayEh, on 12 March 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:
When the playoffs come around, nobody is scared of getting in a fight, but every night, they get their mom to check under the bed for Raffi Torres.

#113 WHL rocks

WHL rocks

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,615 posts
  • Joined: 09-May 10

Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:44 PM

Agreed....but hurts more without a helmet.

Agreed.... you should watch the fight again to see if Kassian's helmet was on.

http://www.youtube.c...&v=BUXekjZLXB0#!

Edited by WHL rocks, 21 January 2013 - 07:45 PM.

  • 1

#114 SOB for MVP

SOB for MVP

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,548 posts
  • Joined: 23-January 10

Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:50 PM

pick him up MG
  • 0

Posted Image

sig by -VC-


#115 Pouria

Pouria

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,933 posts
  • Joined: 25-October 08

Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:51 PM

That's why most NHL fighter train in MMA in the of season right. Including Kevin Bieksa.

A punch in the head is a punch in the head, I don't care if it's on the ice, in a bar, in a boxing ring or octagon. They all hurt.


A clean punch to the face hurts even more and could end a player's career. Anyone could punch someone's head but it takes skills to punch someone square in the face. Eager's rabbit punches to the back of the head was pretty pathetic. In a boxing match, Kassian is the winner.
  • 0

Posted Image


#116 Mike27

Mike27

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,817 posts
  • Joined: 05-August 05

Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:25 PM

Given MG's comments today that he has an offer in place with a team that has to make a move first, I wonder if he is waiving Vandermeer to make room for a one (Luongo?) for two trade?
  • 0
Trade Bieksa? Not even if it was a one for one deal for a guy like Ovechkin. And I am being serious. Linden53

#117 Trebreh

Trebreh

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,048 posts
  • Joined: 02-April 07

Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:28 PM

Given MG's comments today that he has an offer in place with a team that has to make a move first, I wonder if he is waiving Vandermeer to make room for a one (Luongo?) for two trade?


what did he say??
  • 0

#118 Millerdraft

Millerdraft

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,509 posts
  • Joined: 02-March 04

Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:37 PM

Given MG's comments today that he has an offer in place with a team that has to make a move first, I wonder if he is waiving Vandermeer to make room for a one (Luongo?) for two trade?


Where'd you hear/read that?

Edit: Nevermind. Found it:

http://www.vancouver...1324/story.html

Edited by Millerdraft, 21 January 2013 - 08:44 PM.

  • 0

Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


#119 oldnews

oldnews

    Declining Grinder

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,823 posts
  • Joined: 30-March 11

Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:45 PM

I'm with Shorty: 10-8 Kassian.

I like Vandermeer but if we look at what's going to help win games I think it's hard to ignore his underlying numbers - he faced the second weakest competition of anyone on the Sharks last year, had the 5th worst relative corsi, and had 53.1% offensive zone starts - he a great character guy who is very solid and those are valuable intangibles, but having that role filled by a blueliner is not ideal.
  • 0

#120 BuretoMogilny

BuretoMogilny

    Canucks Rookie

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,602 posts
  • Joined: 26-August 12

Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:49 PM

Where'd you hear/read that?

Edit: Nevermind. Found it:

http://www.vancouver...1324/story.html


Rumour circulating on twitter - Hartnell and a first...team has to make a move? ie move bryz...
  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Canucks.com is the official Web site of The Vancouver Canucks. The Vancouver Canucks and Canucks.com are trademarks of The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership.  NHL and the word mark and image of the Stanley Cup are registered trademarks and the NHL Shield and NHL Conference logos are trademarks of the National Hockey League. All NHL logos and marks and NHL team logos and marks as well as all other proprietary materials depicted herein are the property of the NHL and the respective NHL teams and may not be reproduced without the prior written consent of NHL Enterprises, L.P.  Copyright © 2009 The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership and the National Hockey League.  All Rights Reserved.