Ray_Cathode

Nils actually reminds me of Kuzmenko in his style of play.

Rathbone has played a total of 115 minutes of NHL ice time to this point, with a year in the middle where he hardly played, a little early to decide he’s not up to it isn’t it?

Rathbone’s development was put in reverse while serving with the black aces during the Covid year. He hardly played a game that year anywhere. Prior to that, he was a top three prospect, 2nd team all star in the AHL. Health issues plagued him this year. You might want to look at Brisebois to see what kind of experience is required to build an NHL defenceman - and it looks like Brisebois will have to be separated from Myers to continue his development.

I’m not concerned about Hronek’s ability or his character, I’m concerned about his health. We have a history of acquiring health problems: Baertschi, Ferland, Dermott, Poolman, and now Hronek. He is only worth it if the shoulder is not a permanent issue. Oh, you mean the fourth. A fourth has one quarter the value of a second, one eighth the value of a first in terms of the likelihood of yielding a player that plays over a hundred games in the NHL - a minor detail compared to a high first and a high second.

Brisebois out of position on Stetcher’s goal.

He played less than half a season with Fox as his partner. He was put on the second unit because his coach gave him the responsibility of leading the defensive checking unit. Anything tonight that you accuse him of, you have a guy making six mil being infinitely worse. Myers = -2, Rathbone = +1.

Myers for the tank: M1 Abrams.

Vancouver 2: Tire Fire 2.

Rathbone’s play causing the offside at the Canuck blue line was exactly the kind of anticipation he used when he came up his rookie year in Utica. We’ll see if he can get away with that in the NHL.

Finally gutting a scouting department renowned for not finding much after the first two rounds - that is, when Benning didn’t trade away those slots for guys like peg leg OEL or not bother to re-sign the guys he traded away our draft slots for, like Tofolli. Our new guys trade a first and a second for a guy with a season ending shoulder injury - just to keep our tradition alive. I have no confidence that it will be us taking our first pick i& there is somebody else in the league in need of season ending surgery. It is actually possible that it would have been wiser to trade ou4 own first rather than the Isles first. Damn, I never saw that coming.

Are you saying Lekkerimaki is deceased? I had not heard. Well, OEL is impossible to trade, if we put him on the ice we will not only lose hockey games, we will lose players that want to win, like Hughes, Pettersson, and Demko - players that want to win some time before they are eligible for CPP. Om day one of the next season, everyone is a contender until they prove otherwise. My biggest concern is that Yzerman knew something the Canucks didn’t bother to find out when they traded for Hronek. Pretty much every year in the NHL a half a dozen players not expected to amoun5 to anything, amount to something. Last year, proving that that is possible for the Canucks under new management, Kuzmenko was one o& those guys. This fall, it could happen again. I know, it’s unlikely. The sinkhole JB buried them in is very deep. But Benning doesn’t strike me as the kind o& genius who could bury them so deep that it would take a. volcano to spit them out. He just doesn’t strike me as that kind of villainous genius, he is more like your average shirt-sighted dumbbell.

Woo with a goal and an assist tonight. This young man just keeps getting better. I know it’s the player that has to do it, but he does seem to have come along nicely with the new coaching staff.

If he can stay healthy, and the team remains strong around him, he could have a monster year next year. Something to look forward to.

There was a time in my life when crazy people were removed from the streets and placed in institutions. One of the problems then was abuse within the institutions. Now, I’m 74 and I have seen governments come and go, and I have to wonder if anything so blind, deaf and dumb as a government can look after anything without killing it. Now, a child is without a father and I would imagine, a wife without a husband because he had the effrontery to be concerned for the welfare of his child. It’s time to remove the crazies from the streets once again, there are innocent people being attacked on a more or less regular basis, and an industry has been constructed to provide great livings for people to keep them there. The distinctive characteristic of human beings is the capacity for rational thought: and people who ever display aggression should never lose their liberty. But attacking other people and their property should result in incarceration every time. I have read in the past that it is same small percentage of people that commit 85% of the crime, and that most crime is committed by the same people be constantly released back onto the street. There must be mandatory sentences for repeat offenders. That will result in a lot of unemployed lawyers and the like, but I never loved lawyers all that much, anyway. Lawyers and ward healers strike me as profiting way too much from human misery. And that goes for the judges that keep throwing criminals back out on the street and the politicians and bureaucrats that pander to them. It’s time to put the industry that keeps inflicting humanity with the crazy and the criminal out of business. Time that they earned an honourable living. I have all the time in the world for the victims, and none for the criminal, the crazy, and their enablers.

OEL is a 7.2 mil luxury we can’t afford, especially for the crap game he brings. 7.2 mil and -24 do not go together… unless you are OEL.

There is more than a little droll in Alf. Adjust your sights accordingly.

Great to see Brady connect with the community. My kids both went to Chief Dan.

Yep. And more coming. When we are healthy again in Van, McDonough likely comes down, also Max Sasson, a promising free-agent C, Jurmo and Johansson, likely coming over in the new year, and likely a couple more college FA’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if we picked up a couple of junior FAs, too. If we sign them to Abby contracts, it doesn’t count against our 50 contract limit.

That’s a claim with no supporting evidence. The only existing evidence is the record since Tocchet arrived. Before OEL got hurt, the Canucks were 3w 4l 0t; after OEL got hurt, we were 15w 9l 2t. That does not argue that we would be “doing it”, it argues that we would have continued to be awful… because the problem was OEL. When he plays we are in the Bedard sweepstakes with an arrow pointed down, when he’s gone we are a playoff team. Not only that, OEL was visibly, measurably awful. He was -24, when none of the other D were even half that - that means that he was a major contributor to them being minus. OEL getting hurt was the artillery that killed the tank.

Cap hit calc is below. The actual question is this, do you want to spend 7.2 mil per on a player that is a liability, or less than that. Paying 7.2 is more than 4.7,right? How does paying 7.2 spring any money whatsoever to pay for Pettersson etc.? As long as 7.2 > 4.7 it doesn’t. Plus you are stuck with OEL taking up 1 of 23 spots. After his contract expires, we will have four years of 2.2 mil cap hit. By the time we hit the penalty years, the prime of this team will be nearing its end. We will save 7 mil in the first year, 5 the second and 3.4 the third and fourth, then pay four years of 2.2 penalty. That has to be lined up against the time period that this team has a window to win - most likely the next four years. After that period we will have a burnt a Miller older than God making 8 mil per. With increases in the cap, 2 mil per won’t matter, this team’s window will be likely over and time to divest this group an$ rebuild properly. OEL, by the way, has a full no trade, and has expressed that he is unwilling to waive. The only way out is if his injury is permanent and he settles in on the LTIR. Cap Hit Calculations SEASON INITIAL BASE SALARY INITIAL CAP HIT SIGNING BONUS BUYOUT COST POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS SAVINGS CAP HIT (VAN) CAP HIT (ARI) 2023-24 $10,500,000 $8,250,000 $0 $2,416,667 $2,416,667 $8,083,333 $146,667 $20,000 2024-25 $8,000,000 $8,250,000 $0 $2,416,667 $2,416,667 $5,583,333 $2,346,667 $320,000 2025-26 $5,250,000 $8,250,000 $0 $2,416,667 $2,416,667 $2,833,333 $4,766,667 $650,000 2026-27 $5,250,000 $8,250,000 $0 $2,416,667 $2,416,667 $2,833,333 $4,766,667 $650,000 2027-28 $0 $0 $0 $2,416,667 $2,416,667 -$2,416,667 $2,126,667 $290,000 2028-29 $0 $0 $0 $2,416,667 $2,416,667 -$2,416,667 $2,126,667 $290,000 2029-30 $0 $0 $0 $2,416,667 $2,416,667 -$2,416,667 $2,126,667 $290,000 2030-31 $0 $0 $0 $2,416,667 $2,416,667 -$2,416,667 $2,126,667 $290,000 TOTAL $29,000,000 $33,000,000 $0 $19,333,333 $19,333,333 $9,666,667 $20,533,336(88%)

What on earth are you talking about? Is that really your argument? Look up ‘Straw Man’ under logical fallacies. OEL wasn’t worth the cap when he was healthy, it was a totally I’ll-conceived trade from the moment it crossed whatever Benning used instead of a mind. It is his tradition of concussion cases: Baertschi, Ferland, Poolman, Dermott and the like and overpayment of superannuated has beens like Beagle, Roussel, Eriksson, OEL, and the like. The problem is that JBs boys did not do their homework - OEL was awful as far back as 2016-17. Even then he was bucking for league worst minus - a tradition he has resumed this year. Was he playing hurt back then, too? Or are the Canucks in the business of over-paying for all the walking wounded in the NHL and paying top dollar for keeping them on the LTIR

No. I want to move from having 7.2 mil in dead cap to having 2.7 in useful cap - the DEAD cap leaving with OEL. Anything we pay OEL results in him being in the line-up. Don’t know if you’ve noticed, but we are tied for first in the league over the past ten games + since he’s been out. That is no accident. We have three guys that are effective playing for that 2.7 mil - Brisebois, Juulsen and Wolanin. That is useful cap as opposed to the blizzard of dung that hits us with OEL in the lineup.

I award you the Iron Cross for irony award.

I didn’t want to trade OEL because he’s hurt, I want him bought out because he’s awful and not worth anywhere near the cap hit, and wasn’t even worth it when he was healthy. This team will struggle to ice a playoff calibre defence UNDER the cap, until he’s outa here. Never wanted to trade Petey at all, don’t make stuff up. It is paying OELs contract that is the primary cause of being cap-strapped, since he is untradeable, that can only be resolved by buying him out. Myers contract is much easier to get rid of - though he is our only big D for certain match-ups. As for Pearson,Dermott and Poolman, we might as well accept that they are more or less permanent LTIR - The two defenders being the kind of end injury types that Benning used to send his scouts out to find.