ItsMillerTime Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 59 minutes ago, brian42 said: I'd rather do Virtanen for Drouin and draft Thachuk in that scenario. To be honest Virtanen isn't worth Drouin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian42 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Meaning it's not worth it to trade virtanen or Tampa bay says no? Tampa could consider it due to the bad relationship with Drouin which hopefully is still bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiAquaman Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 doubt Drouin staying in TB. Coach the issue and Drouin producing like crazy getting top 6 mins due to injuries making the Coach/steve y look more and more like they did mismanage him at NHL level. Sort of confirms Drouin camps reasons for wanting out(not that I agree with how he handled it). That said..... they will continue asking sky high to save face for when he leaves and would put any package we put together as waaaay too much. #5/6 straight up for a player who wants out..yes but tampa wants to bend any suitors over without lube so ... not happening before draft and only team that could afford to overpay is EDM anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I'd 100% trade the 6th overall for Drouin, in a heartbeat. i've always been very high on Drouin though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 12 hours ago, brian42 said: I'd rather do Virtanen for Drouin and draft Thachuk in that scenario. We'd likely have to add a lot to Virt to get Drouin. Virts value isnt that high rn tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrecken Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 2 hours ago, BI3KSA- said: I'd 100% trade the 6th overall for Drouin, in a heartbeat. i've always been very high on Drouin though. Same here. A 6th pick for a 3rd that can obviously play, with a bright future. Yah, there has been some drama, but I think it would be worth the small amount of risk. Horvat, Bart and Drouin... yes please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I think the 6th overall for Drouin is a pretty even trade. There is high potential reward and some risk with both. Drouin: You get a player with a high ceiling but is so far unproven as the NHL level. Yes, he is having a reasonable playoff, but so far he hasn't exactly blown anyone away with his ability to put up points. I believe what transpired with him asking for a trade before paying his dues with Tampa puts into question his loyalty and ability to put up with less-than-perfect team situations. He's also not a particularly big player and I can see injuries and fatigue in his future in playoff runs. However, Drouin is already NHL ready and slots into a lineup immediately. 6th: You get a player which might require another year in the system before they are ready for the NHL. The player selected will have obvious skill, but is also a question mark as to how well it translates to the NHL game. The ceiling of the 6th overall might end up higher than Drouin, but is more likely to be lower. By being open to select whoever is remaining at 6th, you can select to your team's needs as opposed to being stuck with a left winger (which we need anyway), and also can factor in size and durability as you see fit in your selection. If I was GM, I'd do this trade if Tampa was interested. But oddly, the deciding factor to me is a business decision; I can see fans buying tickets just to come out and watch this kid. Helps keep fans from being disinterested for a second (third?) season in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 tb has said they want a player with as much skill as drouin....that would have to be horvat and our 1st.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 1 hour ago, smithers joe said: tb has said they want a player with as much skill as drouin....that would have to be horvat and our 1st.. Not a chance. Horvat is our future 2nd line center. Not only is that overpayment, but Yzerman isn't exactly in a position to get top value for Drouin - which is why he was so pissed when the request for a trade was made public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 58 minutes ago, kloubek said: Not a chance. Horvat is our future 2nd line center. Not only is that overpayment, but Yzerman isn't exactly in a position to get top value for Drouin - which is why he was so pissed when the request for a trade was made public. i agree, but we wouldn't get him for the players cdc proposes trading for him..plus, he really seems to be a spoiled kid..do we really want that on our team and in the dressing room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 On 4/27/2016 at 7:58 PM, Aircool said: I mean it was MacKinnon, Barkov, Drouin, Jones, Lindholm, Monahan. Those were the top 6 picks. And which one does not belong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 On April 27, 2016 at 2:01 AM, falcon45ca said: Canucks absolutely have to make this trade, it's 100% inarguable. If Benning doesn't make this trade, somebody should prank call his office asking for James LEMMING, as he leads this team off a cliff. Here, AT A BARE MINIMUM, is what the Canucks need to offer to land this key franchise player: Canucks !st Round picks from 2016-2050 Bo Horvat Jim Benning Hank & Dank Burr The popcorn machine from the lobby of an old-timey cinema circa 1957 Jim Benning Mike Gillis Finn & a 1 year of supply for the team's soda machine. It's ridiculous that millionaires need to pay $1 for their soda pop. I hear yzerman and billy bean both like to keep their soda money "on the field" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 5 hours ago, smithers joe said: tb has said they want a player with as much skill as drouin....that would have to be horvat and our 1st.. TB already offered Drouin for Horvat, why would we have to add a top 6 pick all of a sudden? smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 1 hour ago, oldnews said: And which one does not belong? Drouin scored 32 pts his rookie season playing on a 4th line and after a rocky season and struggling to make TBs squad this year he has come in and scored 5 pts in 6 playoff games for TB. Hes really not doing anywhere near as bad as some people act like he is. I cant wait for Drouin to become a star so I can laugh at all the people on this forum saying they wouldnt trade Sven for him lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 4 hours ago, kloubek said: Not a chance. Horvat is our future 2nd line center. Not only is that overpayment, but Yzerman isn't exactly in a position to get top value for Drouin - which is why he was so pissed when the request for a trade was made public. Druoin is still horrific at the D concepts of the game. He looks like he's going to be another PP (Roy) specialist. That's not bad, but it's not worth top value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 2 hours ago, oldnews said: And which one does not belong? Elias Lindholm out of that group so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 22 minutes ago, BI3KSA- said: Drouin scored 32 pts his rookie season playing on a 4th line and after a rocky season and struggling to make TBs squad this year he has come in and scored 5 pts in 6 playoff games for TB. Hes really not doing anywhere near as bad as some people act like he is. I cant wait for Drouin to become a star so I can laugh at all the people on this forum saying they wouldnt trade Sven for him lmao Those other top 6 picks have all doubled, tripled, quadrupled Drouin's production thus far. You're not getting a Seth Jones or Sean Monahan for Drouin - his value has simply not sustained that of a 3rd overall. So you have yourself a good laugh, but are you going to laugh at yourself if he fails to measure up to anyone in that list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pctlai@gmail.com Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Quote Quote Character.Another Hodgson??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 22 hours ago, ItsMillerTime said: To be honest Virtanen isn't worth Drouin. Says the guy that wants to give up a top 6 pick for a 21 yr old 3rd overall who has yet to earn an NHL spot. The Baertschi analogy is appropriate here imo - a 13th overall who was dealt for a 2nd round pick. Drouin is in a similar situation - he's worth a mid to late 1st at this point. Tampa will be fortunate if he becomes anything approaching his draft pedigree - realisitically he's worth a similar + years faller like Yakupov, or a later round pick - a prospect like Kerby Rychel who was also rumoured to be potentially moved (19th overall in Drouin's draft class, who I'd be hesitant to move for Drouin personally). There are a lot of players taken after Drouin in that draft that are better assets than he is: Jones, Monahan, Ristolainen, Horvat, Nichushkin, Domi, Pulock, Wennberg - and a handful of others you can make the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 22 minutes ago, oldnews said: Those other top 6 picks have all doubled, tripled, quadrupled Drouin's production thus far. You're not getting a Seth Jones or Sean Monahan for Drouin - his value has simply not sustained that of a 3rd overall. So you have yourself a good laugh, but are you going to laugh at yourself if he fails to measure up to anyone in that list? When did I say those other picks havent produced more than Drouin or that you could trade him for Jones or Monahan? I'm saying many people are ruling him out like his career has peaked already or are acting like he is a bust already. His potential, pedigree and ceiling still have value. His value is still likely higher than a 6th in this draft let alone the silly stuff people say they wouldnt trade him for, like Sven, for example. I believe Drouin is blooming late, and it doesnt help that almost all his peers you mentioned have all had a heck of a lot more opportunity at top 6 or even top line roles on their teams, compared to Drouins mostly 4th line duties. That being said I still believe Drouin will be in the same neighborhood as those aforementioned players sooner rather than later. Quote me on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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