oldnews Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 ^^ I agree. It's not like this decision was based on this season alone either. Alot of people thought AV should have been fired after last season when they won the President's trophy and got bounced in the first round. But despite his critics, Gillis was loyal and gave him another shot. Almost the same result this year. Not sure how anyone can say that coaching wasn't a factor. There's no way this team is out in 4 if their special teams were figured out during the regular season. But the reality is the coaching staff struggled all season to get everyone on the same page, and ultimately failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Letl llets just guess that Franco wanted Lui......and Lui would not stay for less........I know him,I want him, he good and Italian,,,,,,do you agree,,,well yes he is good, but it will expensive! Don't care, sign him......ok.....here is how by the rules...good do it by the way,I sure like that AV guy, can you work with him? We'll yes....good he's ours!...you just never know. As for Booth, he played pretty good when not injured......just doesn't stay healthy.......still, that could be behind him........Ballard/Edler ............Edler goes to Phili and Ballard goes to Detroit for picks,,,,Edler goes for sure.....PS.......his value is rated at the 16 best defenseman in the NHL as of April 30th, 2013...no not defensive, but neither is Green........there are not a lot of them....he has great value........averaged what? 25 minutes per game, PP specialist, - 1 regular season...........we just measure him against hamhuis instead of who ever in the east....remember 15th best in the entire NHL....................should be able to pick up Coutier and a 1st for Edler and our 1st....and that is the one I am betting on .....call it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruthHurts Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 The only reason that Gillis is still around is that he inherited AV rather than bringing in his own man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Yzerman's "on the spot" Gillis is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 real estate .. they are partners in some land developments .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Can you bungle a fiasco? Gillis will be judged on how he deals with the salary cap first. Obviously, that means dealing with the Robory Schneidongo situation, as well as Ballard, and Booth (even though he may stay, it's still over 4 mil in cap to be managed) . Anyone thinking Gillis is out of the hot seat is fooling themselves. He has a lot to answer for these coming weeks. He isn't going to be able to keep his job by simply saying one thing or another, he has to act upon his statements. Ownership should not take his relieval of Alain as sufficient offseason action. Neither should the fans. Gillis has a lot of work to do regarding improving this team based on the last 2 playoff performances, and hell, the inconsistent and confused play during the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 To me, it's like coaches' corner, where Cherry waxes all sentimental for the fired coach (as if he ever gave a shat about AV)... and plays the hard-done-by card. Ironically Cherry's biggest beef with Gillis was not moving Luongo - who wound up playing games 1 and 2, and in hindsight may have been in better condition than Schneider to play 3 and 4. I doubt AV himself sees his firing as a case of MG failing to supply players. He's probably as well aware as anyone the difficulty of acquiring the pieces they wanted. MG did some things AV probably really appreciated as a coach. MG stood by AV, moved Hodgson, got him a young power forward, and a shut down center in Pahlsson at the TD last year. But Daniel simply could not be replaced, and without a healthy lineup they weren't going to take out LA. This year Gillis may not have supplied a replacement for Malhotra, but AV got the team to where they needed to be without a healthy roster (meaning they won the division anyhow, had home-ice advantage) , and at the TD, again, Gillis landed AV a fair quality center. Gillis may not have moved Luongo for help elsewhere, but ironically, as both Lambert and Cherry remain oblivious to, the Canucks actually needed Luongo in the playoffs as much as any piece they may have gotten for him. I don't blame AV - imo, realistically, without a healthy Schneider, without Tanev, with Higgins hobbling, without Booth, with Ballard nursing a groin injury, they may still have been healthy enough, but add in the Nucks being constantly shorthanded thanks to Sutherland et al - I say Sutherland, Dan O'Halloran, Chris Lee and game management did as much to get AV fired as any other single factor. Perhaps Cherry would like to rant about that sometime. God knows if the Leafs were jobbed like that, he would have worn out his soapbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 From Puck Daddy, Another NHL coach fired because his general manager completely blew it (Trending Topics) http://sports.yahoo....-134739377.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 You reckon? Gillis not only didn't strengthen the Finals team he spent nigh on 3 years weakening it. AV liked it here and he's gone and the Architect of his downfall is still here spouting spin and lies.... Damn straight AV is pissed.........who wouldn't be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 That guy seems to have just read most of my threads and posts and put them together in this article. Do I have any copyright here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauii Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I have to admit some of MG's trades/acquisitions were head scratchers with AV at the helm. I'd like to see what changes he'll make without AV. MG should play to his strengths/passion and that's tapping talent and delegate/leave it to the professionals his weaknesses ie. business matters. He's a hockey guy not a business guy where the Aquilini's are business guys but big hockey fans like most of us. They are two different mind sets. And while we interject our opinions/observations bc we care and want this team to succeed, I'm assuming there's more to compiling and operating a team to a successful unit, and also why the coaches input is important. Sure consult each other and use their expertise/strength to offset your weaknesses. It would be uncommon for a person to excel in all facets. Raising ticket prices....I wouldn't have gone down that route and especially when the building hasn't been packed all season and the product hasn't been its best...not exactly strong selling features to the crowd. I wonder who's idea that was?? I would have just kept it status quo considering we already have the highest ticket prices and the cap is going down unless they're using the increase to offset the buy outs but if they're banking on tickets sales to offset these costs that's counting your chickens before they're hatched and hence not a very reliable source and considering ticket sales are just beginning to go down?? Again I would have not gone down this route. Demand hasn't exactly increased nor has Canucks viewership/attendance/popularity spiked to an all time high, it's been the exact opposite effect after years of steady support. Another head scratcher for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Gillis' ship is sinking and it all started when he signed Lou to that long term cap circumventing contract.Was he not aware that the New CBA might change the landscape?No freakin vison but that's not what he'd have you believe.Im not afforded the wealth to be an NHL Owner nor have the capacity to be a GM but if I was the guy signing the cheques I'd be mad as hell right now.If he's not on the spot now he damm well should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 So you agree with the pathetic explanation that AV was fired because the Northwest got stronger and Gillis didn't adapt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Gillis himself said he saw the trend years ago with Chicago, Boston, then LA, yet did nothing in the west where Manahiem and San Jose are as well. Pathetic is quite a word you use here to describe what Gillis says he saw as a trend and fully admits that he was late in countering with his soft-core team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 You evidently didn't read what Lambert said. It wasn't about the "west" - it was about the Northwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 If I was the CEO of a company I owned, and one of my divisional presidents....of the highest profile business in the corporation....had a press conference where he publically stated everyone was being reviewed, including the coaching staff, then took too long to make the decision, and it was leaked before the decision apparently took place, I'd feel accountable I didn't insist it was done immediately. Add to this the Luongo situation, the AHL situation.....I'd really start to look hard at who was running the highest profile company I own. That is where they come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 well why stop there? Did you think the Canucks were ill suited to make a push in the playoffs back when the season was under way? I sure did. Most of the hockey world did/does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnihilist Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 MG probably has a few years before he is "on the spot". They will let him change the coach, and try to do something with this core. If that fails, the best time for a new GM is when this core needs to be shipped out and a new one built. If that succeeds, and this core, surrounded by youth and vitality - actually is successful, then MG will be here to ship them out and replace it. So... the draft has nothing to do with it - no more than anything else. More importantly, let's see which coach it is, and how well it works. I expect precious sweet F all to happen besides a coaching change. More of the same minor changes that have happened before. But MG is not on the spot. Over-all, I like the management approach of trying to attract large name players - but they just haven't come. Sundin is the biggest name that has come here, and was also the first one under MG's watch. The other forwards have either been has-beens, or damaged goods. And we wonder why the team can't score? Really, if they aren't coming of their own free will, MG might actually have to make a real "hockey" trade and bring in someone of consequence. Not sure if he will, that would be too bold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I didn't see that trend take root in the Northwest - not at all. Edmonton has kept adding smallish skilled forwards and a puck moving, not particularly physical blueliner. Minnesota added Parise (who by standards around here is a "smurf") and Suter - not exactly a big punishing shutdown guy, actually more of a finesse shutdown blueliner. Colorado and Calgary - not easy to characterize but not big punishing teams to play against. The whole division is an anomaly relative to the 'trend' (Chicago and Detroit notwithstanding). Anyhow if you want to take it out of that context, to answer your question - no I don't think the Canucks were well suited for a playoff push when the season was under way. At the end of the season it looked like they may be getting back into shape, but then the returning players and Roy were replaced with new absences. I thought they'd desperately need Kesler - and I posted many times that I thought they needed another depth center with a shutdown bent who could win faceoffs to supplement Lapierre and keep the Sedins out of dzone starts. Easier said than done. It's rumoured that Gillis attempted to pry Gordon out of Phoenix and Goc out of Florida - two guys I would have agreed entirely with acquiring - but those types of players are not ones clubs necessarily want to part with, and there was very little movement. I thought Gillis did well to land Roy, but I still thought they needed another center - and particularly when Schroeder kept reinjuring his shoulder. Aside from that I thought the blueline was in good shape - when Tanev was healthy - and was very impressed with Corrado. Tanev's injury and Ballard's groin left them a bit thin. Schneider looked like his groin injury was obvioulsy still bothering him - so in the end not dealing Luongo wasn't necessarily such a braincramp with Lack unavailable step in due to injuries. Higgins was also hobbling with a knee injury and wasn't effective. If healthy, I think the team would have been as well positioned as the pack with the exception of lacking a defensive depth center. In the end however, I'm not extremely critical of AV or MG. There were some areas that were less than optimal, but the circumstances were also challenging - very little player movement, cap drop further hampering a Luongo deal, a lot of injuries around the league that left teams with less available roster players, etc. Also very few teams out of the race at the TD. Not a great context for getting the things done that some of us would have liked to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Gillis got off to a great start, adding Lapierre, Erhoff and Higgins. Since then. He's given away Hodgson, Grabner and a bunch of draft picks for complete garbage. He also never replaced Erhoff or Samuelson. How can he not be in the hot seat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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