D-Money Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Most goalies decline in their mid-30's. If Luongo hasn't yet GREAT - but we should trade him before he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Firstly, this is not another Luongo trade thread, it's something no one has even mentioned or discussed yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwnstar Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Firstly, this is not another Luongo trade thread, it's something no one has even mentioned or discussed yet. Right now, Luongo sits at 2nd in all of the league in terms of GAA and Save % at career bests of 1.53 and 0.940 respectively. Sure, he's only played a handful of games, but the last time he went through a stretch better than this was the 2 consecutive seasons where he put up 3 shutouts in a row. So is Luongo just starting to hit his prime this season? He's only 33 years old, which is usually around the time goaltenders tend to hit their best patches of play. It historically takes far longer for goalies to hit their prime than skaters, and Luongo is bang in that goalie-prime age. Brodeur is 40 now but had his best-ever season when he was 34 (48 wins, an NHL record). Tim Thomas had one of the best seasons ever by a goaltender after a few ups-and-downs in his career when he was 36. Now we've all seen how good Luongo was in the first season here in Vancouver, putting up record numbers and carrying a very bad team to the playoffs. He was fairly consistent after that, but now that he's coming into his prime he's putting up numbers far greater than ever before. The characteristic slow starts for this guy are over, and this could be a sign of things to come. Obviously it would be the worst move in hockey if MG were to trade Luongo during the prime of his career - trading an all-time top 10 NHL goaltender at any time would be a mistake, let alone in his prime. So my question is, is he just starting to play the best hockey of his career or is that long gone and over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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smurf47 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I think his play is influenced more by the fact that he has no pressure and is just having fun again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Firstly, this is not another Luongo trade thread, it's something no one has even mentioned or discussed yet. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bissurnette Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 You say the same thing every single day over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and overover and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again. over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and overover and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again. that is literally all i see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Man do you even watch any games? All you say is how Luongo is god and how Schneider sucks and will never come close to him everyday. Lu was in his prime when he got here which is quite obvious. You can't play as good as he did when he first got here and not be in your prime.... Trading Lu in his prime wouldn't be close to the worst trade in hockey.... it's called being smart since he's near the end of his prime and Schneider is just entering his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamacanuck15 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 AV might think so. He starts tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Led Zeppelin sandwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 This is probably the 1000th time I saw the OP make a post how much he loves Luongo. What's wrong with keeping both goalies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Yes. He's been in his prime for many years now. He will inevitably start to decline in the upcoming seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 the question should be is Luongo still in his prime and when he will start noticeably decline IMO he should have a solid 3 seasons left. After that it is a guessing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonz Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Actually l, I haven't notice his swan dive or belly flop too much this year maybe once or twice. It could be he worked on his weaknesses in the summer with the other goalie coach. Or could be bc he's playing good and with confidence si far, especially the majority of competition hasn't been as challenging except for ducks shark and hawk games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Firstly, this is not another Luongo trade thread, it's something no one has even mentioned or discussed yet. Right now, Luongo sits at 2nd in all of the league in terms of GAA and Save % at career bests of 1.53 and 0.940 respectively. Sure, he's only played a handful of games, but the last time he went through a stretch better than this was the 2 consecutive seasons where he put up 3 shutouts in a row. So is Luongo just starting to hit his prime this season? He's only 33 years old, which is usually around the time goaltenders tend to hit their best patches of play. It historically takes far longer for goalies to hit their prime than skaters, and Luongo is bang in that goalie-prime age. Brodeur is 40 now but had his best-ever season when he was 34 (48 wins, an NHL record). Tim Thomas had one of the best seasons ever by a goaltender after a few ups-and-downs in his career when he was 36. Now we've all seen how good Luongo was in the first season here in Vancouver, putting up record numbers and carrying a very bad team to the playoffs. He was fairly consistent after that, but now that he's coming into his prime he's putting up numbers far greater than ever before. The characteristic slow starts for this guy are over, and this could be a sign of things to come. Obviously it would be the worst move in hockey if MG were to trade Luongo during the prime of his career - trading an all-time top 10 NHL goaltender at any time would be a mistake, let alone in his prime. So my question is, is he just starting to play the best hockey of his career or is that long gone and over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshinefe Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Firstly, this is not another Luongo trade thread, it's something no one has even mentioned or discussed yet. Right now, Luongo sits at 2nd in all of the league in terms of GAA and Save % at career bests of 1.53 and 0.940 respectively. Sure, he's only played a handful of games, but the last time he went through a stretch better than this was the 2 consecutive seasons where he put up 3 shutouts in a row. So is Luongo just starting to hit his prime this season? He's only 33 years old, which is usually around the time goaltenders tend to hit their best patches of play. It historically takes far longer for goalies to hit their prime than skaters, and Luongo is bang in that goalie-prime age. Brodeur is 40 now but had his best-ever season when he was 34 (48 wins, an NHL record). Tim Thomas had one of the best seasons ever by a goaltender after a few ups-and-downs in his career when he was 36. Now we've all seen how good Luongo was in the first season here in Vancouver, putting up record numbers and carrying a very bad team to the playoffs. He was fairly consistent after that, but now that he's coming into his prime he's putting up numbers far greater than ever before. The characteristic slow starts for this guy are over, and this could be a sign of things to come. Obviously it would be the worst move in hockey if MG were to trade Luongo during the prime of his career - trading an all-time top 10 NHL goaltender at any time would be a mistake, let alone in his prime. So my question is, is he just starting to play the best hockey of his career or is that long gone and over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshinefe Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 This is probably the 1000th time I saw the OP make a post how much he loves Luongo. What's wrong with keeping both goalies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmotamed Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I miss Lu the workhorse that could play 65 games and win almost 75% of those! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 It would be pretty hard to argue conclusively that Cory is at any established goalie's level or even in his prime til he actually plays a full season. It's just a guess. I am very confident he will play lights out, enter into his prime and establish himself enough for people to speculate on whether he is on Luongo's or Rinne's or Lundqvist's or whomever's level, but I cannot KNOW that at this stage. Anyone who has an appreciation for statistics would understand that although Schneider is extremely talented and will very likely post amazing number from here on, it is no guarantee, nor does it prove to any degree that he is on any elite goalie's level. I in no way doubt Cory, but to say from an objective point of view he is on any elite goalie's level is absurd at this stage, and it is equally fallacious to argue that he is in his prime (when prime is actually defined by the best playing stretch of a player's career, and therefore can only be judged with a decent sample size). Sample size matters. To further clarify, if I said Lundqvist is on Brodeur's level ability wise, the question then posed to me would be "How do you know that?". Which would then be followed by point to point comparisons with regards to their careers. Schneider just does not have much of a body of work as of yet to do such a comparison, and even if you were to make a few good points with regards to his style etc, your argument's certainty would still be predicated on and limited by his as of yet short career. I've seen you say this many times now (*is a perpetual lurker*) and it just is not an objective statement by any stretch of the imagination. If you define "prime" as merely an age group, then your statement stands there, but the ability comparison is garbage. /endrant To the OP: Luongo is definitely still in his prime. As of yet it is impossible to know if he is going to decline, hold on, or even have some better years. Goalies are weird that way. I do think though that given how good the Canucks are, and how Cory has handled thus far, even if he has an adjustment period with taking over as the starter he is probably the guy to go with. Don't get me wrong, Lou could easily backstop this team (as he has for so long) for the forseeable future, but the way things have panned out it is probably best that he gets a fresh start somewhere else and Cory is given the reins. One would think that with the team we have the risks are minimal going with the younger Schneider. Lou is more proven, but given the overall context of the team and the events that have unfolded, we have to go with Cory. We will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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