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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:36 PM

Luongo + Raymond + Alberts

for

Gudbranson + Mueller + 2nd

Thoughts?
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:44 PM

Luongo + Raymond + Alberts

for

Gudbranson + Mueller + 2nd

Thoughts?


FLA
Schneider
1st

VAN
Gudbranson
1st

And now thoughts:

Florida is rebuilding. They give two young players for and ageing player, a blue line tripper and a pilon.

Florida says no.

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 05 March 2013 - 12:47 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:58 PM

FLA
Luongo
1st

VAN
Gudbranson
1st

And now thoughts:

Florida is rebuilding. They give two young players for and ageing player, a blue line tripper and a pilon.

Florida says no.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:01 PM

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mmmNo I believe it was right:

FLA
Schneider
1st

VAN
Gudbranson
1st

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 05 March 2013 - 01:01 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:06 PM

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Obviously we'd like that but I don't think there is any chance of that. Schneider's value is much higher than Lu's which isn't a shock.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:08 PM

Obviously we'd like that but I don't think there is any chance of that. Schneider's value is much higher than Lu's which isn't a shock.

what do you think we would have to add to the lu package to make it work?
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:09 PM

Not going to argue that Luongo is a great pressure goalie, but I will say that bleacherreport is pretty much a joke of a source to most of us in the hockey world, and if Luongo is going to be judged and dismissed as a mediocre playoff goaltender, the sum total of his performances are probably what should be judged. I would argue that he's not a notorious "choker", he's just not consistently stellar (then again, all the best have had their inconsistencies).

Luongo - lifetime .919 sv % in the regular season, .916 sv% lifetime in the playoffs. Better competition - understandable very slight difference.

Brodeur - lifetime .913 sv% in the regular season, .919 sv% lifetime in the playoffs. Steps his game up a bit (and played behind Scott Stevens, Scott Neidermeyer, etc), but a fairly negligible difference.

Patrick Roy - lifetime .910 sv % in the regular season, .918 sv% lifetime in the playoffs. Also stepped up his game slightly in the playoffs, but again, .002 edge lifetime over Luongo, also played behind bumbs like Larry Robinson and Chris Chelios.

Anyhow, two of the greatest perenial playoff goaltenders of the modern era, hold very slight advantages over Luongo, and played in the pre-cap era, for literal dynasties.

I personally am in favour of keeping Schneider - I'm blinded by the youth culture and the unknown ceiling of young potential, but let's not get too carried away making light of Luongo's talent. I think people will look back upon the current era and judge players differently, simply because it's been 15 years since a Champion repeated, whereas in the 15 years from 75 -90, there were three dynasties, and then nearly a fourth in the Penguins. The Red Wings and Devils are the closest franchises in the modern era, but the Red Wings managed to repeat once, while the Devils didn't - and six of their combined seven Cups came before the salary cap era. Staying competitive is as close as it gets to dynasty in today's NHL (particularly post-cap), and the Canucks are only a few years down that path. I think when the context of these goaltenders achievements are considered, it's not such a stretch to consider Luongo a legitimate hall of fame candidate.


Great Post!

Goalies are only as good as the team in front of them.

This fact is the reason GM's will not trade pivotal pieces of there core to acquire one. Cup winning goalies recently Niemi, Ward, Giguere were not the best they stopped the shots they should have and the players did the rest.

Still remember Neidermayer after winning the cup with Anaheim being asked by a reporter about how amazing Giguere had been for the playoffs. Neids somewhat annoyed by all the goalie hype responded back by saying.....Giggy made the saves we expected he would and we did the rest.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:13 PM

what do you think we would have to add to the lu package to make it work?


Yeah let's add even more pieces to get rid of Luongo. You do understand that there is absolutely no logic in what you're suggesting? Unsound business decision.

Luongo is more valuable to the Canucks than any returns he could garner. This is not a reflection on said player; his contract is an aircraft carrier's anchor.

GET A T1D FFS!!!

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 05 March 2013 - 01:16 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:15 PM

what do you think we would have to add to the lu package to make it work?


A really solid prospect (Jensen, Gaunce, corrado although I don't know if he's enough for him). Basically, I don't know if we would end up making this particular move
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:28 PM

Yeah let's add even more pieces to get rid of Luongo. You do understand that there is absolutely no logic in what you're suggesting? Unsound business decision.

Luongo is more valuable to the Canucks than any returns he could garner. This is not a reflection on said player; his contract is an aircraft carrier's anchor.

GET A T1D FFS!!!

I didn't suggest anything. I didn't propose this deal. I'm just curious how far off the value is. Why are you so angry? what have I ever done to you? You need to chill the frack out man.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:28 PM

Double post.


But thanks bertuzzi jr. For answering mt question like a normal, bi-polar free human being.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:36 PM

Great Post!

Goalies are only as good as the team in front of them.

This fact is the reason GM's will not trade pivotal pieces of there core to acquire one. Cup winning goalies recently Niemi, Ward, Giguere were not the best they stopped the shots they should have and the players did the rest.

Still remember Neidermayer after winning the cup with Anaheim being asked by a reporter about how amazing Giguere had been for the playoffs. Neids somewhat annoyed by all the goalie hype responded back by saying.....Giggy made the saves we expected he would and we did the rest.


"Goalies are only as good as the team in front of them."... really... so MG won't trade a pivolal piece for a Goalie... but will hold out untill he is offered a pivital piece for Luongo... that makes no sense.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:41 PM

Double post.


But thanks bertuzzi jr. For answering mt question like a normal, bi-polar free human being.


No problem man, at this point who knows what will go on. My guess is if it does happen it will be to a team nobody has thought of and completely out of the blue.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:53 PM

OT (not that it matters much apparently)-- I went through Marty Brodeur's career game logs, just for giggles. The most goals against he has had in a single game was 6. He has allowed 6 GA in a single game quite a few times, the earliest being November 26, 1993 (at St Louis--result: tie game :lol: ). 4-5 GA was not unheard of. Marty, undoubtedly a HOFer and unquestionably an elite tender, did have for many of his years the benefits of playing in a defensive system and solid d-men in front of him.

Man, at the moment I wish ANY trade or movement would happen...April 3rd can't come soon enough.

Edit: not a total non sequitur as previous posters were discussing Brodeur v Luongo

Edited by Vicky, 05 March 2013 - 03:14 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:57 PM

"Goalies are only as good as the team in front of them."... really... so MG won't trade a pivolal piece for a Goalie... but will hold out untill he is offered a pivital piece for Luongo... that makes no sense.


What makes sense is that throughout history goalies have never been traded for value along the lines of star players. Do a little research and you will understand.

MG is holding out for the best deal but is also balancing a hard to trade contract, the problem of who plays backup without Lack available is a factor as well. If you think MG will be able to get a top 6 and two elite prospects you will be disappointed.
Would you trade for a 34 yr old all star under contract till 42 and give away that many pieces of your team?

As far as the quote. Yes having an elite goalie increases your chances..... but without good defense and timely scoring it does not matter who you have in goal. Playoffs are about match-ups. Goaltending is just one part of the equation. Case and point Flyers vs Hawks.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:06 PM

What makes sense is that throughout history goalies have never been traded for value along the lines of star players. Do a little research and you will understand.

MG is holding out for the best deal but is also balancing a hard to trade contract, the problem of who plays backup without Lack available is a factor as well. If you think MG will be able to get a top 6 and two elite prospects you will be disappointed.
Would you trade for a 34 yr old all star under contract till 42 and give away that many pieces of your team?

As far as the quote. Yes having an elite goalie increases your chances..... but without good defense and timely scoring it does not matter who you have in goal. Playoffs are about match-ups. Goaltending is just one part of the equation. Case and point Flyers vs Hawks.


I think you can argue it either way. If you have ever played hockey you know a hot goalie can easliy win you the game/championship. One player can not.So I think you are saying... most here are going to be disappiontment by the return we get for Luongo.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:14 PM

I didn't suggest anything. I didn't propose this deal. I'm just curious how far off the value is. Why are you so angry? what have I ever done to you? You need to chill the frack out man.


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Since 95% of communication is cut off between posters, I assure you, I am not angry in the least.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:17 PM

Luongo + Raymond + Alberts

for

Gudbranson + Mueller + 2nd

Thoughts?


This trade has my vote.

Do you think Florida would do it?
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:24 PM

mmmNo I believe it was right:

FLA
Schneider
1st

VAN
Gudbranson
1st


Did you get a chance to check out Schneider's new millionaires mask? Pretty sick, eh
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

Luongo
Corrado
2nd

Gudbranson



Raymond
Schroeder
1st


Foligno
Brassard


Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Kassian
Foligno Brassard Hansen
Weise Lapierre Higgins/Vestito

Hamhuis Bieksa
Edler Gudbranson
Garrison Tanev
Alberts Barker

Schneider
Lack
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:59 PM

Would I do Lou for Gudbranson, Mueller and a 2knd? Sure.

For the moment I'm hoping the Canucks can hold the fort without Kess and Bieksa. I don't like Raymond's chances matching up against San Jose as a centre; too big! None of Garrison, Ballard, Edler nor Hamhuis have looked great playing right side, now two will be playing there all game.

I'd like MG to look at an actual realistic trade and FTR, we should have looked at Mueller in the off season. He was a cheap UFA pick up for Florida who could have helped us.

This trade has my vote.

Do you think Florida would do it?


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:34 PM

Yzerman won the Gold Medal with Luongo so Yzerman has a connection with Luongo and beleives in him. I think MG is the problem... he knows Yzerman is smarter than him and doesn't want to come out looking stupid for trading away Luongo.Imagine if Luongo goes to Tampa and they win the Cup... MG will be face palming himself the rest of his life.

You know Yzerman believes in Lou? You know hes smarter than MG? And you think that getting Lou will win them the Cup? Pretty far fetched ideas coming from you.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:39 PM

You know Yzerman believes in Lou? You know hes smarter than MG? And you think that getting Lou will win them the Cup? Pretty far fetched ideas coming from you.


What.. you don't beleive in Lou either. And you wanna argue with Yzerman's record... go right ahead
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:02 PM

I over heard Luongo talking today. True story... apparently he bought 25% share in the team and is working on a trade
To Tampa
MG + Cory +

To van
Hedman + $ to hire someone to run strombone1 instagram and facebook account + steveeeeey y +++ more

And then another trade

To Dallas ...dan " lets give up an odd man rush or deflect pucks cuz luis in net" hamhuis and 2nd rounder

To van ... Rome + morrow

E5 folks

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:10 PM

I over heard Luongo talking today. True story... apparently he bought 25% share in the team and is working on a trade
To Tampa
MG + Cory +

To van
Hedman + $ to hire someone to run strombone1 instagram and facebook account + steveeeeey y +++ more

And then another trade

To Dallas ...dan " lets give up an odd man rush or deflect pucks cuz luis in net" hamhuis and 2nd rounder

To van ... Rome + morrow

E5 folks

That wasn't even funny
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:13 PM

That wasn't even funny


What is funny is that u think Cory is better than luongo hahahahha
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:16 PM

What is funny is that u think Cory is better than luongo hahahahha

And when did I say that? Its actually funny that you think Luongo has a future in Vancouver
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:21 PM

And when did I say that? Its actually funny that you think Luongo has a future in Vancouver


I've seen your posts... so u think Cory isnt better than luongo but want luongo gone?
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:26 PM

I've seen your posts... so u think Cory isnt better than luongo but want luongo gone?

You twisted the words in my post. I don't want Luongo gone, I know he's being traded and have long since accepted that fact. Cory is staying and Lu is going. There's too much evidence to support that and the fact that you and CH101 continue to push those facts to the side and refuse to believe they are real is pretty sad.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:41 PM

You twisted the words in my post. I don't want Luongo gone, I know he's being traded and have long since accepted that fact. Cory is staying and Lu is going. There's too much evidence to support that and the fact that you and CH101 continue to push those facts to the side and refuse to believe they are real is pretty sad.


It would have been sad if I came out and said it after game two when it looked like luongo was done here... but its not now. There is a chance he'll stay.

Everyone was guaranteeing he would be gone before this season started. He is still here and playing luongo hockey. Anything can happen
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