Noseforthenet Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Interesting perspective from Pitts side http://www.pensburgh.com/2014/3/2/5463502/kesler-vs-sutter-is-it-really-worth-it Wouldn't call that interesting. I would call that another attempt to knock down Kesler's value. "Kesler is worse than Staal offensively and defensively." Nope! Second best penalty killer in the league and his "cushy" time with good line mates and tons of powerplay time. Couldn't be more wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Wouldn't call that interesting. I would call that another attempt to knock down Kesler's value. "Kesler is worse than Staal offensively and defensively." Nope! Second best penalty killer in the league and his "cushy" time with good line mates and tons of powerplay time. Couldn't be more wrong. If the Penguins don't want to pay the right price for Kesler that's fine, there are 29 other teams that he can be traded to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl:topheads Penguins interested in Canucks' Kesler: report Saturday, 03.01.2014 / 10:17 PM By NHL.com Staff - / 2014 Trade Deadline blog The Pittsburgh Penguins are aggressively pursuing Vancouver Canucks center Ryan Kesler, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported Saturday night. Rob Rossi, citing multiple sources, reported that a proposed trade would send Kesler to the Penguins in exchange for center Brandon Sutter, two 2014 draft picks (likely a first-round and third-round), and the Canucks' choice of defensemen Simon Despres or Brian Dumoulin. Rossi said general manager Ray Shero has been pursuing Kesler since January and would like to make a deal before the NHL Trade Deadline at 3 p.m. Wednesday, though the Penguins would try again during the offseason. Kesler is a solid two-way center who can win faceoffs consistently and has scored as many as 41 goals in a season. He's 29 years old and has two more years remaining on his contract, with a $5 million salary-cap charge. Kesler leads the Canucks this season with 21 goals. Shero has a history of making moves before the deadline; he's done so in six of seven previous seasons. In 2013, he acquired forwards Jarome Iginla, Brenden Morrow and Jussi Jokinen and defenseman Douglas Murray; Jokinen is the only one still with the team. --- This offer is absolute garbage, 30 or higher level draft picks and a center with a career high 17 goals. Kesler demands 2 top blue chip prospects. This is why we need to deal him at the draft, we are just going to get offered this kind of stuff. If MG took this I would never watch a Canucks game ever again, not even lying. That's the equivalent of one of our Ballard,Raymond and a first trades. I doubt Gillis would accept that offer and if that was the actual offer, the fact that Kesler is still a Canuck means Gillis told Shero to get back to him when he was serious about a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Hoping MG doesn't do the opposite of the Schneider trade and go too early for less value. We really need to pick up something we don't already have in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaSwede Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Philly makes the most sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuongovsTuuka Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Kesler and Higgins are the only forwards who have looked dangerous during the team's recent slide. If Kesler is traded for Sutter (who can't score), a poor first round pick and an average blueline prospect, I will be ready to join the "Fire MG!" crowd. If that's the best deal being offered, then hold onto him until the draft. The team needs a major shake up, but just handing off Kesler for a bad return is not the right move to make. I still don't understand why the Pens would want him either since it drops him to the third line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Kesler is almost 30, he has 2 years before he breaks down because of the way he plays..other GM's know this. Contending teams are not going to give up a top 6 center for him or elite scoring forward. It's all about the prospects that come back and if they are NHL ready soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck or Die Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Kesler is almost 30, he has 2 years before he breaks down because of the way he plays..other GM's know this. Contending teams are not going to give up a top 6 center for him or elite scoring forward. It's all about the prospects that come back and if they are NHL ready soon. Umm, Kesler is worth a hell of a lot more than you care to admit. Even analysts agree. If they don't want to pay, then we keep Kesler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Kesler is almost 30, he has 2 years before he breaks down because of the way he plays..other GM's know this. Contending teams are not going to give up a top 6 center for him or elite scoring forward. It's all about the prospects that come back and if they are NHL ready soon. I'm thinking along these lines as well. A contending team looking to add Kes is probably not going to move a top 6. I'm OK with this as long as the prospects and picks coming back are bumped up a notch. We're going into retool/rebuild mode anyway so there's no reason for Gillis to blow an opportunity at getting some high end talent coming back just because he needs a 25 year old second line centre. Besides, I'd rather have the kids coming up plus any new prospects we get in the trade to all be within a few years of age so that they can grow together as a core, much like our old core did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Deal him at the draft, he will get more as most contenders are at the cap limit and are not going to screw up the chemisty in their top 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Kesler is better than Staal and Staal got Sutter, Pouliot and Dumoulin. Anything less is unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiangunner Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Kesler is better than Staal and Staal got Sutter, Pouliot and Dumoulin. Anything less is unacceptable. 100% Agreed. He's also better then mike Richards and jeff carter, check out the returns those 2 guys got and then Shero can start talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiangunner Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Kesler for Bjugstad. An American center for another young American center. This seems fair. Bjugstad already has 14 goals for anyone who is interested to know about his season so far this year. Plse don't ever post a trade proposal again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 And the reason that we traded Grabner was? to keep Raymond? And where is Raymond now? Idiotic decision to even trade Grabner, 1st round pick and Bernier for the almighty Ballard who didn't do anything while he was here. All of those bad trades are starting to accumulate into the results we are seeing today. Now what would this team look like if we still had Ehrhoff, Salo, Grabner, Torres etc. We wouldn't have traded for Booth, we wouldn't have gotten Garrison and we would score more than 1 goal a game. Our team should've been in the same place as the Boston Bruins after 2011 but look how these two teams look after only a couple of years. One will win the division and might make the final again while the other will probably miss the playoffs. They made poor decision in deciding who to keep and who to let go and who to get. We had a bright future and would've still been competitive if we had Grabner, Hodgson, Torres, Schneider, Ehrhoff and Salo. Would we really been more competitive this year with all those players in the line-up? Would we really been younger with a brighter future? Grabner (3 cap hit) (Age 25) has 11 goals this year, Kassian has just as many plus he provides a physical presence Hodgson (4.25 cap hit) (Age 25) plays 1st line and only has 15 goals, 2 more then what we call a slumping Daniel Sedin. Torres (2 cap hit) (Age 31) Has only played 13 games in the last 2 years due to injuries and suspension. Would have provided us nothing in the last 2 years Ehrhoff (4 cap hit for the next 7 years) (Age 30) only has 6 goals Salo (3.75 cap hit) (Age 38) has provided the lightning with a big 2 goals You know what that equals? A total of a 17 million cap hit and a total of 36 goals with an average age of 29.4 If those players were still on the team we would not have the following players for either cap reason, no trades, or roster limits Santo (.55 cap hit) (Age 27) has provided the canucks with 10 goals this year Kassian (.87 cap hit) (Age 22) has provided the canucks with 11 goals this year Garrison (4.6 cap hit) (Age 28) has provided the canucks with 7 goals this year Stanton (.55 cap hit) (Age 23) has provided the canucks with 1 goals this year Richardson (1.15 cap hit) (Age 28) has provided the canucks with 8 goal this year You know what that equals? A total of a 7.72 million cap hit and a total of 37 goals with an average age of 25.8 Now with Schneider he was a tough loss (in my opinion a top 5 goalie in the NHL), but with the emergence of Lack and the added bonus of Horvat our future is even brighter than having just Schneider alone. So although what you said sounds good but when you dig into the reality, the canucks would not have been more competitive as 6 players you’ve mentioned have provided 1 less goal and $9 million more in cap hit. Nor would we be a younger team with a brighter future unless you think Hodgson was going to be the corner stone of this team for years to come. Edited: I mixed stanton and richardsons goals up, fixed now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 And the reason that we traded Grabner was? to keep Raymond? And where is Raymond now? Idiotic decision to even trade Grabner, 1st round pick and Bernier for the almighty Ballard who didn't do anything while he was here. All of those bad trades are starting to accumulate into the results we are seeing today. Now what would this team look like if we still had Ehrhoff, Salo, Grabner, Torres etc. We wouldn't have traded for Booth, we wouldn't have gotten Garrison and we would score more than 1 goal a game. Our team should've been in the same place as the Boston Bruins after 2011 but look how these two teams look after only a couple of years. One will win the division and might make the final again while the other will probably miss the playoffs. They made poor decision in deciding who to keep and who to let go and who to get. We had a bright future and would've still been competitive if we had Grabner, Hodgson, Torres, Schneider, Ehrhoff and Salo. couldn't agree more .. anyone who is defending gillis is not seeing things very clearly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Would we really been more competitive this year with all those players in the line-up? Would we really been younger with a brighter future? Grabner (3 cap hit) (Age 25) has 11 goals this year, Kassian has just as many plus he provides a physical presence Hodgson (4.25 cap hit) (Age 25) plays 1st line and only has 15 goals, 2 more then what we call a slumping Daniel Sedin. Torres (2 cap hit) (Age 31) Has only played 13 games in the last 2 years due to injuries and suspension. Would have provided us nothing in the last 2 years Ehrhoff (4 cap hit for the next 7 years) (Age 30) only has 6 goals Salo (3.75 cap hit) (Age 38) has provided the lightning with a big 2 goals You know what that equals? A total of a 17 million cap hit and a total of 36 goals with an average age of 29.4 If those players were still on the team we would not have the following players for either cap reason or roster limits Santo (.55 cap hit) (Age 27) has provided the canucks with 10 goals this year Kassian (.87 cap hit) (Age 22) has provided the canucks with 11 goals this year Garrison (4.6 cap hit) (Age 28) has provided the canucks with 7 goals this year Stanton (.55 cap hit) (Age 23) has provided the canucks with 8 goals this year Richardson (1.15 cap hit) (Age 28) has provided the canucks with 1 goal this year You know what that equals? A total of a 7.72 million cap hit and a total of 37 goals with an average age of 25.8 Now with Schneider he was a tough loss (in my opinion a top 5 goalie in the NHL), but with the emergence of Lack and the added bonus of Horvat our future is even brighter than having just Schneider alone. So although what you said sounds good but when you did into the reality, the canucks would not have been more competitive as 6 players you’ve mentioned have provided 1 less goal and $9 million more in cap hit. Nor would we be a younger team with a brighter future unless you think Hodgson was going to be the corner stone of this team for years to come. That was a damn good post, dude.. Really puts in perspective that while gillis may not have hit home runs, he still made the right decisions. The time for his home run is now, if he nails this retool I won't ever question the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Kesler for Bjugstad. An American center for another young American center. This seems fair. Bjugstad already has 14 goals for anyone who is interested to know about his season so far this year. Kesler wouldn't waive his NTC to go to a team that is no where a cup contender. Luongo however would love to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Kesler wouldn't waive his NTC to go to a team that is now where a cup contender. Luongo how ever would love to. How warped would it be if we somehow had Tim Thomas playing for us?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 How warped would it be if we somehow had Tim Thomas playing for us?! not as warped as the canucks treating lu so bad they think he may waive to play on any team they want to send him to .. haha at this point anywhere is better then here .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 How warped would it be if we somehow had Tim Thomas playing for us?! ha... Luongo & Schreoder for Bjugstad and Thomas Then next year meet Florida in the finals, if only.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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