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Wally seems to be in hiding. Why isn't management taking most of the heat.

You'd think he would be cracking skulls so to speak. Worst loss under his tenure in BC against the Ti-Cats last week and then the first loss against Montreal at home in 15 years, throw in the Arceneaux circus side show. He needs to fix this mess and fix it fast or 21,000 fans a game will be a pipe dream.

You'd think the lowest attendance in 13 years would be an eye opener.

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You'd think he would be cracking skulls so to speak. Worst loss under his tenure in BC against the Ti-Cats last week and then the first loss against Montreal at home in 15 years, throw in the Arceneaux circus side show. He needs to fix this mess and fix it fast or 21,000 fans a game will be a pipe dream.

You'd think the lowest attendance in 13 years would be an eye opener.

I must have missed this..what is going on with Manny?

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I must have missed this..what is going on with Manny?

Lions’ Arceneaux pulls up on field, lashes out off it at victorious, ‘not talented’ Alouettes
Struggling Leos have serious evaluation ahead in upcoming bye week
By Mike Beamish, Vancouver Sun August 21, 2015
VANCOUVER — B.C. Lions wide receiver Manny Arceneaux is a grudge collector, a player who uses emotional slights, some real, most dreamed up by his vivid imagination, as fuel to power him on the football field.

He can come off as an unguided North Korean missile, capable of bringing destruction on the enemy but also prone to boomeranging, resulting in collateral damage to his own team.

Thursday night was one of those times.

“Montreal isn’t good,” Arceneaux told a TSN 1040 reporter in the wake of an historic 23-13 loss to the Alouettes before an announced crowd of 20,977. “They’re not talented whatsoever. I don’t respect nobody on their side of the ball.”

The double negative in Arceneaux’s graceless grammatical construction is apropos, since he didn’t even wave at a late-game throw that turned into a game-turning interception, while hanging his quarterback out to dry. Post-game, when one might have expected contrition, Arceneaux instead offered castigation, dumping on a team that cut through the Lions for 251 rushing yards for Montreal’s first win at BC Place Stadium since Aug. 31, 2000.

“He made a great diving catch,” Lions head coach Jeff Tedford said of the interception by Alouettes halfback Dominique Ellis that led to Montreal’s winning score. “We didn’t dive for it. They did.”

The “we” was Arceneaux, who pulled up on a sideline throw by Lulay that Ellis wanted more. The interception was turned into a fourth-quarter touchdown run by backup quarterback Tanner Marsh seven plays later. That was the back-breaker for the Montrealers.

“I was just scrambling out of the pocket, Manny was coming across the field, and I thought I had a chance to complete it,” Lulay explained. “It didn’t happen … so.”

Lulay’s thought trailed off, much as the Lions are fading in the consciousness of the Vancouver sports fans. Now out of sight, out of mind for the next seven days, as the 3-5 team begins a bye week in the Canadian Football League schedule, the Lions have some serious evaluation ahead of them. Such as: What were they thinking when they released Stefan (Joystick) Logan, then Tim (Downtown) Brown, without a comparable return specialist in place?

Logan, also part of a three-pronged Montreal rushing attack that included Tyrell Sutton and Brandon Rutley, had a 185 combined yards against his former team. It could have been much more. He had returns of 58 and 68 yards nullified by penalties.

“No matter my age (34), the point is, can I still play this game?” Logan said. “I can still finish. I could have had 300 yards. Was I any more motivated against the Lions? No. I’ve been playing this way for the past five games. I’m motivated every game, to come out here and do what I do.”

High energy and motivation are the hallmarks of Tedford’s coaching philosophy, a culture he tried to instil during training camp. While the Lions looked to be a more engaged team than they were five days earlier — how could they not be, when the quotient was close to zero in a 30-point loss to the Hamilton Tiger-Cats? — the team remains formless, predictable and vulnerable. With many rookies and newcomers, including a head coach still feeling his way after 20 years removed from the CFL game, the Lions lack an identity and — in the case of Arceneaux — a sense of accountability.

Asked if he’s “mystified” by his team’s performance after eight games, one short of the halfway mark, Lulay doesn’t disagree.

“That’s what we’ve been, to this point,” he said. “We’re far too up and down. We’ve gotta find a level of consistency, to have a chance to win every week. We haven’t been a steady team. Our lows are too low. We’ve had a few, high highs. But we’ve got to find a steadier, upward trajectory in our growth than we’ve displayed so far.”

The absence of middle linebacker Solomon Elimimian (torn Achilles) has robbed the Lions of a bedrock veteran who infuses passion into every play. Still, the defensive struggles were happening well before Elimimian went down a week ago in Hamilton.

The Lions came into the Montreal game with the weakest defence against the pass and the most porous against the rush (tied with Winnipeg). B.C. had allowed a league worst average of 406.7 yards in its first seven games. Montreal rolled up 411 in game No. 8.

Jabar Westerman seems miscast as a defensive end. Khreem Smith is 36 years old, but the Lions can’t seem to find anybody better. Craig Roh, a defensive end by trade and composition, is learning how to play defensive tackle. The secondary lacks another take-charge veteran in the style of Dante Marsh.

But when the attack is a dull knife, when Lulay is left scrambling for his life, when Andrew Harris is rendered a non-factor (eight carries, 10 yards against the Alouettes), and receivers don’t make plays in must-have situations, the defence simply wears out and the ugly stats pile up.

As the lightning rod in the storm, Arceneaux’s rash words merely added more ugliness to the stack.

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Lions’ Arceneaux pulls up on field, lashes out off it at victorious, ‘not talented’ Alouettes
Struggling Leos have serious evaluation ahead in upcoming bye week
By Mike Beamish, Vancouver Sun August 21, 2015
VANCOUVER — B.C. Lions wide receiver Manny Arceneaux is a grudge collector, a player who uses emotional slights, some real, most dreamed up by his vivid imagination, as fuel to power him on the football field.

He can come off as an unguided North Korean missile, capable of bringing destruction on the enemy but also prone to boomeranging, resulting in collateral damage to his own team.

Thursday night was one of those times.

“Montreal isn’t good,” Arceneaux told a TSN 1040 reporter in the wake of an historic 23-13 loss to the Alouettes before an announced crowd of 20,977. “They’re not talented whatsoever. I don’t respect nobody on their side of the ball.”

The double negative in Arceneaux’s graceless grammatical construction is apropos, since he didn’t even wave at a late-game throw that turned into a game-turning interception, while hanging his quarterback out to dry. Post-game, when one might have expected contrition, Arceneaux instead offered castigation, dumping on a team that cut through the Lions for 251 rushing yards for Montreal’s first win at BC Place Stadium since Aug. 31, 2000.

“He made a great diving catch,” Lions head coach Jeff Tedford said of the interception by Alouettes halfback Dominique Ellis that led to Montreal’s winning score. “We didn’t dive for it. They did.”

The “we” was Arceneaux, who pulled up on a sideline throw by Lulay that Ellis wanted more. The interception was turned into a fourth-quarter touchdown run by backup quarterback Tanner Marsh seven plays later. That was the back-breaker for the Montrealers.

“I was just scrambling out of the pocket, Manny was coming across the field, and I thought I had a chance to complete it,” Lulay explained. “It didn’t happen … so.”

Lulay’s thought trailed off, much as the Lions are fading in the consciousness of the Vancouver sports fans. Now out of sight, out of mind for the next seven days, as the 3-5 team begins a bye week in the Canadian Football League schedule, the Lions have some serious evaluation ahead of them. Such as: What were they thinking when they released Stefan (Joystick) Logan, then Tim (Downtown) Brown, without a comparable return specialist in place?

Logan, also part of a three-pronged Montreal rushing attack that included Tyrell Sutton and Brandon Rutley, had a 185 combined yards against his former team. It could have been much more. He had returns of 58 and 68 yards nullified by penalties.

“No matter my age (34), the point is, can I still play this game?” Logan said. “I can still finish. I could have had 300 yards. Was I any more motivated against the Lions? No. I’ve been playing this way for the past five games. I’m motivated every game, to come out here and do what I do.”

High energy and motivation are the hallmarks of Tedford’s coaching philosophy, a culture he tried to instil during training camp. While the Lions looked to be a more engaged team than they were five days earlier — how could they not be, when the quotient was close to zero in a 30-point loss to the Hamilton Tiger-Cats? — the team remains formless, predictable and vulnerable. With many rookies and newcomers, including a head coach still feeling his way after 20 years removed from the CFL game, the Lions lack an identity and — in the case of Arceneaux — a sense of accountability.

Asked if he’s “mystified” by his team’s performance after eight games, one short of the halfway mark, Lulay doesn’t disagree.

“That’s what we’ve been, to this point,” he said. “We’re far too up and down. We’ve gotta find a level of consistency, to have a chance to win every week. We haven’t been a steady team. Our lows are too low. We’ve had a few, high highs. But we’ve got to find a steadier, upward trajectory in our growth than we’ve displayed so far.”

The absence of middle linebacker Solomon Elimimian (torn Achilles) has robbed the Lions of a bedrock veteran who infuses passion into every play. Still, the defensive struggles were happening well before Elimimian went down a week ago in Hamilton.

The Lions came into the Montreal game with the weakest defence against the pass and the most porous against the rush (tied with Winnipeg). B.C. had allowed a league worst average of 406.7 yards in its first seven games. Montreal rolled up 411 in game No. 8.

Jabar Westerman seems miscast as a defensive end. Khreem Smith is 36 years old, but the Lions can’t seem to find anybody better. Craig Roh, a defensive end by trade and composition, is learning how to play defensive tackle. The secondary lacks another take-charge veteran in the style of Dante Marsh.

But when the attack is a dull knife, when Lulay is left scrambling for his life, when Andrew Harris is rendered a non-factor (eight carries, 10 yards against the Alouettes), and receivers don’t make plays in must-have situations, the defence simply wears out and the ugly stats pile up.

As the lightning rod in the storm, Arceneaux’s rash words merely added more ugliness to the stack.

Thanks...yep..seems like a real mess alright.

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The worst part of summer is the CFL and especially the Lions of late.

It's really boring sports and has yet to hold my attention for an entire game. I'm always looking for a better game of something when the CFL is on.

Something is wrong. It's not even the talent level, it's just that the CFL game isn't that good.

I'm glad we're finally at September, US collage, and NFL are in full swing this week and I'll only be turning to the CFL to see the scores.

I used to be a huge CFL fan but no longer.

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The worst part of summer is the CFL and especially the Lions of late.

It's really boring sports and has yet to hold my attention for an entire game. I'm always looking for a better game of something when the CFL is on.

Something is wrong. It's not even the talent level, it's just that the CFL game isn't that good.

I'm glad we're finally at September, US collage, and NFL are in full swing this week and I'll only be turning to the CFL to see the scores.

I used to be a huge CFL fan but no longer.

IMO, there's just no importance in the games. Oh, you started the season with 5 straight losses in the CFL? Who cares, you're still in the running for the playoffs!

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IMO, there's just no importance in the games. Oh, you started the season with 5 straight losses in the CFL? Who cares, you're still in the running for the playoffs!

On the flip side though, in the NFL, your season is over if you lost the first 5 games. As a fan, why cheer for a team that is a dog when at 0-5 in the CFL, you still could have a chance to win the whole thing. It's about perspective I suppose. I don't think it cheapens the experience...afterall, you still get 7-9 teams in the playoffs in the NFL from time to time.

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On the flip side though, in the NFL, your season is over if you lost the first 5 games. As a fan, why cheer for a team that is a dog when at 0-5 in the CFL, you still could have a chance to win the whole thing. It's about perspective I suppose. I don't think it cheapens the experience...afterall, you still get 7-9 teams in the playoffs in the NFL from time to time.

That's true, but if you lose the first 5 games in the NFL but the rest of your division isn't doing too good either, then you begin chasing the wild card.

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I like Lulay but I have wanted to see what someone else could do for quite some time. He has no accuracy on his long ball and his decision making is not up to speed with what is happening on the field. I don't think Beck is the answer but until Lulay gets his stuff together he is the better choice.

It's time to stick a fork in Lulay. I don't forget his great work with this team but I think Father Time is catching up to him. This team needs a new young QB to groom.

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