Canuck Surfer Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 wow... it looks like MIke Gillis should have taken the 1st round and second round pick and Luke Schenn offer. how bad he looks right now. Didn't Lou nix whatever the possible trade to TO was? At the end of the day, Lou used his negotiating trump to first get his $64 milloion dollar contract (or whatever it was). AND piss, moan and frustrate everyone until he could parlay his NTC into a trade to his preferred destination (ala Kesler). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 A buyout would have been a far better option than wasting salary cap for the next decade in exchange for a 4th liner. The only stupider move any GM has made in the last 2 years was Gillis giving away our best goalie for magic beans. Pfft... There is also the matter of having someone paying $20 plus million in salary over that period for free. You volunteering to contribute? I'll not criticize an owner over refusing to write off money in that scale when there is an out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Just BRUTAL. As far as cap goes, we're still paying for a top 5 goalie with nothing to show for it. CLAP CLAP CLAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Just BRUTAL. As far as cap goes, we're still paying for a top 5 goalie with nothing to show for it. CLAP CLAP CLAP. Miller's cap hit is #7 this year among goaltenders and we haven't even seen him play yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 That would be cool but it's not as definitely the "if A then B" logic you're using. I think your understanding of player value is deeply flawed. Players you HAVE to get rid of are basically worth nothing. And Markstrom is basically less than worthless because of his stumbles in the NHL thus far AND he has to go for 2 reasons: 1) Carrying 3 goalies is pointless 2) He takes up a roster spot which could go to a rookie. Perhaps a rookie who has proven his place on the roster. Perhaps a rookie who, if we send him down, we can't get him back until next year. So a nice way of saying that; is that Markstrom is actually worth something. (He is.) Just not when everyone knows leverage is working against you instead of holding it in the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Miller's cap hit is #7 this year among goaltenders and we haven't even seen him play yet.Point?Mine was Luongo is still on payroll. The amount (roughly of a back-up tender)Not trying to be rude, just wondering if you could clarify what you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownky Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I wonder if it's a potential play on the waiver system; get him claimed by another GM who Benning has a good relationship with, then that GM turns around and waives him either then or sometime later. Then if we re-claim him, he can be assigned to the minors without needing to be re-waived. Lou in NJ did that last year IIRC. It's dirty and risky, but it might be what they want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I wonder if it's a potential play on the waiver system; get him claimed by another GM who Benning has a good relationship with, then that GM turns around and waives him either then or sometime later. Then if we re-claim him, he can be assigned to the minors without needing to be re-waived. Lou in NJ did that last year IIRC. It's dirty and risky, but it might be what they want to do.If Benning could pull that off after 3 months on the job, it's a testament to the respect he has in the hockey world. Gillis was quite clearly shunned by his trading partners. NJ and FLA.Funny this was.... some of us thought he had the upper hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Who cares about the trade. That is the OLD regime. Why not complain about some of Burke's trades while your at it. Irrelevancy 101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 wow... it looks like MIke Gillis should have taken the 1st round and second round pick and Luke Schenn offer. how bad he looks right now. As has been said, rumours. And while we're talking about rumours, that wasn't even an offer made to us but rather something similar was offered to Toronto. And then there's the rumour that Luongo blocked at least one deal early on after advice from his agent that he could still get a deal to Florida (which of course we know now isn't true since they didn't have the financial backing to accept Luongo in trade). ... Or if I'm dreaming, gives us more space to trade for and sign say...Johansen *swoon* I was worried about FLA picking him back up but then I remembered they had Montoya. Who else do we think is in the running besides NJ and NYI? The Islanders signed Chad Johnson mid-summer to a two year, $1.3M deal. I think they're set for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Who cares about the trade. That is the OLD regime. Why not complain about some of Burke's trades while your at it. Irrelevancy 101 Because the same negative nellies will be calling this horrible asset management by Benning if Markstrom turns into a starter 3 years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Those people will find something to complain about regardless what Benning does or who Markstrom turns out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kass Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 we've gone from Stanley cup favorites to 6th last in 4 seasons. Sorry to say but I think we've reserved the right as a fan base to be a little upset at the possbility of losing yet another asset. No team has lost more than we have in the last 5 years. No matter how you look at it. So yes. Ill bitch If I feel the need to. Devils went from losing in the finals to 8th in 1 season and then down to 5th in the next. They also decided to keep their 29th pick and lose their 8th. Edmonton had 3 1st in a row and still suck So it could be a lot worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Vokoun, Khabibulin, Brodeur, Thomas.... Those guys are definitely NHL ready. That's who teams should be looking at right now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 So if markstrom doesn't clear we traded Luongo and Steven Anthony for Shawn Matthias... So now it's just Luongo for Shawn Matthias...awesome... The real asset we gained in the deal is getting the cap space, getting rid of the contract and moving someone who didn't want to be here, Matthias & Markstrom were really just what we got for retaining some salary which was needed from Florida's POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Hopefully he goes unclaimed, apparently he was great in Stockton and I'm still optimistic that he could become something because we got Rollie working with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshiyoshi Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 has he cleared waivers yet? if not what time does it end nevermind i see that he was put on waivers last night so it wont end until tomorrow then not today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastmode33 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I was hoping he would get some time in net tonight as im 7th row behind the goal. Way to ruin my night benning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownky Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 If Benning could pull that off after 3 months on the job, it's a testament to the respect he has in the hockey world. Gillis was quite clearly shunned by his trading partners. NJ and FLA. Funny this was.... some of us thought he had the upper hand. The difference between the sides of the table might be a distance as wide as my hockey skill level vs Mike Bossy's. I suppose it all depends how Gillis conducted himself as an agent. I suppose it must not have been very kindly; more Kurt Overhardt than not judging by how many times he couldn't get things done. Benning's been in the 'hockey brain' seat for a long time. Worked his way through the traditional way; in an old boys club that the NHL is, that might be beneficial just in itself. Give "the new old guy" a boost, or a favour in the future. Say when they want to do the same thing in a season or two. I can only hope our GM has that kind of presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Point? Mine was Luongo is still on payroll. The amount (roughly of a back-up tender) Not trying to be rude, just wondering if you could clarify what you mean? Only 15% of Luongo's cap shows up - which is $800,000 - that's not a top 5 goaltender's payroll. We're paying for a backup with nothing to show for it, as you clarified here, but not a top 5 goaltender like you originally posted. I thought you meant by "we're still paying for a top 5 goalie" that we're paying Ryan Miller top 5 goalie money - since he's actually the only one on our payroll that gets paid around there - and by "nothing to show for it" that Miller is not worth what he's getting paid. Just BRUTAL. As far as cap goes, we're still paying for a top 5 goalie with nothing to show for it. CLAP CLAP CLAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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