P.Joneson Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Any deal with Pittsburgh that doesn't include Olli Määttä is not even worth considering. I'd rather have Scott Laughton & Philadelphia's earlier 1st round draft pick then whatever crap Pittsburgh has been offering us. Pittsburgh giving us draft pinks is just protocol for a player of Kesler's value they have no merit as they will be the 2nd last or last pick in their respective rounds. Philadelphia would have to give up one of Brayden Schenn, Sean Couturier or Wayne Simmonds so they can take on Ryan Kesler's contract along with one of their top prospects (Scott Laughton, Samuel Morin or Robert Hagg) and their 1st round draft pick. That's a whole lot better then what Pittsburgh is offering even if you take the worst players from the Flyers deal. (Simmonds + Morin + 1st Round Draft Pick) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoolander Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Here's what I posted in the other thread. I think it's fair value from Pittsburgh, if that's who the frontrunner is. To PITT- Kesler To VAN- Sutter, Maatta, 1st+2nd No more, no less. Only thing changed from the suspected offer is Maatta instead of Dumoulin. This gives us a bluechip stud on the blue line + 2 prospects (let's not forget where Kesler was drafted) and a solid, young 3rd line centre who can form a 1-2 punch in the bottom 6 or we can FLIP Sutter in a package with Edler to acquire another bluechipper and 1st rounder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Here's what I posted in the other thread. I think it's fair value from Pittsburgh, if that's who the frontrunner is. To PITT- Kesler To VAN- Sutter, Maatta, 1st+2nd No more, no less. Only thing changed from the suspected offer is Maatta instead of Dumoulin. This gives us a bluechip stud on the blue line + 2 prospects (let's not forget where Kesler was drafted) and a solid, young 3rd line centre who can form a 1-2 punch in the bottom 6 or we can FLIP Sutter in a package with Edler to acquire another bluechipper and 1st rounder Yeah, fairly accurate I think, although if Maatta is involved, the 2nd pick in your proposal is probably a 4th or maybe even nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorLinden4ever Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 The Penguins trade offer of Brandon SUtter and other throw ins stink. If they have to trade Kesler, which is a bad move, then swing one with Philly and land Wayne SImmonds on some package. What we need are players that can contributed offensively right now, not later on. Simmonds is on pace for 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Here's what I posted in the other thread. I think it's fair value from Pittsburgh, if that's who the frontrunner is. To PITT- Kesler To VAN- Sutter, Maatta, 1st+2nd No more, no less. Only thing changed from the suspected offer is Maatta instead of Dumoulin. This gives us a bluechip stud on the blue line + 2 prospects (let's not forget where Kesler was drafted) and a solid, young 3rd line centre who can form a 1-2 punch in the bottom 6 or we can FLIP Sutter in a package with Edler to acquire another bluechipper and 1st rounder I think Mg would have to throw in a decent prospect on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 The Pens board wants the Canucks to throw in Higgins or Edler with Kesler for Sutter, Dupres, and two picks, at least that's one of the proposals. They're delusional. If it were Chicago and it were Teravinen and Saad and the next two years of 1st rounders, I would add Higgins. Or maybe another prospect added on their side and make the 2015th 1st added if they win the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmer Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I would do Sutter and Pouliot for Kesler if we could get Simmonds and Schenn for Edler. Sedin's - Simmonds Higgins - Schenn - Burrows Booth - Sutter - Kassian Sestito - Richardson - Hansen Next year have 2 or 3 of the following players in the line up full time -Gaunce -Horvat -Jensen -Shinkaruk I'd also consider trading Hansen, need to free up a roster spot. No way Philly gives us Simmonds and Shenn for Edler we won't even get one unless we add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmer Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 If Gillis trades his best tradable asset for Sutter + a late first round pick in a weak draft + a 5th or 6th dman (he already has plenty) not only should he be fired, he should be shipped out of the province. I agree 110% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmer Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Canucks might be underpaying but how about this trade Pouliout Bennett Sutter and Harrington for Kesler,Hansen and Shroeder Then Edler and a 2nd to NYI for Okposo Next year our lineup Sedins Kassian Bennet Horvat. Okposo Burrows. Sutter. Higgins Sesito. Gaunce. Richardson Hamhuis Bieksa Pouliout Tanev Garrison Harrington Stanton Corrado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I dont see Philly trading Simmonds... I would love a package of Couturier and Morin for Kesler they can keep their picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pouria Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Here's what I posted in the other thread. I think it's fair value from Pittsburgh, if that's who the frontrunner is. To PITT- Kesler To VAN- Sutter, Maatta, 1st+2nd No more, no less. Only thing changed from the suspected offer is Maatta instead of Dumoulin. This gives us a bluechip stud on the blue line + 2 prospects (let's not forget where Kesler was drafted) and a solid, young 3rd line centre who can form a 1-2 punch in the bottom 6 or we can FLIP Sutter in a package with Edler to acquire another bluechipper and 1st rounder We don't need any more 3rd line centers. We already have Horvat, Gaunce, Shroeder, Santorelli and Richardson as possible 3rd line centers. What we need is a young center that can potentially become a #1 center. Is B. Sutter gonna ever be more than a 3rd line center? Nope. Am talking about centers like Bjugstad, Hubeardeu, Teuvo Teravainen...etc. If Gillis is trading Kesler, he better damn sure get top value for him that can be our future franchise player or his ass will be fired. There is no excuse why Kesler with 2 years left on his contract at a great low salary of 5 mil/yr not be able to bring a surefire future NHL star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pouria Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Canucks might be underpaying but how about this trade Pouliout Bennett Sutter and Harrington for Kesler,Hansen and Shroeder Then Edler and a 2nd to NYI for Okposo Next year our lineup Sedins Kassian Bennet Horvat. Okposo Burrows. Sutter. Higgins Sesito. Gaunce. Richardson Hamhuis Bieksa Pouliout Tanev Garrison Harrington Stanton Corrado Its not that bad but I'd rather try and get a top prospect that is a notch or two higher than those players. Am talking about Hubeardeu, Bjugstad, Teravainen etc. I especially love to get a 6'6 215 lbs Bjugstad who is an American player and a future NHL star in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawkdrummer Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Penguins 1st pick is as a good as an early 2nd round pick... no thanks. Not near enough so keep unhappy Kesler to be buds with unhappy Lu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pouria Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Cody wanted out. period. Kassian can be a dominant PF in the league. Grabner was waived by Florida and unclaimed by how many teams. I think he knew the islanders were his last kick at the can. And the reason that we traded Grabner was? to keep Raymond? And where is Raymond now? Idiotic decision to even trade Grabner, 1st round pick and Bernier for the almighty Ballard who didn't do anything while he was here. All of those bad trades are starting to accumulate into the results we are seeing today. Now what would this team look like if we still had Ehrhoff, Salo, Grabner, Torres etc. We wouldn't have traded for Booth, we wouldn't have gotten Garrison and we would score more than 1 goal a game. Our team should've been in the same place as the Boston Bruins after 2011 but look how these two teams look after only a couple of years. One will win the division and might make the final again while the other will probably miss the playoffs. They made poor decision in deciding who to keep and who to let go and who to get. We had a bright future and would've still been competitive if we had Grabner, Hodgson, Torres, Schneider, Ehrhoff and Salo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pouria Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Penguins 1st pick is as a good as an early 2nd round pick... no thanks. Not near enough so keep unhappy Kesler to be buds with unhappy Lu. Kesler for Bjugstad. An American center for another young American center. This seems fair. Bjugstad already has 14 goals for anyone who is interested to know about his season so far this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I really think Kesler wants to be the top line C in pits he's #3,, he would prefer Philly I would think. Playing with wingers hartnell giroux voracek etc Havin lecav behind him I think he fits in the Philly system quite well, and he is a player they like are find of and could want to get more knowing pits is bidding. Couturier as the centre piece I could really see this happening. The pits trade doesn't look to me like a far trade for us is even a possibility Shero is trying to get Kesler for free.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Interesting perspective from Pitts side http://www.pensburgh.com/2014/3/2/5463502/kesler-vs-sutter-is-it-really-worth-it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Interesting perspective from Pitts side http://www.pensburgh.com/2014/3/2/5463502/kesler-vs-sutter-is-it-really-worth-it Wouldn't call that interesting. I would call that another attempt to knock down Kesler's value. "Kesler is worse than Staal offensively and defensively." Nope! Second best penalty killer in the league and his "cushy" time with good line mates and tons of powerplay time. Couldn't be more wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Interesting perspective from Pitts side http://www.pensburgh.com/2014/3/2/5463502/kesler-vs-sutter-is-it-really-worth-it Wouldn't call that interesting. I would call that another attempt to knock down Kesler's value. "Kesler is worse than Staal offensively and defensively." Nope! Second best penalty killer in the league and his "cushy" time with good line mates and tons of powerplay time. Couldn't be more wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Interesting perspective from Pitts side http://www.pensburgh.com/2014/3/2/5463502/kesler-vs-sutter-is-it-really-worth-it Wouldn't call that interesting. I would call that another attempt to knock down Kesler's value. "Kesler is worse than Staal offensively and defensively." Nope! Second best penalty killer in the league and his "cushy" time with good line mates and tons of powerplay time. Couldn't be more wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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