Why not just clear Loui’s contract by attaching a 1st like the Leafs did?

[Gurn]

6 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

He'd be rolling the dice that he'd make the team over guys who wouldn't be useless such as Lind or MacEwen.  We don't save cap but at least we aren't wasting a roster spot on a spoiled, laxy piece of garbage.  If LE tries to block any trade Benning needs to send him down to Utica and instruct Cull to make his life as miserable as possible.

Just send him down, no need to be a Neanderthal about it. Treating players poorly does not help your organization with future signings.

 

[Gurn]

19 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

so all he has to do is list 15 teams with no cap space lol at this point pretty much a NTC if he doesn't want to move. he knows the team can't afford to bury him in the minor as there's no cap saving and he'll always have a spot on the bottom 6 lol. not that hard to find 15 teams that can't afford to have loui's contract. i'm pretty sure Eriksson would prefer to sit in the pressbox or play bottom 6 mins than go to a team fighting for the lottery to grind it out. pretty much the bottom feeders/rebuilding teams are the only one that will even remotely consider his contract and eriksson and veto everything by just listing 15 teams with 0 cap space lol

Going into next year I wouldn't be surprised to see Loui waive that modified clause, he probably wants a fresh start anyway. He's going to get paid where ever he goes.

[wai_lai416]

12 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

He'd be rolling the dice that he'd make the team over guys who wouldn't be useless such as Lind or MacEwen.  We don't save cap but at least we aren't wasting a roster spot on a spoiled, laxy piece of garbage.  If LE tries to block any trade Benning needs to send him down to Utica and instruct Cull to make his life as miserable as possible.

lol ericsson is still a far superior defensive player than majority of our bottom 6. Green will keep him on the team just for that. i am sure no free agents would have vancouver as their preferred signing spot if words leak out that if you exercise your no trade clause, the team will blackball you lol. as much as you guys all hate on ericsson, he is far more effective in the D zone than majority of our bottom 6 and as a penalty killer.. his +/- reflects that.

[TheNewGM]

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[King Heffy]

27 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

am sure no free agents would have vancouver as their preferred signing spot if words leak out that if you exercise your no trade clause, the team will blackball you lol.

Most free agents worth signing would appreciate the team icing the most competitive lineup they can.  The only guys who would balk at signing because of that are lazy floaters who can't handle the coach benching them when they're playing like complete garbage.  We can live without those players.  Any actual NHL player has seen LE's pitiful excuse for effort and would completely understand why a team wouldn't want to waste ice time on that useless piece of trash.  LE should consider himself lucky if another NHL team is stupid enough to let him disgrace their uniform.

Edited July 16, 2020 by King Heffy

[GhostsOf1994]

On 7/15/2020 at 1:39 AM, Comeback_Kings said:

in the meantime, the 2020 Stanley Cup Finals...  Canucks will be icing an excellent team.

 

miller pettersson boeser
pearson horvat tofilli
virtanen  gaudette sutter
motte  beagle  eriksson  

 

hughes  tanev
edler  myers

fantenberg  stetcher

markstrom

:

 

 

Miller Pettersson Boeser 

Pearson Horvat Toffoli 

Ferland Gaudette Virtanen 

Roussell Beagle Macewan 

 

Motte Sutter Eriksson 

Graovac 

 

Hughes Tanev 

Edler Myers 

Fantenberg Stecher 

Benn Rafferty 

 

Maaaaarky

Demko

[IBatch]

37 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

Miller Pettersson Boeser 

Pearson Horvat Toffoli 

Ferland Gaudette Virtanen 

Roussell Beagle Macewan 

 

Motte Sutter Eriksson 

Graovac 

 

Hughes Tanev 

Edler Myers 

Fantenberg Stecher 

Benn Rafferty 

 

Maaaaarky

Demko

That’s a lot of depth right there...and what a third line !   
 

Question is what will next years team look like with LE still in the lineup.   Trade him and most of our problems go away - not a fan of cap dumps and buy-outs - it just prolongs the pain.   We can expect that if we sign TT that Pearson will be gone ... Stetcher will get the Hutton treatment ... Leivo gone.   And maybe one more player.  

[Tracksuit]

Spooner,Benn,LE,sutter, Bear Ect  what’s the cost of short sighted overpayments.
Jimmie  shouldn’t be allowed near the building when the ufa window opens.

benning fan boys continue to say the Flat cap won’t hurt us yet every REAL hockey personality/expect has said the ridiculous overspending to be a bottom feeder will cost us deeply in the long term....
Now the teams ready to take the next step except it needs to take a huge step backward to cover the expensive pointless signings.
Trading a first or a Boeser not being able to sign key parts of the team to clear or cover what can only be described as short sighted stupidity.
Only good news is he won’t be able to give another 30+ year old a 6Year 6million dollar deal. 

And the Confidence in drafting left with Bracket.   
 

[GhostsOf1994]

49 minutes ago, IBatch said:

That’s a lot of depth right there...and what a third line !   
 

Question is what will next years team look like with LE still in the lineup.   Trade him and most of our problems go away - not a fan of cap dumps and buy-outs - it just prolongs the pain.   We can expect that if we sign TT that Pearson will be gone ... Stetcher will get the Hutton treatment ... Leivo gone.   And maybe one more player.  

L.e. told you're going to the AHL or retire or mutual termination.

 

Baertschi sealed his fate, bad choice to not take part in play-ins since he wants to stay in the NHL.

 

Sutter seems like excess luxury, maybe swap his cap for a d man making similar money and term.

 

Benn send him to Dallas please! If not for us, than for Jordie.

 

Out:

Eriksson 6

Baer 3.6

Sutter 4.750

Benn 2

 

Motte walks

Stecher walks/ not q.o/ traded

Fantenberg leaves via ufa

Domingue 50/50 if Demko is traded. 

 

next year...

 

[IBatch]

24 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

L.e. told you're going to the AHL or retire or mutual termination.

 

Baertschi sealed his fate, bad choice to not take part in play-ins since he wants to stay in the NHL.

 

Sutter seems like excess luxury, maybe swap his cap for a d man making similar money and term.

 

Benn send him to Dallas please! If not for us, than for Jordie.

 

Out:

Eriksson 6

Baer 3.6

Sutter 4.750

Benn 2

 

Motte walks

Stecher walks/ not q.o/ traded

Fantenberg leaves via ufa

Domingue 50/50 if Demko is traded. 

 

next year...

 

Bear isn’t going anywhere- guess it’s possible he bolts to the KHL but it won’t be to another NHL team.   Sutter is a cap dump - no way a team wants his 40ish games at that cap hit for 14 or so points - face off prowess or otherwise.   Benn to Dallas is a possibility.   
 

LE won’t retire until he doesn’t want to play anymore hockey.   At 2 million most teams would be happy to have him...at six ha ha not a chance.  Don’t see him going anywhere.   The only player on our roster that we could trade without a cap dump is Pearson and JV.   Both would hurt to lose - if it doesn’t hurt then nobody would bother.   We will lose something - maybe Tanev.   TT is a luxury we can’t afford yet- doubt we re-sign him.   Roussel is a maybe... if he has a great playoff maybe we could trade him without it becoming a plus Lind, plus Hogs, plus Podz sort of situation.   The above is pure fantasy. 

[alt kilgore]

https://thecanuckway.com/2020/07/02/canucks-loui-eriksson-agree-contract-termination/

 

Should Canucks and Loui Eriksson agree to a contract termination?

Despite a mid-season resurgence of sorts on the Vancouver Canucks‘ second line, Loui Eriksson’s days as a key offensive contributor are long gone. Even with some more than capable minutes in a defensive-minded role, he still found himself in the press box frequently this past season.

 

As Eriksson’s $3 million signing bonus was just paid on July 1, many have wondered if a mutual contract termination between the two sides could finally end “The Little Things” saga in Vancouver. But is this really a plausible outcome, or just wishful thinking from Canucks fans?

 

 

 

[Primal Optimist]

Looking at the total Canucks liabilitites on CapFriendly, comparing to the player: As soon as free buyout goes live: Ericsson is a FREE AGENT. You heard it here thurd. 

[86Viking]

On 7/14/2020 at 4:18 PM, MrCanuck94 said:

I wonder if it really would be higher depending on the team. That high cap hit with lower actual money owed would be very attractive to a team like Ottawa.

It is attractive to the Sens but they will still want to take JB to the bank to take it off our hands. We would have to add to the 1st imo, they could ask for Jake, OJ or Demko as an additional sweetener. 

 

Tor sent Carolina a 1st for 1 yr of Marleau, LoserSSon has 2 abysmal seasons left, so if i was a team willing to take that contract I would want a haul from JB, otherwise let him stress and miss out on signing someone like Tanev or Toffoli due to his poor cap structuring HE put this team in. 1 person to blame and it falls on the GM, that is the price they pay...you get hailed and fans/owner loves you if you are successful and win a Cup. But when you just start turning the corner and you have some contracts with term left that are hindering you from keeping you UFA's and signing your RFA's that is nothing more than a FAIL by the GM.

 

I think we ride things out, we can't start giving up more high picks or prospects to try and off load players, all we can hope is we can move players like Sven, Sutter & Benn and if he have to retain a bit so be it. Try to shed a few million bucks wherever you can. Hope you can find someone to take LoserSSon obviously!! but if we retain some of his cap and or wait till his next Bonus is paid then trade him to say Ottawa.

 

I hope GM JB has a very active and productive off season, Hope he can retain Marky for the right term/price, Toffoli and Tanev. May not happen but he has to get creative and be willing to move other players with salary out if we can't rid ourselves of LoserSSon without giving up another 1st or high level prospect (Hogz/Podz)

 

Time to GRIND real hard GM JB and see if you can sign our current players and move out salary who we can't afford to pay a high salary to Vs what they bring to the team.

 

Best of luck JB, won't be easy but you got to try and move as much salary out as possible, hopefully try to extend EP and QH this off season also!

[wai_lai416]

20 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Most free agents worth signing would appreciate the team icing the most competitive lineup they can.  The only guys who would balk at signing because of that are lazy floaters who can't handle the coach benching them when they're playing like complete garbage.  We can live without those players.  Any actual NHL player has seen LE's pitiful excuse for effort and would completely understand why a team wouldn't want to waste ice time on that useless piece of trash.  LE should consider himself lucky if another NHL team is stupid enough to let him disgrace their uniform.

well if you are a big name free agent.. and if you are about to sign a NTC and a long term contract with vancouver.. you look at loui.. if you tried to block a trade we will blackball you.. but i guess that won't matter anytime soon since we won't have cap space to sign any big free agents.. and as it stands we can't even afford to sign our own free agents.. and going to run into even more problem with hughes and pettersson coming up.. like it or not Loui ain't moving no one is going to take a 6mil cap hit for multiple years for a 1st lol.. if it cost Toronto a 1st and a 7th for 1 year of marleau just to buy him out.. teams will want at least 2 1st rounder to take on multiple years especially with the cap not going anywhere and plenty of good RFA coming up that teams will have issue keeping

[GhostsOf1994]

On 7/16/2020 at 8:23 AM, IBatch said:

Bear isn’t going anywhere- guess it’s possible he bolts to the KHL but it won’t be to another NHL team.   Sutter is a cap dump - no way a team wants his 40ish games at that cap hit for 14 or so points - face off prowess or otherwise.   Benn to Dallas is a possibility.   
 

LE won’t retire until he doesn’t want to play anymore hockey.   At 2 million most teams would be happy to have him...at six ha ha not a chance.  Don’t see him going anywhere.   The only player on our roster that we could trade without a cap dump is Pearson and JV.   Both would hurt to lose - if it doesn’t hurt then nobody would bother.   We will lose something - maybe Tanev.   TT is a luxury we can’t afford yet- doubt we re-sign him.   Roussel is a maybe... if he has a great playoff maybe we could trade him without it becoming a plus Lind, plus Hogs, plus Podz sort of situation.   The above is pure fantasy. 

Bear was almost traded this year, the other team wanted retention, GMJB said no.

 

Bear keeping himself out only damages his chances at an nhl gig next year, whether or not its in Van.

 

You seemed to have missed the point of Sutter being swapped for a similar contract, for say a D man.

 

Just an example

Sutter 

Eriksson

For

P.k. subban 

 

Not so hard to grasp? 10.5 cap out, 9 million in.

 

L.E. wouldn't have a choice, AHL riding the bus in Utica or accept a trade to whatever team will take him, voila!

 

TT, Tanev and Marky will be signed. All 3 want to be here and with covid and the cap not increasing its more likely then not all 3 take shorter term deals.

 

Rooster ain't going anywhere, he's the current version of honey badger. Unless a team makes an offer of say a 2nd or prospect.

 

You win cups with players like rooster, beagle, ferkie.

 

You want fantasy? I got a private shoebox side show if that's your thing...

 

[IBatch]

On 7/15/2020 at 11:30 PM, wai_lai416 said:

lol ericsson is still a far superior defensive player than majority of our bottom 6. Green will keep him on the team just for that. i am sure no free agents would have vancouver as their preferred signing spot if words leak out that if you exercise your no trade clause, the team will blackball you lol. as much as you guys all hate on ericsson, he is far more effective in the D zone than majority of our bottom 6 and as a penalty killer.. his +/- reflects that.

So not to pick on you - but another post you laid out your thoughts pretty well on that JB time is up and should be fired...yet here you are protecting his worst move.   A little ironic don’t you think?   
 

And yes I agree with this post well done. He shouldn’t be replaced unless someone else bumps him out. McEwen has promise and for sure Lind does too...not to mention Podz.  The clock is definitely ticking on LE and whether or not he loses his job and is sent down.  Last year Ladd went through the same thing in NYI and of course JB has already done this a few times with Bear and Gagne (and little blow-back both times it made a lot of sense).   TG ultimately has the most input.  Currently LE is playing to stay - like a possessed man.    Nothing could be better for the club then if he can earn more of his pay-cheque.   If and when he can’t not a big deal.   

[IBatch]

On 7/17/2020 at 2:05 PM, GhostsOf1994 said:

Bear was almost traded this year, the other team wanted retention, GMJB said no.

 

Bear keeping himself out only damages his chances at an nhl gig next year, whether or not its in Van.

 

You seemed to have missed the point of Sutter being swapped for a similar contract, for say a D man.

 

Just an example

Sutter 

Eriksson

For

P.k. subban 

 

Not so hard to grasp? 10.5 cap out, 9 million in.

 

L.E. wouldn't have a choice, AHL riding the bus in Utica or accept a trade to whatever team will take him, voila!

 

TT, Tanev and Marky will be signed. All 3 want to be here and with covid and the cap not increasing its more likely then not all 3 take shorter term deals.

 

Rooster ain't going anywhere, he's the current version of honey badger. Unless a team makes an offer of say a 2nd or prospect.

 

You win cups with players like rooster, beagle, ferkie.

 

You want fantasy? I got a private shoebox side show if that's your thing...

 

Your trade is pure fantasy too but other then that I like your enthusiasm.    Definitely agree you win cups with vets who are raring to go and make a difference.   

[Gurn]

On 7/17/2020 at 11:05 AM, GhostsOf1994 said:

L.E. wouldn't have a choice,

Yes he has a choice, all he has to do is put PK's team on his list of 15 teams he refuses to be traded to.

[Chris12345]

My 2 cents...

 

Marleau is better than Loui

 

Marleau was making $6M with 1 year left

 

Therefore market price before COVID was 1 first = $6M

 

Loui has 2 years at $6M or cash flow of $8M

 

I would say market price for Loui is way more than a first....probably 2.

 

 

[IBatch]

On 7/15/2020 at 11:58 PM, King Heffy said:

Most free agents worth signing would appreciate the team icing the most competitive lineup they can.  The only guys who would balk at signing because of that are lazy floaters who can't handle the coach benching them when they're playing like complete garbage.  We can live without those players.  Any actual NHL player has seen LE's pitiful excuse for effort and would completely understand why a team wouldn't want to waste ice time on that useless piece of trash.  LE should consider himself lucky if another NHL team is stupid enough to let him disgrace their uniform.

Heffy I appreciate your enthusiasm- but any team or players that called or thought of another player on their team as trash isn’t playing in the NHL.    Think about it for a minute. If it was 1994 and the cap didn’t matter wouldn’t we be glad to have a veteran guy like him on our team playing up and down the lineup but because of our current depth relegated to the fourth line?  Absolutely we would.  And in fact we kind of did in Ryan Walter.   Former Captain of the Habs - loads of experience but near the end of his road and anchored our fourth line.    Is Beagle much better?  Or Motte?  Hmmm.   Food for thought.   It is what it is, yes in the cap universe he’s probably not worth more then 2.5 million right now.    We ice him and the team is likely better the McEwen or Lind right now.  You can bet TG will make the decision to demote him only if he feels we are better without him.