Too Early to call Kassian a dissapointment?

[kassquatchian]

Kass is sure playing well tonight. This is the guy we hope he can become on a consistent basis.

Up to the 3rd ther for a bit..deserved!

[Drakrami]

you see Santorelli? Here's a guy who's worked hard to earn his minutes. Kassian's just floating around. Have anyone see him ever back check? Whenever he is on the ice he is always floating around waiting for a breakaway. Maybe it is why Torts only gives him 5 minutes a game now.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

you see Santorelli? Here's a guy who's worked hard to earn his minutes. Kassian's just floating around. Have anyone see him ever back check? Whenever he is on the ice he is always floating around waiting for a breakaway. Maybe it is why Torts only gives him 5 minutes a game now.

Yes, lots

[messier's_elbow]

Kassian is 2 years away from being a top 6 player... absolutely no consistency,

[Henrik Kesler]

Kass played solid again tonight in limited minutes. Like every other player in the NHL, he needs more ice time to produce. Hopefully he can titrate up to the top 6, but getting a solid 12 minutes per night would be a step in the right direction as things currently stand.

[SergioMomesso]

Kass played solid again tonight in limited minutes. Like every other player in the NHL, he needs more ice time to produce. Hopefully he can titrate up to the top 6, but getting a solid 12 minutes per night would be a step in the right direction as things currently stand.

Kass may not get his chance to play in the top six anytime soon the way Higgins and Santo are playing. And you know Daniel ain't giving up his top line spot. So Kassian is in a battle between Hansen, Booth and Burrows for that last top sux spot. If he doesn't start putting up points consistently. He might just end up bouncing from the third and fourth line all season long. He has to make things happen even with his limited ice time.

[Benchsplinters]

Both Kasian and Edler are on Shannys hit list, and both of their physical games an overall games have gone downhill because of it.

Excuses, excuses, and more excuses. If Kassian is on that hit list, does it mean, he gets a pass and can remain a pylon for the rest of the season. The guy has done squat in his last 15 games and yet his compassionate fans continue to make excuses for his lack luster (equals nothing) play, game in and game out. He needs to go down to the AHL and learn how to play hockey and maybe after he has been schooled there he might get another opportunity to play with the Canucks. The key word is "might" there because he hasn't proved he is capable to be here now.

The guy has the world by the tail right now and he isn't smart enough to take advantage of it. All his supporters say he has the tools. Well did he sell those tools at a garage sale?

[Benchsplinters]

Kass played solid again tonight in limited minutes. Like every other player in the NHL, he needs more ice time to produce. Hopefully he can titrate up to the top 6, but getting a solid 12 minutes per night would be a step in the right direction as things currently stand.

I noted Alberts out there tonight but I sure as hell did not notice Kassian. For a while there I thought he might be a healthy scratch until I saw him sitting on the bench.

[NuckerGuy]

Someone tell me the things kassian does right

[Benchsplinters]

Someone tell me the things kassian does right

They can't because they have no bench mark to compare what he has done yet. Nothing = nothing.

[The Vancouver Connection]

kassian is a pylon.

[nuck nit]

THIS

Bit of a joke THAT.

One player plays against the league's top lines every game and the other plays sheltered minutes on the fourth line.

Player on league's worst team:

41 points in rookie year

34 pts-on pace for 55-60 pts in second season(lockout shortened)

On pace for 50 points in third year

Player on perennial playoff contending team:

On pace for 19 points in rookie year

On pace for 23 points in second year

On pace for 18 points in third year

Really,no comparison as one is a 50 pts+ NHL calibre player and one is a 20 point nhl player playing third and fourth line minutes.

Just hope Kass wakes up before Torts gets more confident behind the bench and tires of underachievement and underperormance.

[Plaguez]

Three coaches now have seen the same thing in Zack Kassian. Two of them have won the Jack Adams award and taken their respective team to the finals and one has a cup ring. At what point does responsibility actually fall on Kassian for the way he plays? Jordan Schroeder got sent down 3 times in favor of that freaking plug Ebbet and at times was demoted to the fourth line for no reason whatsoever. How did he respond? He showed improvement every time he was called up while demonstrating a solid two-way game. The rate that Hansen would score doubled when he played on Schroeder's line (the only other centreman that would cause this to happen was Henrik Sedin). Heck, look at David Booth. He was CDC's favorite whipping boy and now that he has a new skating coach and has actually put this magical thing called effort into his game the results are coming and so is the ice time he is earning under Torts.

Exactly.

The Kassian puck bunnies can't point to any significant stat to say this guy is a good player. He has the fourth worst iFenwick and iCorsi rating on the team for forwards, third worst iFenwick and iCorsi per 60.

For a big guy who finished checks, he has only managed 32 hits to date.

He isn't doing anything that any other plug couldn't do.

Those are the existing FACTS ladies. But I guess when you can't present facts to back up your hyperbole, it's best to make up and fantasize about what could be, right?

[Benchsplinters]

You can't argue against the fact that nothing = nothing. So, it really isn't too early to call Kassian a disappointment. A big disappointment. Therefore, disappointment = nothing. Q.E.D.

[Absent Canuck]

Bit of a joke THAT.

One player plays against the league's top lines every game and the other plays sheltered minutes on the fourth line.

Player on league's worst team:

41 points in rookie year

34 pts-on pace for 55-60 pts in second season(lockout shortened)

On pace for 50 points in third year

Player on perennial playoff contending team:

On pace for 19 points in rookie year

On pace for 23 points in second year

On pace for 18 points in third year

Really,no comparison as one is a 50 pts+ NHL calibre player and one is a 20 point nhl player playing third and fourth line minutes.

Just hope Kass wakes up before Torts gets more confident behind the bench and tires of underachievement and underperormance.

Your post makes no sense. You cherry picked the stats and spun them without any real context. First off, nobody plays 'sheltered' minutes on a fourth line. They are probably the hardest , most unrewarding minutes a player can get.

There is no player who gets first line minutes and plays the 1/2 wall on the first unit power play who wont get at least 60 points.

Sestito would get 50 plus points if you gave him 20 min a game under those juicy conditions.

As stated earlier in the thread, you Hodgson apologists will only ever cherry pick his 'points' and ignore the rest because he is useless in every other way.

Problem with your theory is that he is doing crap with those minutes. I cant find a single time in NHL history since expansion that your teams leading scorer got less than 60 points. Even if it exists somewhere , surely we can all agree that Hodgson is on pace to challenge the record for ineptitude.

Those are also the facts.

[higgyfan]

Bit of a joke THAT.

One player plays against the league's top lines every game and the other plays sheltered minutes on the fourth line.

Player on league's worst team:

41 points in rookie year

34 pts-on pace for 55-60 pts in second season(lockout shortened)

On pace for 50 points in third year

Player on perennial playoff contending team:

On pace for 19 points in rookie year

On pace for 23 points in second year

On pace for 18 points in third year

Really,no comparison as one is a 50 pts+ NHL calibre player and one is a 20 point nhl player playing third and fourth line minutes.

Just hope Kass wakes up before Torts gets more confident behind the bench and tires of underachievement and underperormance.

That wouldn't be so bad. The best thing for Kass right now would be for him to be sent to the minors. That would be a wake up call; no more gifting him an NHL spot. Kass needs ++++ ice time in a lesser league to work on his game and build his confidence.

[Benchsplinters]

Kassian is under achieving and that is fact. He is a lost soul because he was not given proper opportunity to learn to play in the AHL. That is his only factual excuse. A big one at that. He needs to be sent down until he can play at a level he needs to be at in the NHL. Hoping for anything more for him in the NHL at this juncture in his career is utterly ludicrous.

What benefit can be gained by him or the team by allowing him to furiously continue to tread water where he is. They must allow him a better opportunity to swim or sink. He deserves that.

With respect to your remarks about Hodgson, you indicate that you cannot find a single instance where a teams leading scorer achieved less than 60 points. I find it difficult to understand where you are going with that. Do you mean a full season?

As you recall last year was a short season due to the lockout, he was traded the year before to Buffalo half way through the season. This year we are only a third into the season and you suggest the silly 60 point remark.

Of course he hasn't scored 60 points since he has been with Buffalo he has not played a full season with them yet. For Gods sake man, Crosby, Ovechkin, or Stamkos haven't even hit the 60 point mark yet this season, how do you suggest Hodgson is inept at attaining that goal. Think about how ridiculous your remark and reasoning comes across to others.

Your post makes no sense. You cherry picked the stats and spun them without any real context. First off, nobody plays 'sheltered' minutes on a fourth line. They are probably the hardest , most unrewarding minutes a player can get.

There is no player who gets first line minutes and plays the 1/2 wall on the first unit power play who wont get at least 60 points.

Sestito would get 50 plus points if you gave him 20 min a game under those juicy conditions.

As stated earlier in the thread, you Hodgson apologists will only ever cherry pick his 'points' and ignore the rest because he is useless in every other way.

Problem with your theory is that he is doing crap with those minutes. I cant find a single time in NHL history since expansion that your teams leading scorer got less than 60 points. Even if it exists somewhere , surely we can all agree that Hodgson is on pace to challenge the record for ineptitude.

Those are also the facts.

Kassian is under achieving and that is fact. He is a lost soul because he was not given proper opportunity to learn to play in the AHL. That is his only factual excuse. A big one at that. He needs to be sent down until he can play at a level he needs to be at in the NHL. Hoping for anything more for him in the NHL at this juncture in his career is utterly ludicrous.

What benefit can be gained by him or the team by allowing him to furiously continue to tread water where he is. They must allow him a better opportunity to swim or sink. He deserves that.

With respect to your remarks about Hodgson, I see nothing factual or possible in them.

You indicate that you cannot find a single instance where a teams leading scorer achieved less than 60 points. I find it difficult to understand where you are going with that. Do you mean a full season?

As you recall last year was a short season due to the lockout, he was traded the year before to Buffalo half way through the season. This year we are only a third into the season and you suggest the silly 60 point rule in regards to a team's leading scorer. Good try on that one friend!

Of course he hasn't scored 60 points since he has been with Buffalo he has not played a full season with them yet. For Gods sake man, Crosby, Ovechkin, or Stamkos haven't even hit the 60 point mark yet this season, how do you suggest Hodgson is inept at attaining that goal. Think about how ridiculous your remark and reasoning comes across to others.

[stawns]

That wouldn't be so bad. The best thing for Kass right now would be for him to be sent to the minors. That would be a wake up call; no more gifting him an NHL spot. Kass needs ++++ ice time in a lesser league to work on his game and build his confidence.

If they would give kassian some PP time and play him with better players he would be fine in the NHL. Despite playing 5-7 mins a night with plugs, he still has 5 goals. Imagine if he actually got to play on the PP?

Right now Kassian looks completely demoralized. Other players, who are doing no more than Kass, are being given better minutes with better players while he is punished for making mistakes that everyone else on the team is making. Does he float out there a bit too much? Sure he does, but you can see he has no confidence and is completely over thinking every move makes out there. And can you blame him? Everytime he makes a mistake he doesn't see the ice again, yet when other players do the same thing, there's no punishment.

Truly, MG is the most to blame, as we have seen this over and over again with every prospect that comes down the pike. that said, its JT making the in game and roster decisions and that pretty much blows the myth about him being a guy who is patient with young players out of the water

[Quoted]

So 16 pages later it can be summed up as:

1. He's still young and power forwards take longer. Patience.

2. He's a bone head and lazy.

3. Needs time on the first line.

4. He's not Hodgson. Waaaaaahhhhhh!!

Likely a combination of 1 and 2?

[ForsbergTheGreat]

Exactly.

The Kassian puck bunnies can't point to any significant stat to say this guy is a good player. He has the fourth worst iFenwick and iCorsi rating on the team for forwards, third worst iFenwick and iCorsi per 60.

For a big guy who finished checks, he has only managed 32 hits to date.

He isn't doing anything that any other plug couldn't do.

Those are the existing FACTS ladies. But I guess when you can't present facts to back up your hyperbole, it's best to make up and fantasize about what could be, right?

This hit stat is extremely inaccurate

In the last ten minutes of the second i was keeping track of the hitting going on. Kassians shift around the 7 min in the 2nd he first hit landeskog on the boards then finished his check behind the net on Guenin. The his last shift in the second he at 1:04 he finished his check on Stastny. Yet still is only accredited with ONE hit in that game. It's been the same thing the last few games.

Don't believe me go back and rewatch the shifts I have pointed out. If those hits aren't credited as a hit, than I don't know what you'd need to do to get credited.

Just goes to show you, that you can trust every stat you see.