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#61 Rick 2.0

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:59 PM

They will not be trading either goalie this season.That plan failed.Players need to know there role and do it stop trying to be a scorer when your not .And you would think after years of no success at shootouts and giving away points you would change what you do in them .


Kesler's leg kick wrister and Burrows' backhand-top-shelf attempts are predictable. Though I admit, Higgins was a surprise shootout change tonight and he didn't disappoint with that beauty of a goal. Not sure why Kassian hasn't been given another shot. Same with Raymond. Or Hansen. I'd even stick a Sedin in there if they could try a little harder in one-on-one situations. Shootouts this year (while I hate them) are very important in this shortened season, and I think giving some non-regular shooters a chance to be creative would catch the opposition off guard a bit. Or at least make it interesting

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:00 AM

If it were that easy, don't you think Gillis would have done that already?

No teams out there have been offering anything serious, so he has to be patient. That's all he can do


If he really was agressively trying to find a top 6 player, he would have ofersheeted Benn.

I remember when Neal got traded to Pitt, the same time we were looking for a top 6 forward.

The Pens gave up Goligoski for Neal and Niskanen, Hell, i would have traded Edler for that package.

This team doesnt have scoring threat outside of the Twins, Kesler and Burrows.

His patience is starting to piss me off. We've waiting nearing a year now for the Imminent Luongo trade and still nothing to show for it.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:06 AM

Also folks, you think other teams don't want Schneider? You guys must be crazy then.


The Vancouver Canucks have been getting offers for Cory Schneider at least since 2006. I remember Eric Fehr was offered for him, way back in like 2006 or was it 2007 Recently we heard Tampa Bay was interested in him more then Luongo. Of course people want him. He's good.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:11 AM

If he really was agressively trying to find a top 6 player, he would have ofersheeted Benn.

I remember when Neal got traded to Pitt, the same time we were looking for a top 6 forward.

The Pens gave up Goligoski for Neal and Niskanen, Hell, i would have traded Edler for that package.

This team doesnt have scoring threat outside of the Twins, Kesler and Burrows.

His patience is starting to piss me off. We've waiting nearing a year now for the Imminent Luongo trade and still nothing to show for it.


If getting Benn were as easy as sending out an offer sheet, every other team in the league would have done it. Offer sheets don't work unless you severely overpay like Edmonton did for Penner.

If we don't have scoring outside those players, how is it that Raymond and Kassian have as many goals as Zetterberg, Getzlaf, Kovalchuk, Giroux, Ovechkin, and Eberle?

Nothing is ever as bad as it seems. MG is in charge because he's patient. If fans had their way this team would make desperation moves all the time and be worse for it.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:13 AM

I second that. Get us a game changer. Not another David Booth. Evander Kane would look great here. But no way in hell Lou waives his NTC for peg. So a three way deal would have to get it done.

To Van- Kane
To Florida- Luongo Raymond and a first then
To Winnipeg- Raymond and Weiss


Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't any deal, including a three way, involve a sacrifice from each party?

Looks like a literal steal for Florida. Its like Vancouver is just going to hand over to them Luongo, Raymond, and a first rounder, thank you very much. Then we are going to look at Winnipeg and somehow get them to trade their franchise player Kane for Raymond and Weiss?

edit: Ok correction, so Florida sacrifices the newly acquired Raymond. Still a steal for them, namely Lu and our first for free. :mellow:

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:35 AM

Schneider, Bieksa/Garrison/Edler, Booth to WSH for Ovechkin, Alzner or Carlson, pick/prospect?


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:37 AM

If getting Benn were as easy as sending out an offer sheet, every other team in the league would have done it. Offer sheets don't work unless you severely overpay like Edmonton did for Penner.

If we don't have scoring outside those players, how is it that Raymond and Kassian have as many goals as Zetterberg, Getzlaf, Kovalchuk, Giroux, Ovechkin, and Eberle?

Nothing is ever as bad as it seems. MG is in charge because he's patient. If fans had their way this team would make desperation moves all the time and be worse for it.


Not going by a one game decision but I m sure our team could use something, as to what that is..MG knows best.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:45 AM

I wouldn't be opposed if there's a high end player out there. But I'm not about to start handing out any good young players or 1sts to get a rental though. Your not getting elite young players unless your sending one back.

This is a mid season slump. We're not playing terrible but were just not doing enough to win games. This reminds me of the end of the season last year and the LA series. Not playing hard enough to win but still playing hard. We're a good team, we'll work out of this. It's better to do this now then going into the playoffs... You watch, the hawks will have a mediocre finish to the season and raise questions at the end of the year like we did last year.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:25 AM

None of us know what has been offered for Louie so far. Maybe it wasn't something MG could live with. I appreciate his patience on one hand, BUT he's got to get something back this deadline. Our window is closing fast. He screwed up trading away one of our top scorers last year in Hodgson (not against Kassian, but the timing was atrocious) I hope he doesn't screw this up as well, because he is over-valuing Louie, or is arrogant enough to believe we don't need any more help. Even a rental would be great. Even if they don't stick next year, we will always have that saved cap space. I know its against MGs philosophy to trade for a rental, but like another poster pointed out almost every Cup winning team has bulked up with an elite potential rental (potentially a keeper) at the deadline.

After a blistering start, signing Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, getting Tanev, Hansen, Higgins, Emperor MG is starting to show that he's not wearing many clothes. The long term Lu deal was awful and a millstone contract around the Canucks neck. I've already talked about the timing of the Hodgson deal.

MG should have made a deal last Summer on Lu. The main reason is that even if he just made a salary dump type deal, and got a couple of long shot prospects and a bag of pucks, he would have had the 5.5 million cap space to work with when the season started. And another important development would be that Schneider would be in a way better place mentally knowing his role that he really is our number one. He would have been able to start the season better prepared to handle the job and acclimatizing himself to the responsibility much sooner.

Now he has to get back a substantial asset as there are no more free agents to sign. He's waiting around for something that may never come as so many teams are doing just fine with their goaltending. His stubbornness might just cost us again as we will be forced to retain both goalies and have around a half a million in player salary, give or take, sitting watching on the bench every night of the playoffs, no matter which one.

Then there's Garrison. Where did that come from? Almost out of the blue. No one was pining for this average defenseman and his 4.6 million price tag.

I'm rapidly losing my trust in Gillis.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:45 AM

I 100% agree- we are not elite. Garrison is a joke, Kesler shows why he has to play on a line alone. Booth is not the answer.
Go all in, use our cap space, use a prospect/pick get a guy that takes us to the next level.
I'd even throw in Kassian if it brings us a big game breaker.


:) You seem to be a real pro talking facts here. The joke is not Garrison. The joke is _ _ _! Take a guess, starts with a Y!

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:00 AM

Hammer/Eddy/Garry/Bally/Tanev/Juice.

You are s)*(^ out of luck, we already have a good d-corps. They just have to execute cleanly, and keep it simple.

Unless of course you want something like Drew Doughty's -11.


Lol your sig is hilarious, Kes got a little butt tap in there ah. VIOLATION! :bigblush:
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:01 AM

Seriously, we have what ~3.5M in Cap space


No, we don't. Manny's cap hit is still on the books.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:01 AM

No way in hell they trade Evander Kane more like it. It would take something like Kesler plus a first and Tanev (that probably wouldn't get it done either, considering how they want to build up not lose a key piece for an older guy) to get Kane, not Luongo.


Kessler, Tanev and a 1st for Kane?

Serriously?

Evander Kane is one of the most overated players in the NHL

He scored 30 goals once....big f'n deal, Raymond has come close to that mark.

Should we ask Carolina for J. Stall and a 1st for raymond?

Evander Kane will NEVER be more than a 50-60 PT player in the NHL.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:03 AM

MG obviously is waiting for the bandwagon cdc'er to get off the wagon before making a trade so he'd hear a lot less b!$@#ing and whining
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:05 AM

Lol your sig is hilarious, Kes got a little butt tap in there ah. VIOLATION! :bigblush:


Woulda been better if it was his nose doing the tapping.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:26 AM

I hope AV, MG and DJ dave is taking notes. DJ dave do you see how in chicago they never play rihanna in the arena. DO you see how they always seem to be playing things that try to pump up the crowd. I heard that rihanna song again just last game at home and I couldn't believe it. I thought we all understood that we didn't want that to be played again. Do you think canuck players listen to that while they are working out?


buddy, Chicago is a notoriously intense sports-crazy city. Vancouver isn't. In fact, Vancouver is known for being the exact opposite: boring. Music doesn't make the Chicago crowds great, Chicago's culture is what makes their crowds great.

Do you honestly think playing the same Metallica song we've all heard 15,000 times is what does that?

Vancouver is a town without a culture, and Rogers Arena is a corporate crowd, and THAT is your problem.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:27 AM

I'm not pleased with the way MG is managing this team. He overestimates the strength of the team and fails to correctly identify/address its weaknesses. He is way too patient and content with the status quo to make any necessary changes. How has the team changed since getting bounced out by LA in the 1st round? One defenseman added and two lost. That does not cut it. Other teams are making changes and getting stronger while MG sits idly on his a ss waiting for a miracle to drop from the sky.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:34 AM

No way in hell they trade Evander Kane more like it. It would take something like Kesler plus a first and Tanev (that probably wouldn't get it done either, considering how they want to build up not lose a key piece for an older guy) to get Kane, not Luongo.


Wait wait... Are you talking about Sidney Crosby? Or e. Kane?


O... It's you... No wonder
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:55 AM

The best move so far IMO would have been Luongo for Schenn, and then swapping Schenn for JVR.

Although I'm hoping there's still a better move out there.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:05 AM

buddy, Chicago is a notoriously intense sports-crazy city. Vancouver isn't. In fact, Vancouver is known for being the exact opposite: boring. Music doesn't make the Chicago crowds great, Chicago's culture is what makes their crowds great.

Do you honestly think playing the same Metallica song we've all heard 15,000 times is what does that?

Vancouver is a town without a culture, and Rogers Arena is a corporate crowd, and THAT is your problem.


Yep Yep. In fact I'd argue all the recent dust-up over the music ('NU2') is emblematic of this, that we feel we can always point at something else that is wrong and should be a simple fix (see the endless Ballard, Raymond, Weise scapegoatism around here) to make everything right with the team.

It is the fan base. We're way too casual and take success and regular hockey for granted. Booting the Southsiders from the game last week (and seeing people justify with 'they blocked people's view!!!') just cemented it for me. We need to pick it up people.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:12 AM

Sure glad you're not the GM. Throw in Kassian? this guy is going to be the next great power forward with some more game experience. Have some patience, it's not like the Canucks are on a big slide.


quite sniffing the glue bro- the guy has been invisible outside of the first 5 games and no one is invisbile when they are on the sedin line
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:22 AM

Seriously, we have what ~3.5M in Cap space, we have 2 Goalies that are spectacular and either of them can be moved to free up a huge amount of Cap space and we have too many players that makes the team disjointed.

What I mean is that we have a first line that is solid, we have too many players competing for the 2nd line and AV puts the wrong players on lines. We have Higgins, Raymond, Booth, Kassian who could all be on the 2nd line and then we have a great 3rd C in Schroeder and a great winger in Hansen, Raymond has been stellar on that line, so no reason to blow that up.

Are we happy with the AMEX Line being our 2nd line? I don't think so. Instead trade one of them along with one of our goalies and get someone of SUBSTANCE.

Look at what the past Cup winners have done, made huge acquisitions before going onto win the cup even though on paper they already had an amazing team. Case in point? LA Kings acquiring Jeff Carter.

Moreover, by not having a solid 2nd line it leads to our 4th line being weak as a skilled player who isn't tough is on a line that is meant to be rough and tough. Our 4th line should be Weise - Lappy - Volpatti.


I'd enjoy that, but history shows most big time trade deadline acquisitions never really pan out or even help the team win the cup.

The odd one like Carter works out to help, but it's pretty rare
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:21 AM

I'd like a defenseman who actually knows how to play defense...


Right, because with basically 3/4 of the season left before playoffs Edler, Hamuis, Bieksa, and Garrison will not be able to settle down and play some great hockey.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:24 AM

No one will give us a Jeff Carter type of player with Luongo. Stop drinking the GMMG juice, it's not true that there is a lot of interest for luongo.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:35 AM

I second that. Get us a game changer. Not another David Booth. Evander Kane would look great here. But no way in hell Lou waives his NTC for peg. So a three way deal would have to get it done.

To Van- Kane
To Florida- Luongo Raymond and a first then
To Winnipeg- Raymond and Weiss


Oh man if they trade Kane here he can take as many pics of him and his cash as he wants, I'll support him, that dude is literally money in the bank, hahahahahha
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:05 AM

The owners are happy they can put a couple of extra mil in their gucci's and the sheeple keep buying tickets no matter how their treated same as Toronto why would they mess with success.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:06 AM

gillis needs to swallow his pride, accept the many bad decisions he's made, realize that the window for this core is closed and start focusing on winning 3 years from now.

either that or update his resume. which might be preferable actually. maybe we can replace him with someone that every other gm in the league isn't leery of. i mean this guy made his nut by selling snake oil and gouging nhl gm's for every last penny, often using underhanded tactics (nylander to edmonton anyone?) logic and history both indicate that gm's don't like dealing with him.

i wish dale tallon wasn't locked up in florida, but i'd be willing to give jim nill a shot too.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:51 AM

Until Kesler is gone, there is really no move that can be made that will improve our top 6. He is not a good play making C.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:22 AM

"we have a great 3rd C in Schroeder" = all your credibility lost
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:33 AM

Most of the issue seems to be with coaching and line-ups, and the mix-and-match style AV apparently adores to tinker with.


The coaching staffs inability to manage talent properly has been an ongoing problem for years.
Unless you believe it MG's that constantly failed with his acquisition.The inability to access talent and use it wisely resulting in their predictable slow starts. Only this year, they had no time to screw around.
Exactly, why they should of hired Ken Hitchcock in 2011 due to another horrible start but St.Louis beat them to the punch. The teams drive and talent has taken them farther than expected. Now they need a coach breath back life into them allowing for offensive expression and innovation. Someone who uses talent correctly and puts them in the proper positions to succeed.

The way MG loves AV make me wonder who will it be having a blow out with AV demanding a trade before AV is released? He's not only messed up the forwards, now AV and his staff are screwing up the defense.The team disappearing in games as a whole and tanking the start of every season hasn't worked. Perhaps this stretch will open MG's eyes as they can afford a few more losses.
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