Positive Canuck Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 minute ago, numb3r 16 said: Yeah because we all know that you are the perfect Canucks GM I wonder why they still haven't hired you this market is full of "experts" like this calling the radio everyday that know more than Benning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Agree with this 100%. The culture change Benning talked about ad nauseum is still well underway. Chronically declining, morally broken, and cancerous personalities are only partially excised at the point, mostly thanks to bloated contracts and NTC's up the wazoo. This team will not truly start a rebuild until most or all of Gillis' NTC's and most of his draftees are long gone down memory lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numb3r 16 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, Positive Canuck said: this market is full of "experts" like this calling the radio everyday that know more than Benning. I hope that's sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Canuck Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, numb3r 16 said: I hope that's sarcasm u have to ask that ? of course it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I think what fans (including myself) and management should learn from these last five years is if we have an asset that is NOT in our future plans, has good/excellent value, and can be replaced; trade it while it's worth something. Buy low, sell high. This should be our focus. If we have an asset that IS in our future plans, treat it with respect and commit to it long-term. Don't sign a franchise player for his career and cop out three years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavrohorvat53 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I think we would all agree that Hamhuis could give us many different returns that could roughly be worth the same. Majority of people expected one blue chip prospect and a draft pick in the 2nd round or 3rd. Anything extra was a bonus. We got exactly that. We should've pulled a trigger. We could have tried to get a different return of about equal worth, like a 1st rounder (20-30) and a guaranteed second rounder (45+ range). Both packages are Roughly worth the same. Or maybe just ask for Honka and do a one for one trade. Sadly i I don't think management saw it this way. They had their mind set on what they wanted and failed to notice the size of the market shrinking. This is why people are pissed we didn't get anything. We weren't able to maximize our situation, and that should be considered a failure. It happens to the best of us. We get so zoned in on one thing and completely look past obvious signs of pending disasters such as was the case this trade deadline. I think we need to get Laurence Gilman back. He was a creative genius when it came to finding contract loopholes situations, and we could maybe use a figure like that to work in tandem with JIM. With all that said I still believe in this management. Their intentions are good and they have a good outlook on what it takes to build a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Positive Canuck said: I'm in the minority but i'm not hating on Jim at all. You're not in the minority, it's just the reactionaries that are yelling so loudly it seems like it. Once people take a step back and analyze the situation, it's fine. This thing won't turn around overnight. JB and TL know what they're doing and they have a vision. A vision and plan that they're sticking to and not changing with the fickle blowing of impatient fan winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numb3r 16 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 minute ago, Positive Canuck said: u have to ask that ? of course it is. I never asked, I just hoped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Canuck Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 minute ago, numb3r 16 said: I never asked, I just hoped hahah solid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Canuck Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 10 minutes ago, Tavrohorvat53 said: I think we would all agree that Hamhuis could give us many different returns that could roughly be worth the same. Majority of people expected one blue chip prospect and a draft pick in the 2nd round or 3rd. Anything extra was a bonus. We got exactly that. We should've pulled a trigger. We could have tried to get a different return of about equal worth, like a 1st rounder (20-30) and a guaranteed second rounder (45+ range). Both packages are Roughly worth the same. Or maybe just ask for Honka and do a one for one trade. Sadly i I don't think management saw it this way. They had their mind set on what they wanted and failed to notice the size of the market shrinking. This is why people are pissed we didn't get anything. We weren't able to maximize our situation, and that should be considered a failure. It happens to the best of us. We get so zoned in on one thing and completely look past obvious signs of pending disasters such as was the case this trade deadline. I think we need to get Laurence Gilman back. He was a creative genius when it came to finding contract loopholes situations, and we could maybe use a figure like that to work in tandem with JIM. With all that said I still believe in this management. Their intentions are good and they have a good outlook on what it takes to build a team. in what planet does a 35 yr old declining broken face Hamhuis with 2 months left on his contract , that doesn't showcase for the 2 months leading up to the deadline, gives only 2-3 teams and claims his desire to remain in Vancouver get a first rounder ? What the "majority of people expect" and reality of the market are 2 much very different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Imagine this conversation JB - hello to NHL manager - would you like to trade us ( canucks ) for our player Vrbata. Great skills.... Other GM - Jim are you on crack ? Vrbata is the worst defensive forward in the entire NHL. Plus he can't even generate goals or assists. His plus minus is 533rd out of 533 NHL players in the league... LOL LMAO LOL JB - well i am looking for a 7th round pick or a bag of pucks. Other GM - I would want Vrbata in a trade if you throw in Canucks 1st round pick this year......... JB - ahhhh , no thanks. I guess Canuck fans are stuck with 20 more games with Vrbata before he signs in the KHL over the summer. That is probably how trade negotiations went for Vrbata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 30 minutes ago, Positive Canuck said: this market is full of "experts" like this calling the radio everyday that know more than Benning. Is this Tanbir..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOgRook Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 54 minutes ago, Rocksterh8 said: Your poll is one sided and makes NO sense. This thread needs to be closed. I was thinking that about most of your posts don't take it out on the op that your threads get deleted.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-PatLostInEdm Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Ok, try this on and see what you guys think. I don't believe the owner meddled at all. It's obvious the team is not making the post season. Faced with that, how does one recoup the lost income from no playoffs? You get salary off your books, that's how. Which means move your bait for anything that doesn't cost you money right now, IE... prospects or picks , no matter how useless they are. Sure, Aqua and Gags don't get along, but 3 million dollars is 3 million dollars (I figure that's about how much salary not paying Hamhuis and Vrbata for the rest of the season would save). So Aqua should have been on the same page as a lot of posters here. But that didn't happen. I think Nill and Benning were playing chicken after Nill took the Calgary deal. Chicken only ends two ways. One loser, or two losers. They left it too long and ran out of road. That's my theory, anyway. Pure smoke, though. Absolutely based on nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caknuckle Puck Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 hour ago, desiboynux4lifee******* said: As a fan im super paranoid of Benning at the draft. i won't be surprised he ends up trading away our 1st or one of Gillis prospects for another project player. And im even more afraid he ends up trading away our 1st plus McCann for Drouin. Benning scares me, ever since he made that Shinkurak trade, no telling what he will do. Shinkaruk isn't even all that man... chill out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks1527 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I have confidence in Bennings draft capability. But that's it. This deadline showed me that he doesn't have what it takes to make trades, or the owners won't give him full reign. The deadline has made the Canucks management the laughing stock of the NHL, as per Ray Ferraro. He has hurt our chances to land big name free agents this off season and may have severely handicapped this rebuild. I hope I'm wrong, and we get another good draft pick this year, but I have lost confidence that benning will be the one to bring this team to the cup final. Seems to be a step behind at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLU3GR33NBL00D Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I'm trusting this process. We really gotta make a solid FA signing though this summer; Stamkos and Lucic would be a dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks1527 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 minute ago, BLU3GR33NBL00D said: I'm trusting this process. We really gotta make a solid FA signing though this summer; Stamkos and Lucic would be a dream. You think stamkos will sign here after the deadline fail by benning? He ruined any chance we have at landing stamkos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 minute ago, X-PatLostInEdm said: Ok, try this on and see what you guys think. I don't believe the owner meddled at all. It's obvious the team is not making the post season. Faced with that, how does one recoup the lost income from no playoffs? You get salary off your books, that's how. Which means move your bait for anything that doesn't cost you money right now, IE... prospects or picks , no matter how useless they are. Sure, Aqua and Gags don't get along, but 3 million dollars is 3 million dollars (I figure that's about how much salary not paying Hamhuis and Vrbata for the rest of the season would save). So Aqua should have been on the same page as a lot of posters here. But that didn't happen. I think Nill and Benning were playing chicken after Nill took the Calgary deal. Chicken only ends two ways. One loser, or two losers. They left it too long and ran out of road. That's my theory, anyway. Pure smoke, though. Absolutely based on nothing. Iain MacIntyre ✔@imacVanSun Brace yourself Vancouver: it is possible neither Hamhuis nor Vrbata gets traded. 3:27 PM - 28 Feb 2016 4141 Retweets 2424 likes Imac tweeted this the day before the deadline..(he's usually in the know)...I think the management knew beforehand,that they were really going to be up against it ,regarding Hamhuis (and Vrbata).....Most of the trades were already made by the buyers in the previous week,and Benning probably didn't get any calls on any of the other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Nazzy91 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Higgins for Stamkos lol get it done Benning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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