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No Big Bang? New physics model shows universe might have existed forever

key2thecup

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How about we talk about the actual subject?

Here's what I'm wondering: how can we test this competing theory? I kinda skimmed the article a few times but that part seemed to be lacking. Sure, it's nice having a great mathematical model that explains different phenomena (in fact, it's absolutely mind-blowing that mathematical models can lead us to places that we had no idea even existed) but it has to be testable. This is the big issue with String Theory - it explains a lot of this also but isn't (under the technology we currently have) testable.

Super-symmetry also explains many, if not all, of the phenomena described by the endless universe theory. It would be interesting to see a comparison of the two theories in terms of explanitory prowess and predictive ability.

One thing is for sure, though - when the LHC comes back on line later this year with the ability to collide particles at double the energy as before we should look forward to advances in our understanding of the universe.

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Shevirat ha-Kelim (Breaking of the Vessels)

According to Luria, the ten vessels that were originally meant to contain the emanation of God's light were unable to contain that light and were hence either displaced or shattered. As a result of this cosmic catastrophe, the Sefirot, the archetypal values through which the cosmos was created, are shattered and out of place, and the world within which we reside, is composed of the shards of the these broken values. It is significant that for the Kabbalists, only 6 of the 10 Sefirot (from Chesed to Yesod) were fully shattered (Malchut, the final vessel was broken partially). Had all of the vessels, including, Keter, Chochmah, and Binah, been shattered, the universe would have been thrown back into the state of complete and utter chaos, the toho and bohu prior to creation. As it is, the three highest Sefirot, which represent Will, Wisdom, and Understanding, remained intact; only the six Sefirot representing the spiritual, moral, aesthetic and material values were broken, and are, hence, in need of restoration or repair (Tikkun). Nevertheless, the Breaking of the Vessels is a truly cataclysmic event. Will, Wisdom and Understanding remain, but all other values, particularly those embodied in the cultural and symbolic order of mankind, have been shattered. Further, while certain forms (may) remain, their embodiment in matter, is chaotic and confused. The Breaking of the Vessels is, according to the Lurianic Kabbalah, a clearing of the decks, a fresh start, and a challenge to the structures that we equate with our own civilized life. It is, in short, an eruption of chaos into the heart of our spiritual, conceptual, moral and psychological structures.

There is also a decided erotic aspect to the Breaking of the Vessels. The vessels, as described by Luria's most important disciple, Chayyim Vital, are envisioned as being located in the womb of the feminine Partzuf, the Cosmic Mother, an expression of the age-old symbol of the feminine as "vessel", "receptacle" and "container". Further, the shattering of these vessels brings about a state of affairs in which the masculine and feminine aspects of the cosmos, which had hitherto been in a "face to face" sexual conjunction, turn their backs upon one another and become completely disjoined. The "chaos" brought about by the Shevirah ("breakage") leads to an erotic alienation, a condition that can only be remedied through a rejoining of opposites through a renewed coniunctio of the sexes. At the same time, like the water that breaks signaling the birth of a new human life, the Breaking of the Vessels also heralds a new birth, that of a new personal and world order to be completed by man in the process of Tikkun.

Some believe that the vessels represent "dimensions". The shattering of the vessels correspond to the big bang. The vessels left represent the "dimensions which we can percieve. Clearly the vessels existed before the shattering.

Sometimes mythology is just history stated in a specific way.

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Back to Lurianic Kabbalah

Shevirat ha-Kelim (Breaking of the Vessels)

According to Luria, the ten vessels that were originally meant to contain the emanation of God's light were unable to contain that light and were hence either displaced or shattered. As a result of this cosmic catastrophe, the Sefirot, the archetypal values through which the cosmos was created, are shattered and out of place, and the world within which we reside, is composed of the shards of the these broken values. It is significant that for the Kabbalists, only 6 of the 10 Sefirot (from Chesed to Yesod) were fully shattered (Malchut, the final vessel was broken partially). Had all of the vessels, including, Keter, Chochmah, and Binah, been shattered, the universe would have been thrown back into the state of complete and utter chaos, the toho and bohu prior to creation. As it is, the three highest Sefirot, which represent Will, Wisdom, and Understanding, remained intact; only the six Sefirot representing the spiritual, moral, aesthetic and material values were broken, and are, hence, in need of restoration or repair (Tikkun). Nevertheless, the Breaking of the Vessels is a truly cataclysmic event. Will, Wisdom and Understanding remain, but all other values, particularly those embodied in the cultural and symbolic order of mankind, have been shattered. Further, while certain forms (may) remain, their embodiment in matter, is chaotic and confused. The Breaking of the Vessels is, according to the Lurianic Kabbalah, a clearing of the decks, a fresh start, and a challenge to the structures that we equate with our own civilized life. It is, in short, an eruption of chaos into the heart of our spiritual, conceptual, moral and psychological structures.

There is also a decided erotic aspect to the Breaking of the Vessels. The vessels, as described by Luria's most important disciple, Chayyim Vital, are envisioned as being located in the womb of the feminine Partzuf, the Cosmic Mother, an expression of the age-old symbol of the feminine as "vessel", "receptacle" and "container". Further, the shattering of these vessels brings about a state of affairs in which the masculine and feminine aspects of the cosmos, which had hitherto been in a "face to face" sexual conjunction, turn their backs upon one another and become completely disjoined. The "chaos" brought about by the Shevirah ("breakage") leads to an erotic alienation, a condition that can only be remedied through a rejoining of opposites through a renewed coniunctio of the sexes. At the same time, like the water that breaks signaling the birth of a new human life, the Breaking of the Vessels also heralds a new birth, that of a new personal and world order to be completed by man in the process of Tikkun.

Some believe that the vessels represent "dimensions". The shattering of the vessels correspond to the big bang. The vessels left represent the "dimensions which we can percieve. Clearly the vessels existed before the shattering.

Sometimes mythology is just history stated in a specific way.

I've never read this before, but it does have elements of super-symmetry to it. To give a very brief synopsis, SS says that immediately after the big bang the universe was perfectly symmetrical. Then, the symmetry broke which led to the universe and life as we know it.

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If you so chose, try not to confuse belief with fact. I think you are not wise to limit yourself to one set of teachings.

I know what you're saying, but this one book, the Bible... every time you read it, the Holy Spirit shows something new each time. I think I'm okay with just the Bible.

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I'm gonna agree with Brick on this one. Dinosaurs happened, man.

Yup, up until 65 million years ago. That's the part about young-Earth Creationists that baffles me. The fossil record, carbon dating, and sedimentary/geological record are all very well established.

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Yup, up until 65 million years ago. That's the part about young-Earth Creationists that baffles me. The fossil record, carbon dating, and sedimentary/geological record are all very well established.

You obviously don't understand the difference between historical science and observational science :lol:

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Yup, up until 65 million years ago. That's the part about young-Earth Creationists that baffles me. The fossil record, carbon dating, and sedimentary/geological record are all very well established.

Well, if you want to say that the book of Job was written 65 million years ago, okay...

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