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#1 Heretic

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:35 PM

I fully agree with this - I think it's disgusting and embarrassing...



Dear Victoria’s Secret,
I am a father of a three year old girl. She loves princesses, Dora the Explorer, Doc McStuffins and drawing pictures for people. Her favorite foods are peanut butter and jelly, cheese and pistachios.
Even though she is only three, as a parent I have had those thoughts of my daughter growing up and not being the little girl she is now. It is true what they say about kids, they grow up fast. No matter how hard I try I know that she will not be the little ball of energy she is now; one day she will be a rebellious teenager that will more than likely think her dad is a total goof ball and would want to distance herself from my embarrassing presence.
I know that this is far down the line and I try to spend as much time as I can with her making memories of this special time.
But as I read an article today posted on The Black Sphere, it really got me thinking that maybe the culture that we currently find ourselves in is not helping the cause.
Recently I read an article that Victoria’s Secret is launching a line of underwear and bras aimed at middle school aged children. The line will be called “Bright Young Things” and will feature ” lace black cheeksters with the word “Wild” emblazoned on them, green and white polka-dot hipsters screen printed with “Feeling Lucky?” and a lace trim thong with the words, “Call me” on the front.”
As a dad, this makes me sick.
I believe that this sends the wrong message to not only my daughter but to all young girls.
I don’t want my daughter to ever think that her self-worth and acceptance by others is based on the choice of her undergarments. I don’t want my daughter to ever think that to be popular or even attractive she has to have emblazon words on her bottom.
I want my daughter (and every girl) to be faced with tough decisions in her formative years of adolescence. Decisions like should I be a doctor or a lawyer? Should I take calculus as a junior or a senior? Do I want to go to Texas A&M or University of Texas or some Ivy League School? Should I raise awareness for slave trafficking or lack of water in developing nations? There are many, many more questions that all young women should be asking themselves… not will a boy (or girl) like me if I wear a “call me” thong?
I want my daughter to know that she is perfect the way she is; I want my daughter to know that no matter what underwear she is wearing it does not define her.
I believe that this new line “Bright Young Things” thwarts the efforts of empowering young women in this country. “Bright Young Things” gives off the message that women are sex objects. This new line promotes it at a dangerously young age.
I implore you to reconsider your decision to start this line.
By doing so you will put young girl’s self-esteem, self-worth and pride above profits.
Sincerely,
Rev. Evan Dolive
Houston, TX

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:47 PM

Disgusting and classless act by VS targeting young girls so blatantly like that. For one excecutive to present the marketing plan is one thing, but to have the rest accept it and push forward with it is deplorable. And some of the language used there if true is extremely disturbing and my hat off to the father for taking time to write that.

The solution to me is to give VS underwear an 'adult rating' and only can be purchased by adults.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:51 PM

I'm for the free market and free will deciding fashion, but marketing sexualization to under-18's is just plain WRONG!

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 12:53 PM

It wouldn't exist if it didn't sell. I think parents should be responsible for raising kids and private companies for turning a profit. I think it's disgusting but ultimately commercial products are a reflection of what society wants.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:00 PM

I hope this letter gets more publicity or it will be ignored by Victoria's Secret

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:02 PM

While I would probably agree with the father, it's only because daughters are different. They'll always be your little princess in your eyes, hence the need to "protect" them.
That being said, if say Nike came out with a youth boys line and words like, "Stud" or "Playa" who would even be complaining?

I have many discussions about this with my wife and her opinion is pretty much like.... it's up for parents to do their job, and you don't want your kids to be like and dress like nuns until they reach the age of consent and then they're suddenly overwhelmed and confused by concepts of sexuality.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:02 PM

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Society is trying it's damnedest to turn every girl into a slut...

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:03 PM

I hope this letter gets more publicity or it will be ignored by Victoria's Secret


Yeah, it's all over FB...as Buggernut said, sexualising of children is wrong.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:16 PM

It wouldn't exist if it didn't sell. I think parents should be responsible for raising kids and private companies for turning a profit. I think it's disgusting but ultimately commercial products are a reflection of what society wants.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:22 PM

Truly disgusting of them to think that is acceptable.

Society is really pressing for this crap for everything, people need to protest this garbage and be sure to never buy a VS product again.

I see tons of products similar to this, yet idiots always buy it. Glad to see someone making an effort to stop these soulless companies.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:31 PM

Pretty sad that someone would actually want to wear some of the items mentioned. Lowering your standards rarely results in higher self esteem.

Good on the Dad for taking the time to let them know how he feels. He is not alone.

There's simply no accounting for taste. What kind of idiot would wear this..........

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 02:48 PM

That's so messed up. So sick of corporations taking advantage of impressionable young people.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:05 PM

Even worse... the world of child beauty pageants - check out the photos and videos at the link.
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:14 PM

Yeesh, people will more or less do anything to make a buck, won't they.

Yeah, not cool, totally wrong. It truly does send the wrong message. "Feeling Lucky?" are you kidding me?


VS should be ashamed of themselves.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:53 PM

While I would probably agree with the father, it's only because daughters are different. They'll always be your little princess in your eyes, hence the need to "protect" them.
That being said, if say Nike came out with a youth boys line and words like, "Stud" or "Playa" who would even be complaining?

I have many discussions about this with my wife and her opinion is pretty much like.... it's up for parents to do their job, and you don't want your kids to be like and dress like nuns until they reach the age of consent and then they're suddenly overwhelmed and confused by concepts of sexuality.


Oh wow, an intelligent post!
I totally agree.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:13 PM

Even worse... the world of child beauty pageants - check out the photos and videos at the link.
http://www.dailymail...-And-US-UK.html


Big thumbs down indeed. How parents can enter their children in these is just mind boggling.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:25 PM

Another bible thumper trying to impose his views on everyone else.

Here's an idea, if he doesn't like the products, don't buy them.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 06:41 PM

Another bible thumper trying to impose his views on everyone else.

Here's an idea, if he doesn't like the products, don't buy them.


I find it wildly ironic that you feel someone is 'imposing their views' yet your second sentence is no different than anything this man is trying to accomplish.

It is also shortsighted of you to assume that he is a 'bible thumper'. Despite being a reverend, nowhere in that post does he allude to religion. You do not have to hold religious beliefs to agree with his message. I am agnostic and I agree with him.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 06:49 PM

It wouldn't exist if it didn't sell. I think parents should be responsible for raising kids and private companies for turning a profit. I think it's disgusting but ultimately commercial products are a reflection of what society wants.


It has to exist in order to sell...you're putting the cart before the horse.

I agree 100% with this fathers' thinking....he neglected to mention that it sends the very wrong message to pedophiles as well. To "advertise" in a way that presents this train of thought as acceptable is irresponsible. How much lower can we go?....I find myself asking this pretty much daily.

GM....do you have kids? I don't suppose you do but that's a rather shortsighted view of things. It goes beyond "don't buy it"...it's about the fact that anyone would think there's an appropriate market for this. That it's a sorry state of affairs the day there is.

(Just read your comment DBTR...great minds?)

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 07:04 PM

Another bible thumper trying to impose his views on everyone else.

Here's an idea, if he doesn't like the products, don't buy them.


Looking at your reply and your name that's quite ironic...

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 07:27 PM

I was in Fred Meyers last week and I noticed they had a wall of TapOut shirts for boys aged 5-12. I thought it was irresponsible of them to sell that stuff but this takes the cake.
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 07:32 PM

It has to exist in order to sell...you're putting the cart before the horse.

I agree 100% with this fathers' thinking....he neglected to mention that it sends the very wrong message to pedophiles as well. To "advertise" in a way that presents this train of thought as acceptable is irresponsible. How much lower can we go?....I find myself asking this pretty much daily.

GM....do you have kids? I don't suppose you do but that's a rather shortsighted view of things. It goes beyond "don't buy it"...it's about the fact that anyone would think there's an appropriate market for this. That it's a sorry state of affairs the day there is.

(Just read your comment DBTR...great minds?)


Yup. Maybe let VS make the product and hopefully that would lead to greater backlash against their ill-informed idea.

As another poster mentioned, Tap Out shirts for 6 year old children are also inappropriate. Again, others can't force a company not to make their product, but that doesn't mean these 'others' have to remain silent about this either.

The reason why the VS strategy is particularly controversial (compared to Tapout) is that they are sexualizing girls who aren't even above the age of consensual sex. No, they don't say 'insert here' on the front....but this is certainly what they are insinuating. This should never been insinuated of 12 year old girls.

What a ???? joke. Benning is the worst GM in the NHL. I can't believe this guy is actually this stupid. This imbecile is going to drive this team into the ???? ground.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 07:40 PM

If a girl gets down to her underwear then chances are high that stuff is going down regardless of what the underroos have written on them.
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 07:54 PM

Another bible thumper trying to impose his views on everyone else.

Here's an idea, if he doesn't like the products, don't buy them.


Nice stereotype. :sadno:

How hypocritical of you - you say "don't impose your views" then you turn around and impose yours.




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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:14 PM

Limited Brands is the most unethical and horrible corporation out there. I say this because I've worked for them. They do whatever it is possible to push revenue.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:28 PM

I'm not complaining B)
But in all seriousness, I don't agree with it. But at the end of the day you're the person/parent buying the product. And if it's your choice to wear something like that, I have no problem with that.

It's exactly the same as alcohol, I can tell you brands like Palm Bay, and Cariboo aim their products at minors, because even though its illegal there is still a market.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:45 PM

Another bible thumper trying to impose his views on everyone else.

Here's an idea, if he doesn't like the products, don't buy them.


Besides the writer's honorific (reverend), nowhere in the letter does it mention the Bible, or anything about religion. This is picking at nothing, much like your thinly-veiled attempt of an attack at Christy Clark and the Grey Cup.

My goodness - you need to enrol in some reading comprehension classes...

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:50 PM

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This could all be solved by not buying these products.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:29 PM

This could all be solved by not buying these products.


My thoughts exactly. You know you could try being a parent and tell your kids "no" and explain to them why they they cannot have it, instead of blaming companies for your child's problems. That's what my parents did. Too many times I see parents let their young children have free reign and shrug it off as "that's just the way they are". Too many parents are content with taking the easy way out and avoiding a potential tantrum then actually parenting. Sure what VS is doing is atrocious but if VS doesn't make these clothes someone else will. Hell it's not like we don't see 12-14 year old girls walking around in short shorts whenever the weather is nice.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:12 AM

As an aside, I saw an elderly, yes elderly, lady wearing a pair of those "Juicy" pants.

I can't even possibly begin to tell you some of the thoughts that went through my head but the first one was "Yuck!", the second was "That's just wrong", and the third was "Not likely."

Maybe there is a market to exploit seniors for VS too?

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