J.I.A.H.N Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Hold onto your hats! Kevin Bieksa and 2017-1st for Etem and Larsen Now, this sounds rude on the surface, but we get Bieksa to wave to the minors, keep Pedan up, and move a fringe 4th liner out of here Anaheim gets cap relief so they can sign both Lindholm and Rakell long term This makes it easy for Gaunce to stay up and Larsen isn't anything more than a #6, 7, 8 Bieksa comes up for injury relief, or stays done as a player coach, or retires, all the while protecting our young kids down in the minors At the very least....we love KB, and we know what he brings, as a # 6, 7, 8, Flame away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Put proposal or I'm betting you'll get a ban hammer before flame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 Just now, Ghostsof1915 said: Put proposal or I'm betting you'll get a ban hammer before flame. Yeah, thanks Ghost.....I was on it right away! But man you were fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 minute ago, janisahockeynut said: Yeah, thanks Ghost.....I was on it right away! But man you were fast! Don't want to see you banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 minute ago, janisahockeynut said: Yeah, thanks Ghost.....I was on it right away! But man you were fast! It's a really creative idea. I just wonder if JB and his crew ever think outside the box like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 21 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Hold onto your hats! Kevin Bieksa and 2017-1st for Etem and Larsen Now, this sounds rude on the surface, but we get Bieksa to wave to the minors, keep Pedan up, and move a fringe 4th liner out of here Anaheim gets cap relief so they can sign both Lindholm and Rakell long term This makes it easy for Gaunce to stay up and Larsen isn't anything more than a #6, 7, 8 Bieksa comes up for injury relief, or stays done as a player coach, or retires, all the while protecting our young kids down in the minors At the very least....we love KB, and we know what he brings, as a # 6, 7, 8, Flame away! Bieska has a NMC, not only can he nix the deal, but can also decide that he wont go down to the AHL. Then on top of that because he has a NMC he also must be protected in the expansion draft meaning we'd have to expose one of Tanev, Edler or Gudbranson in the draft. So it may be an out of the box idea, it doesn't work on any level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strombone Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 A year from now, Etem, Larsen, + a 5th (of course) will fetch us Hedman, so chill out babe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 minute ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Bieska has a NMC, not only can he nix the deal, but can also decide that he wont go down to the AHL. Then on top of that because he has a NMC he also must be protected in the expansion draft meaning we'd have to expose one of Tanev, Edler or Gudbranson in the draft. So it may be an out of the box idea, it doesn't work on any level. Good Point Forsberg.............can he retire and be a player coach? Also, and I may be wrong, probably am, but I thought I may have heard that once a NTC has been waved, it slides, and becomes a standard contract......again, I am probably wrong on that, and the trade won't work......but for a moment, I thought it sounded pretty good! Damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Good Point Forsberg.............can he retire and be a player coach? Also, and I may be wrong, probably am, but I thought I may have heard that once a NTC has been waved, it slides, and becomes a standard contract......again, I am probably wrong on that, and the trade won't work......but for a moment, I thought it sounded pretty good! Damn! He can retire but why would he, It's not like he isn't useful, last year he still averaged 21 minutes per game. He's also getting paid 4 million for the next two years. if he retires he's leaving just over 7 million on the table. He also probably still wants to play and play in the NHL, he's only 35. As for the NTC it depends on the contract, all are different. But most still remain intact, Subbans was unique this summer as his NMC wasn't activate for another 30 days and since he didn't sign the contract with NSH it now becomes void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Anaheim passes, they still have lots of options which will allow them to keep their picks and sign their guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 No way Anaheim coughs up their 1st so we can bury Bieksa in the minors for them, and as if KB would even entertain that idea anyways. He's not done, by any stretch and Ana knows that. He eats like 20mins a game. I doubt they want Etem back. They have no use for Larsen. I like getting another first though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Neither team would want this. Juice is in their top-4 and as mentioned is a minute-eater, why would they give him up (and for a 1st) just because he's slightly overpriced? He's still important. He also doesn't fit in our team's grand scheme of things as Emerson and Larsen would, as those are young, cheap contracts with potential. This team should be looking toward the future and not getting an older guy (Juice is better than either of them still but we should also not look to have an expensive, aging veteran holding down a roster spot which could very well be used for easing a kid into the NHL, e.g. Stecher, or for bringing in a cheap PP specialist with potential like Larsen). That 1st would be nice but it's highly unrealistic that they would dump him, even if it's to sign their R.F.A.'s; they could probably easily dump Stoner before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 So, the Ducks have had such a quick 180 on Bieksa after picking him up and signing him to a long term deal that they'll move a 1st and get a negligible return comparatively just to offload him? And Bieksa will waive his NMC to not only be traded but then allow the team he accepted a trade to to waive him? Maybe, just maybe, he wouldn't be picked up on waivers, but that's a less than zero chance on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 4 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Good Point Forsberg.............can he retire and be a player coach? Also, and I may be wrong, probably am, but I thought I may have heard that once a NTC has been waved, it slides, and becomes a standard contract......again, I am probably wrong on that, and the trade won't work......but for a moment, I thought it sounded pretty good! Damn! It's the new team's choice if the player's NTC/NMC remains intact after being waived, but the player waiving may only do so on the condition the new team honours the clause. So, Bieksa wouldn't accept the deal to begin with if he knew we were going to waive him, and if we didn't tell him then just did that it'd be really bad optically for any future players potentially waiving to come here. He's not going to retire either if he can still play and forgo the $8M he has on this current deal - would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 I am not so good on the contract understanding. Apparently! LOL Just thought it would be a good way to help Anaheim and Vancouver all at once But all of your posts, have extremely convincing arguments, and I yield! LOL Although, if it wasn't for Vegas, it would be a bloody good idea!......I would take KB in a second! But not for a second! LOL Thanks Guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsbutcher Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 On October 2, 2016 at 5:00 PM, janisahockeynut said: Hold onto your hats! Kevin Bieksa and 2017-1st for Etem and Larsen Now, this sounds rude on the surface, but we get Bieksa to wave to the minors, keep Pedan up, and move a fringe 4th liner out of here Anaheim gets cap relief so they can sign both Lindholm and Rakell long term This makes it easy for Gaunce to stay up and Larsen isn't anything more than a #6, 7, 8 Bieksa comes up for injury relief, or stays done as a player coach, or retires, all the while protecting our young kids down in the minors At the very least....we love KB, and we know what he brings, as a # 6, 7, 8, Flame away! Lol, sorry, Bieksa could not crack our top six right now and they are going to give us a first for waiver wire fodder? I love Bieksa but you want to take on his contract and put him in utica? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 31 minutes ago, garthsbutcher said: Lol, sorry, Bieksa could not crack our top six right now and they are going to give us a first for waiver wire fodder? I love Bieksa but you want to take on his contract and put him in utica? Its ok to laugh Garth. My intention, albeit wrong, was to get a hi pick out of Anaheim because they have 2 RFA's to sign that they don't want to loose. Now they have enough cap space to sign one but will be very tight to sign both, unless one is ready to sign a bridge deal. From what I have read on the Ducks forums, is they think it was wrong to sign Bieksa, and it has put them into a bind. Both Etem and Larsen can either be kept or sent down and it won't kill the Ducks to loose either.......but they still have some value as 4th liners or bottom 4 Dman......in any case their contracts are not huge....... I also think Bieksa's contribution here could be a positive as a # 5 or 6..... maybe a 7 or 8 Anyways......as much as I was wrong, it never hurts to understand the CBA a little better...........I actually appreciate the comments (Yours as well! ) Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsbutcher Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Its ok to laugh Garth. My intention, albeit wrong, was to get a hi pick out of Anaheim because they have 2 RFA's to sign that they don't want to loose. Now they have enough cap space to sign one but will be very tight to sign both, unless one is ready to sign a bridge deal. From what I have read on the Ducks forums, is they think it was wrong to sign Bieksa, and it has put them into a bind. Both Etem and Larsen can either be kept or sent down and it won't kill the Ducks to loose either.......but they still have some value as 4th liners or bottom 4 Dman......in any case their contracts are not huge....... I also think Bieksa's contribution here could be a positive as a # 5 or 6..... maybe a 7 or 8 Anyways......as much as I was wrong, it never hurts to understand the CBA a little better...........I actually appreciate the comments (Yours as well! ) Cheers All good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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