The DumbBrexit / #Wexit thread

[Warhippy]

6 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Alberta oil an gas companies when they owe taxes and Albertan conservatives bend over backwards to let them get away with not paying said taxes.  

Apparently that's not a fact.  It's not happening.  It's fake news.  It's the municipalities fault.

 

Or something

[Ryan Strome]

49 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Yes

Or

No

 

Don't give me that poor man's callandra nonsense I asked you a simple question

 

I did answer it.

48 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

A bunch of non answers to some simple questions.

 

This is what happens when people are afraid of the truth

You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you.

25 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Apparently that's not a fact.  It's not happening.  It's fake news.  It's the municipalities fault.

 

Or something

Nope your inability to not comprehend. 

[Warhippy]

15 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I did answer it.

No you didn't.  You quoted someone else, attempted to insult me and claimed it wasn't real.

 

It's a yes or no question.  You gave neither a yes or no answer.

 

Do you think it's fair that the government you voted for is cutting services while spending more than the former NDP.  While giving huge breaks to companies that are still leaving, then telling municipalities and private land owners owed hundreds of millions that are begging for help to effectively suffer 

 

yes or no

[Ryan Strome]

20 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

No you didn't.  You quoted someone else, attempted to insult me and claimed it wasn't real.

 

It's a yes or no question.  You gave neither a yes or no answer.

 

Do you think it's fair that the government you voted for is cutting services while spending more than the former NDP.  While giving huge breaks to companies that are still leaving, then telling municipalities and private land owners owed hundreds of millions that are begging for help to effectively suffer 

 

yes or no

I suggest you get someone to read to you what I wrote.

Also if you ask me questions that aren't reality it's difficult to give the answer you want.

[Warhippy]

35 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I suggest you get someone to read to you what I wrote.

Also if you ask me questions that aren't reality it's difficult to give the answer you want.

How is it not realistic?

 

Fact:  The UCP is spending more than the NDP

Fact:  The UCP are cutting services

Fact:  The UCP gave corporations massive tax breaks to the tun of nearly $5 billion

Fact:  Municipalities and private land owners asked the government to intercede on their behalf in regards to overdue monies and they said no you cannot wring money from them

 

You play fast and loose with the facts depending on the argument all the time but these are not "made up statements" these are bonafide factual things that occurred or are occurring and are not the fault of the NDP, Trudeau, Environmentalists or left wingers.

 

Again I'll ask you.  Is it fair that ALL of that is happening and Kenney and the UCP have told Albertans to effectively deal with it while continuing to spend tax money to prop up private business and defending these businesses that are openly cheating payments and taxation owed by telling those owed to suffer?

 

Yes or No?  

 

I suggest you take a moment to research these statements to understand claiming they're not factual or made up makes you look delusional

Edited January 23, 2020 by Warhippy

[kingofsurrey]

2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

yeah, I'd call being on the top of the planet extremely well. C48 makes sense. C69 was heavily amended and passed by those same senators, they actually did a very good job on it but you like to gloss over that part. 

 

I think we need to find a way to give Alberta a time out, the temper tantrum is getting out of hand if you really can't see how fortunate Alberta is. 

Albertans remind me of a Frank Ocean Song

 

Super Rich Kids

Frank Ocean

Too many bottles of this wine we can't pronounce
Too many bowls of that green, no Lucky Charms
The maids come around too much
Parents ain't around enough
Too many joy rides in daddy's Jaguar
Too many white lies and white lines
Super rich kids with nothing but loose ends
Super rich kids with nothing but fake friends

 

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

How is it not realistic?

 

Fact:  The UCP is spending more than the NDP

Fact:  The UCP are cutting services

Fact:  The UCP gave corporations massive tax breaks to the tun of nearly $5 billion

Fact:  Municipalities and private land owners asked the government to intercede on their behalf in regards to overdue monies and they said no you cannot wring money from them

 

You play fast and loose with the facts depending on the argument all the time but these are not "made up statements" these are bonafide factual things that occurred or are occurring and are not the fault of the NDP, Trudeau, Environmentalists or left wingers.

 

Again I'll ask you.  Is it fair that ALL of that is happening and Kenney and the UCP have told Albertans to effectively deal with it while continuing to spend tax money to prop up private business and defending these businesses that are openly cheating payments and taxation owed by telling those owed to suffer?

 

Yes or No?  

 

I suggest you take a moment to research these statements to understand claiming they're not factual or made up makes you look delusional

But your 1 and 3 facts you're using separately while adding that tax break to the spending. Of course services were cut that's what happens when you spend out of control and it's not sustainable. Just like the ndp cut jobs when they had a year long royalty review and raised corporate taxes but you never mention that. Look at energy investments during their 4 years, most went to Saskatchewan. 

[Warhippy]

8 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

But your 1 and 3 facts you're using separately while adding that tax break to the spending. Of course services were cut that's what happens when you spend out of control and it's not sustainable. Just like the ndp cut jobs when they had a year long royalty review and raised corporate taxes but you never mention that. Look at energy investments during their 4 years, most went to Saskatchewan. 

So we've gone from, you've answered to, it's not real or realistic to you don't understand?

 

Yes

or

No?

 

I don't care for your finger pointing.  I don't want you to go all Callandra on me.  It's a yes or no question Strome.  And my 1 and 3 are not in fact used separately, they're all part of the same mess.  I have a bevy of links to back everything up in this instance I just want you to sack up and answer it nice and simply.  For a guy who likes to point fingers and make ridiculous accusations all the time, calling people socialists, or leftists or Trudeau defenders every time he gets his back up, you sure do like to avoid simply answering basic questions

 

So, for the literal 6th time

 

 Is it fair that ALL of that is happening and Kenney and the UCP have told Albertans to effectively deal with it while continuing to spend tax money to prop up private business and defending these businesses that are openly cheating payments and taxation owed by telling those owed to suffer?

 

 

Edited January 23, 2020 by Warhippy

[Ryan Strome]

36 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So we've gone from, you've answered to, it's not real or realistic to you don't understand?

 

Yes

or

No?

 

I don't care for your finger pointing.  I don't want you to go all Callandra on me.  It's a yes or no question Strome.  And my 1 and 3 are not in fact used separately, they're all part of the same mess.  I have a bevy of links to back everything up in this instance I just want you to sack up and answer it nice and simply.  For a guy who likes to point fingers and make ridiculous accusations all the time, calling people socialists, or leftists or Trudeau defenders every time he gets his back up, you sure do like to avoid simply answering basic questions

 

So, for the literal 6th time

 

 Is it fair that ALL of that is happening and Kenney and the UCP have told Albertans to effectively deal with it while continuing to spend tax money to prop up private business and defending these businesses that are openly cheating payments and taxation owed by telling those owed to suffer?

 

 

Lol you can't be serious. I told u to leave the partisan spin out and you can't just like the nonsense you post you're wrong about.

For the hippy who has lost his capacity to understand.

I don't want those companies to go bankrupt I would prefer a negotiated deal/repayment. 

 

Hippy, yes or no is Trudeau your idol?

[Ryan Strome]

Btw I see the question changed. 

I think u smoke to much pot.

Hippy are moving to Alberta, yes or no?

Hippy are you the biggest liar on cdc, yes or no?

[Warhippy]

16 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Lol you can't be serious. I told u to leave the partisan spin out and you can't just like the nonsense you post you're wrong about.

For the hippy who has lost his capacity to understand.

I don't want those companies to go bankrupt I would prefer a negotiated deal/repayment. 

 

Hippy, yes or no is Trudeau your idol?

I figured as much.

 

you know full well he isn't.  So no.  he isn't.  I think he's the worst fit person to lead the Liberal party.

 

That's how you answer a question, notice how you FAILED miserably to show even a modicum of actual integrity and answer a basic yes or no question and instead resorted to another personal attack of a childish nature?

 

Honestly, Strome...you couldn't even bother answering it.  You know how telling that is?

[Warhippy]

17 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Btw I see the question changed. 

I think u smoke to much pot.

Hippy are moving to Alberta, yes or no?

Hippy are you the biggest liar on cdc, yes or no?

See, yet more personal attacks.  

 

I don't smoke pot or anything anymore

 

I stated numerous times Alberta was one of a number of places we had looked in to moving and have opted to not move to Alberta

 

If you think I am a liar but you refuse to answer a simple question and instead resort to baseless personal attacks while failing to answer a very simple yes or not question what the hell does that make you?  Around the rigs and on the site we had names for people who acted like that.

 

For what it's worth I did in fact have a small amount of respect for you.  The fact you cannot even be an adult long enough to simply answer a very simple yes or not question and instead turn to this; means a lot.  I have no respect for any person who acts like that.  You're everything wrong with the Conservative party today.  you're unwilling to face or even admit a basic truth and instead engage in these kinds of antics to avoid any level of responsibility or admission of potentially being wrong.

 

The question never ever changed.  The wording did because you failed to answer it 6 straight times and now a 7th.  Feel free to go back and look through.

 

A yes or no question has you acting like this.  Think about it

[Warhippy]

Since Strome won't answer the question

 

Here's Alberta's budget issues

 

To end 2017

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?xID=56217C48DED7E-A864-1D45-10387E0695CF2BA7

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/9c81a5a7-cdf1-49ad-a923-d1ecb42944e4/resource/f9fce0ea-1b96-43bb-b95f-b8ca7e0e86a8/download/2017-18-3rd-Quarter-Report-Fiscal-Update.pdf

 

To end 2018

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/9c81a5a7-cdf1-49ad-a923-d1ecb42944e4/resource/978f7724-6317-4504-9795-53d11338e637/download/2018-19-final-results-year-end-report.pdf

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?xID=6413436302C3F-B0A6-8295-86D3A7348FF584F1

 

Estimates for 2019 and onwards

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/3d732c88-68b0-4328-9e52-5d3273527204/resource/2b82a075-f8c2-4586-a2d8-3ce8528a24e1/download/budget-2019-fiscal-plan-2019-23.pdf

 

Landowners asking the government for help regarding unpaid taxes and land fees

https://lacombeonline.com/local/unpaid-oil-and-gas-taxes-costing-taxpayers-millions

 

https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2020/01/22/rural-communities-say-oil-and-gas-companies-need-to-pay-their-bills/

 

Jason Kenney and the UCPs response to asks for assistance in recouping unpaid monies

https://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/rural-municipalities-free-to-pursue-unpaid-oil-and-gas-property-taxes-says-premier

https://globalnews.ca/news/6447056/david-swann-alberta-legislature-tax-strike-oilpatch-property-levies/

 

Alberta's tax plan and breaks to companies 

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/3d732c88-68b0-4328-9e52-5d3273527204/resource/2b82a075-f8c2-4586-a2d8-3ce8528a24e1/download/Budget-2019-Fiscal-Plan-2019-23.pdf#tax

https://www.alberta.ca/job-creation-tax-cut.aspx

 

Effects of said tax plan and companies still leaving

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/husky-kenney-sask-nfld-alta-alberta-1.5335823

https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/2019/10/28/the-ucp-says-cutting-the-corporate-tax-will-grow-the-economy-heres-what-the-research-says.html

https://theenergymix.com/2019/08/18/alberta-loses-14300-jobs-in-july-despite-corporate-tax-cut-profitable-fossils/

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/varcoe-alberta-seeks-ottawas-help-and-money-in-cleaning-up-abandoned-wells

 

Services being cut 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ucp-cuts-budget-funding-united-conservative-party-jason-kenney-1.5371156

https://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/braid-more-big-changes-coming-from-kenneys-ucp-in-2020

https://www.parklandinstitute.ca/what_you_need_to_know_about_alberta_budget_2019

 

No doubt a response will come claiming this is all someone else fault, or that this is all fake or that somehow someway these are not actual issues.  But since I was told these are not real, realistic or the like I figured I would post them anyways and allow anyone interested to look through it and question how that level of leadership can only mean well for the people in the event of Alberta leaving the country

 

 

Edited January 24, 2020 by Warhippy

[ForsbergTheGreat]

2 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Btw I see the question changed. 

I think u smoke to much pot.

Hippy are moving to Alberta, yes or no?

Hippy are you the biggest liar on cdc, yes or no?

Haha you doing it wrong, you have to construct a loaded question so that you can spin the answer to suit your narrative. 

 

For example. 

Hippy, do you enjoy daily making yourself look like a fool on CDC?  yes or no. 
 

or

 

Hippy, do like lying about the price of gas you paid, in a made up story you being in airdrie? Yes or No

[bishopshodan]

2 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

 I think u smoke to much pot.

Heyo!

 

People picking on the plant again.

Here's the gig, and I don't mind that you are not up to speed if you don't consume. Still its always good to get some education.

 

On the developing brain you want to stay away from weed. It can lead to some issues. 

However once you are in your mid 20's if you want to pick a legal intoxicating drug to consume, you should go with Mary Jane over Booze. It wont make you dumb, or a Trudeau lover. In fact there are amazing health benefits coming from the studies and applications of the many cannabinoids found in the plant. Not so much with liquor , in fact they are finding it is linking to cancer more recently. 

 

Please help reducing the stigma by sticking to your regular insults towards Mr Hip. 

 

Back on thread topic, would you support maintaining legal marijuana in the new Republic of Alberta?

[riffraff]

11 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Heyo!

 

People picking on the plant again.

Here's the gig, and I don't mind that you are not up to speed if you don't consume. Still its always good to get some education.

 

On the developing brain you want to stay away from weed. It can lead to some issues. 

However once you are in your mid 20's if you want to pick a legal intoxicating drug to consume, you should go with Mary Jane over Booze. It wont make you dumb, or a Trudeau lover. In fact there are amazing health benefits coming from the studies and applications of the many cannabinoids found in the plant. Not so much with liquor , in fact they are finding it is linking to cancer more recently. 

 

Please help reducing the stigma by sticking to your regular insults towards Mr Hip. 

 

Back on thread topic, would you support maintaining legal marijuana in the new Republic of Alberta?

Except for those stoner moments

[bishopshodan]

7 minutes ago, riffraff said:

Except for those stoner moments

I gave you a 'beer' up vote because there is not yet a 'joint' emoji. 

When is the herb gonna get some respect?!! 

[Ryan Strome]

2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

I figured as much.

 

you know full well he isn't.  So no.  he isn't.  I think he's the worst fit person to lead the Liberal party.

 

That's how you answer a question, notice how you FAILED miserably to show even a modicum of actual integrity and answer a basic yes or no question and instead resorted to another personal attack of a childish nature?

 

Honestly, Strome...you couldn't even bother answering it.  You know how telling that is?

You just praise him almost daily and defend him vigorously. 

[Rob_Zepp]

All advanced democracies need to have regional checks and balances so that there isn't a tyranny of the masses (Ontario/Quebec) against the lower-populated, resource-rich areas (Alberta/Saskatchewan).   In the Canadian context, this is the same kind of concept that you have within the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is that the tyranny of the majority doesn't overrule the rights, the individual rights and freedoms.

 

Seeing this from afar and growing up in Ontario, I can see why there is anger in Western Canada - particularly Alberta and Saskatchewan.   It must be insanely frustrating to see a Quebec Premier and the Federal Government both making Energy East sound like opening up Mordor and yet not only does Quebec then import Middle East oil in droves but then begs for more Western Canada natural gas this winter when it got cold.   Wow.   That would frustrate!    The hypocrisy is strong.   You have a Federal Government enacting laws and regulations that are aimed largely at killing your jobs and industries and yet, somehow, that isn't supposed to anger you?

 

Those who cannot see why these people in Western Canada (I have family that farm in Alberta and Sask - this isn't stuff I just read) are tone deaf.   Those who think that pet projects like carbon taxes, killing major projects, removing income splitting etc. doesn't impact how people in these places put food on the table for their families while the SAME consumptive patterns exist in the masses to the east who are happy to import those very resources from other countries, remove themselves from projects by simply buying externally and allowing the carbon used to extract and ship to be on "someone else's hands" etc. etc....the very extremes of hypocrisy.

 

I think it would be awful for Wexit to get traction.   I think it would be worse for the alienation and tone deaf rhetoric and divisive actions/rhetoric from Ottawa and Ontario/Quebec to continue.   

[JM_]

33 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

All advanced democracies need to have regional checks and balances so that there isn't a tyranny of the masses (Ontario/Quebec) against the lower-populated, resource-rich areas (Alberta/Saskatchewan).   In the Canadian context, this is the same kind of concept that you have within the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is that the tyranny of the majority doesn't overrule the rights, the individual rights and freedoms.

 

Seeing this from afar and growing up in Ontario, I can see why there is anger in Western Canada - particularly Alberta and Saskatchewan.   It must be insanely frustrating to see a Quebec Premier and the Federal Government both making Energy East sound like opening up Mordor and yet not only does Quebec then import Middle East oil in droves but then begs for more Western Canada natural gas this winter when it got cold.   Wow.   That would frustrate!    The hypocrisy is strong.   You have a Federal Government enacting laws and regulations that are aimed largely at killing your jobs and industries and yet, somehow, that isn't supposed to anger you?

 

Those who cannot see why these people in Western Canada (I have family that farm in Alberta and Sask - this isn't stuff I just read) are tone deaf.   Those who think that pet projects like carbon taxes, killing major projects, removing income splitting etc. doesn't impact how people in these places put food on the table for their families while the SAME consumptive patterns exist in the masses to the east who are happy to import those very resources from other countries, remove themselves from projects by simply buying externally and allowing the carbon used to extract and ship to be on "someone else's hands" etc. etc....the very extremes of hypocrisy.

 

I think it would be awful for Wexit to get traction.   I think it would be worse for the alienation and tone deaf rhetoric and divisive actions/rhetoric from Ottawa and Ontario/Quebec to continue.   

tone deaf? maybe, but this is a little too simplistic. 

 

Take Energy East - if you look into the actual history on that, it was Trans Canada that made a mess of that project. The Quebec mayors along the route expressed major frustrations wth non-answers and misinformation to the point where they just said a flat out no to the project. It didn't start that way. Its much the same way that representatives from Northern Gateway went to Kitimat and presented locals with maps with islands missing trying to tell them there was nothing for tankers to avoid  The companies have themselves to blame. It stands in stark contrast to how the BC LNG project did the proper ground work and got all the communities and 20/20 elected band councils on board. Just throwing out Quebec bashing on Energy East is just not accurate and doesn't help.

 

Yes income splitting was removed, but it was also replaced with funding for a lot of middle class families. You make it sound like no one is benefitting but a lot of people still are, just in different ways.