DeNiro Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 No,Kassian does not,has not and refuses to reach his potential. He is eons away from it and supporting a young man that shows up half the time is not helping him. He will be 23 years old in a few months . Smyl was named captain of the Canucks at the same age. Hope somebody can wake up Kassian because as needs a healthy dose of 'between the ears' hormones. Maybe the real problem is fans unrealistic expectations of him. Comparing him to Bertuzzi off the bat, and using Smyl as a measuring stick for where he should be at are pretty unrealistic. Since when does a player automatically have to reach their potential at age 23? There's lots of players who were picked higher and are more hyped up than Kassian who are 23 and still haven't reached their potential. Again, it's about patience. Lots of powerforwards, including Bertuzzi, were lazy 4th liners who could barely stay in the lineup at age 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 No,Kassian does not,has not and refuses to reach his potential. He is eons away from it and supporting a young man that shows up half the time is not helping him. He will be 23 years old in a few months . Smyl was named captain of the Canucks at the same age. Hope somebody can wake up Kassian because as needs a healthy dose of 'between the ears' hormones. yes and Linden was co-captain at 20, and sole captain at 21, so Gaunce better jump off the horseride to bustville in a hurry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 So you are suggesting trading a team leading scorer for Duco was a good trade.. OK then.. herp derp indeed. Shirokov was our leading scorer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Time to ask the Sedins and Kesler to waive their NTC's. Conner McDavid looks like the real deal for 2015. Knowing our luck we'd lose the draft lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16ToWin Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 No. Kesler is/can be a premier defensive specialist. He didn't win the Selke for nothing. That's part of the problem his role as the counted-on secondary lead scorer is confusing even him I suspect. He got to 41 goals when his game WAS defensive orientated. Like Burrows, his offense came out and developed as a result of frustrating and confusing the opposition into turnovers and chances at the other end. That's where it should start with him. He could be a bonafied 3rd line elite center OR if he wants to evolve into more of an offensive threat he'd be better as a 2nd line winger. I'd have liked to have seen what a Higgins/Hansen - Hodgson - Kesler 2nd line would have done. Do you even read before posting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 You posted a goldfish.. well thought out by the way. ...in this very clearly hodgson oriented thread You are right. "Trade Kesler and redo the second line - standing pat for years is futile" Yes, that very clearly indicates the OP's intention to start a "Hodgson oriented thread." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 You are right. "Trade Kesler and redo the second line - standing pat for years is futile" Yes, that very clearly indicates the OP's intention to start a "Hodgson oriented thread." Prana is the defender of all things Hodgson. He'll turn any thread into a Hodgson thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16ToWin Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Do you even read before posting? Is/Can./. if.. not sure.. maybe.. what if.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Prana is the defender of all things Hodgson. He'll turn any thread into a Hodgson thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austy Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 What would kesler be like with the twins on the wing? Could santo take 2nd line center? maybe get kesler going a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Everyone knew this was the major problem going into the season. Is anyone really surprised we cant score? Im telling you, we make a few decent trades and pick up a free agent sniper. Add our up and coming young guys who have met expectations so far. And next year we might be contenders. This year we have no depth or cap space. Sedins look good , hopefully they can stay like this for 3-4 more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 yes and Linden was co-captain at 20, and sole captain at 21, so Gaunce better jump off the horseride to bustville in a hurry! Linden=character. Smyl= character. Gaunce=character. You missed Kassian,bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austy Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Kassian does seem to get excited when we score etc, and he tried that puck to skate to stick move on bure night which he almost pulled, would have been the greatest hockey homage of all time, he seems like a good guy, he will come through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prana16 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Shirokov was our leading scorer? Yep. for two years.. and I know that you know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prana16 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Prana is the defender of all things Hodgson. He'll turn any thread into a Hodgson thread. Haha.. ya go read the first page. All those posts talking about hodgson were all me .. I'm glad you two could take a break from giving each other back rubs in the other Hodgson threads you both incessantly post in week after week for months on end to join us here in this hodgson thread and tell us how we are obsessed Niro and oldnews.. how about a contest I'll bet this CDC account that, you both have more hodgson related posts than me. You bet your accounts the other way.. haha We all know this is never going to happen because you are both full of sh#t haha. But the challenge is there.. Who is the most obsessed with hodgson will love conquer hate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prana16 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 You are right. "Trade Kesler and redo the second line - standing pat for years is futile" Yes, that very clearly indicates the OP's intention to start a "Hodgson oriented thread." I said something about the intention of the OP??? Thats weird I don't' recall that. I said this was a clearly Hodgson oriented thread BECAUSE A VAST MAJORITY OF THE POSTERS BEFORE ME WERE MENTIONING HODGSON. the scarecrow pic seems to be your self portrait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 With all due respect, when Gillis was hired the Canucks (88 points) had just finished 27 points behind the Redwings and last in the Northwest, while Detroit (115 points) finished first in the Western Conference. Gillis' first year here, the team closed the gap - the Canucks won the NW, finished with 100 points while Detroit finished 2nd in the West with 112 pts. Vancouver has finished ahead of Detroit the past four seasons....Detroit has not made it past the Conference semifinals in those four years - a first round and three second round losses. Holland is a great GM, but being insulted by Gillis' respect for and attempt to emulate their system would be kind of daft. Look at is however you want, but Gillis inherited a much weaker team, one that has leapfrogged the Redwings. This is a very good post. One of the first thing Gillis did was bring in some more first rate talent to play with the twins or form his own line. Sundin came in and really did make the twins and Kesler much better players. I think where the team stands right now its got a first line, a very good two way center, surrounded by a bunch of third liners. I think MG needs to bring in some grade A talent to help Kesler's line if we really want to contend for a cup. The way it stands now we will probably get our act together eventually but wont last the first round . Not without upgrades. For all the folks who want to come here and bash Ryan Kesler........great. However, its childish and resolves nothing. Complaining about the Hodgson trade or trying to trade Kesler or yelling at him to produce = doing nothing. None of these options are realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Hansen & Higgins are great third liners on great contracts because of those limited NTC's. Without them we would be overpaying for players that aren't worth it like alot of teams. Actually that seems to fit Kassian's game quite while, he's very very strong along the boards, can protect the puck better than anyone on our team, he can cycle, and with his size has no issues going to the net & battling. There is a reason why Kassian has worked wonders with the Sedins before & hopefully we see him get a chance with them again soon. I'd love to see the game tape you've been watching. FYI kass's # is not 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Prana is the defender of all things Hodgson. He'll turn any thread into a Hodgson thread. I dont understand the continual never ending need to refight battles already fought and lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey795 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Lack of scoring is a problem, period. It must be becoming obvious to Torts that MG has been delaying the inevitable. Making some bold moves. It's understandable that no GM wants to give up true talent. But, GM's don't get paid for being nostalgic and protective of under performing big names. They do have to occasionally give up something of value to ensure a secure future for their teams. The Sedins are about the most consistent of the bunch, and it's very tempting to keep them around for that very reason. On the other hand, the Sedins have considerable value and at this stage of their career it would be a good idea to package them up sometime over the next 6 months in return for solid grit and scoring up front. Include Kesler, Booth and Kassian in that package. All of who are taking up valuable space on the ice (and in terms of cap space) with little to no return. Kesler and Booth should be hitting the back of the net at least every other game. We are not seeing that. The sad realization is, we are not going to see that. It's time to recognize the writing on the wall, make those bold trades,and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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