Anton Rodin | RW/LW

[Verloren]

What I'm wondering is whether or not putting the stopper pads on his chest are part of the development training? Typically athletes are taught to touch the bar to the chest and fully lock out the arms for a real "full rep", which is really considered as proper form so I was curious to see that.

Always easier to lift more when the bar doesn't go all the way down so this might be the dev plan but they are the experts and I'm a gym rat so I'd love to hear their theory!

All the development camp photos I've seen involving the bench press have the stopper pads involved. I think it's because they want to target the triceps more without the wrist strain that comes from close grip bench press.

[TOMapleLaughs]

Um...Chris Tanev?

AV will play rookies that are capable of stepping in and making an impact.

Yeah but he's SUPPOSED to just give kids spots with awesome linemates and watch them boom or bust before fizzling out and vanishing.

[Canvoucer Vanuck]

Wasn't he in Vancouver or Winnipeg last year after his SEL season ended? To check out the city? I would hope he attends the camp starting July 5th, so he can bond with some of the guys he'll be playing alongside in Chicago.

However if the Wolves struggle to score like the Moose did last year, don't expect too much out of him. His style of play does seem to be a good fit for the smaller rinks in NA though, so we'll see.

All that aside, with everyone excited about his abilities, are there any weaknesses in his game we should keep in mind? So far he seems like a very complete player... does he need to add strength or improve his defensive play?

[bluesy_shoes]

Wasn't he in Vancouver or Winnipeg last year after his SEL season ended? To check out the city? I would hope he attends the camp starting July 5th, so he can bond with some of the guys he'll be playing alongside in Chicago.

However if the Wolves struggle to score like the Moose did last year, don't expect too much out of him. His style of play does seem to be a good fit for the smaller rinks in NA though, so we'll see.

All that aside, with everyone excited about his abilities, are there any weaknesses in his game we should keep in mind? So far he seems like a very complete player... does he need to add strength or improve his defensive play?

It's pretty difficult to translate SEL to NHL. Anything before camp is going to be mostly speculation; even then, camp isn't the best indicator. From my understanding, he has to get better in all areas to be in the NHL, but he's one of our few prospects who has good offensive potential AND who can also make the team earlier on as a checker. That's what most people are excited about, especially since Hodgson, Schroeder, and now Jensen are more "second line or bust." From the very limited chance I've seen him play (mostly world Jr.'s and highlights, which isn't very great) I'd say he's got a well-rounded skill set that is hard to contain, and because of that, he creates some chances by using his strong skating and strong puck possession to play aggressive and to take the puck to the harder areas for his teammates. He can get a quick shot off, and he can pass fairly well. Really, it seems like he's just got to develop the skills he has and bring them to an NHL level. I don't think there's any "glaring" deficiencies.

Where's johanlake anyways?

[avelanch]

I think Jensen's size gives him the opportunity to enter the same way Kesler did, as a 3rd line checker.

Rodin is only slightly bigger than Hodgson, but I guess he could enter via the same route as Jensen/Kesler.

I think Cody replaces Raymond for the start of the season, so if Rodin impresses in camp, he might take Cody's 3rd line spot (when he most likely would start the season, on Malhotra's flank) until Raymond comes back/we see what happens with Raymond.

I just hope Raymond's one key aspect that he has built his entire game around (his speed) comes back. because it will be a long time for him to not only recover, but adjust his entire game, if it doesn't.

Edited July 5, 2011 by avelanch

[Guest Dasein]

I think Jensen's size gives him the opportunity to enter the same way Kesler did, as a 3rd line checker.

Rodin is only slightly bigger than Hodgson, but I guess he could enter via the same route as Jensen/Kesler.

I think Cody replaces Raymond for the start of the season, so if Rodin impresses in camp, he might take Cody's 3rd line spot (when he most likely would start the season, on Malhotra's flank) until Raymond comes back/we see what happens with Raymond.

I just hope Raymond's one key aspect that he has built his entire game around (his speed) comes back. because it will be a long time for him to not only recover, but adjust his entire game, if it doesn't.

Apparently Raymond's type of fractured back is one where the nerves are not effected at all. He'll be fine as long as the bone heals completely, but his nerves are fine. It will just take a long time because they'll be precautionary since it can get very bad if he comes back too early and suffers a setback.

I'm pretty sure his speed won't be effected. Crazy injury though.

Yeah but he's SUPPOSED to just give kids spots with awesome linemates and watch them boom or bust before fizzling out and vanishing.

Not sure if you're serious or not...

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.

[Psycho_Path]

Apparently Raymond's type of fractured back is one where the nerves are not effected at all. He'll be fine as long as the bone heals completely, but his nerves are fine. It will just take a long time because they'll be precautionary since it can get very bad if he comes back too early and suffers a setback.

I'm pretty sure his speed won't be effected. Crazy injury though.

Not sure if you're serious or not...

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.

Pretty sure he's being sarcastic based on expectations of people on these forums. That being said, it's not like Tanev really got a chance until there were like 4-6 injuries of our other defensemen. AV really isn't the type of coach to play our rookies much if he has the opportunity to play more experienced players. Maybe it has something to do with conditioning, I don't know, but he's shown he's not particularly keen to give rookies a super amount of ice time.

[avelanch]

Apparently Raymond's type of fractured back is one where the nerves are not effected at all. He'll be fine as long as the bone heals completely, but his nerves are fine. It will just take a long time because they'll be precautionary since it can get very bad if he comes back too early and suffers a setback.

I'm pretty sure his speed won't be effected. Crazy injury though.

yeah, but the months of muscles atrophying is what concerns me the most. Speed is kinda a "use it or loose it" thing, i'm pretty sure the rehab exercises won't be working out his quick twitch muscles.

[Guest Dasein]

Pretty sure he's being sarcastic based on expectations of people on these forums. That being said, it's not like Tanev really got a chance until there were like 4-6 injuries of our other defensemen. AV really isn't the type of coach to play our rookies much if he has the opportunity to play more experienced players. Maybe it has something to do with conditioning, I don't know, but he's shown he's not particularly keen to give rookies a super amount of ice time.

I'm willing to bet my life savings on "You didn't know JACK about Tanev before he got called up." OF COURSE AV is not going to call up an undrafted rookie until there's 4-6 injuries. Are you crazy, calling up an unknown rookie when everybody's healthy to see what he's capable of? Yeah, tell Sami Salo he's going to sit because we want to see some rookie play. Obviously Tanev would have NEVER seen a chance unless we had 4-6 injuries. Can't believe you're faulting AV for this.

And I don't think there's a SINGLE coach in this league that would play the rookies if he has the opportunity to play more experienced players...Even Tyler Seguin wasn't slotted in until injuries made it a necessity for Julien to play him. No coach is keen on giving rookies super amount of ice time unless proven.

yeah, but the months of muscles atrophying is what concerns me the most. Speed is kinda a "use it or loose it" thing, i'm pretty sure the rehab exercises won't be working out his quick twitch muscles.

I think that's why they're saying November or later. His bone will probably heal at least before September or early September, but that means Raymond misses his entire summer training. Thus, Raymond will be returning sometime in November or later, so that he gets his training in and the muscles, etc.

[Millerdraft]

Raymond would need an unheard of training binge in order to return pre-December, imo. He wouldn't be allowed to do any sort of exercising for 4-6 weeks, and even then it would be really light exercising, followed by another 4-6 weeks before beginning rigorous training. Basically 3 months, which means mid-September, before he can start his usual summer training regimen. Personally, I think he's out until Christmas and if he has any setbacks, with things like bulging discs, he could be out for the season.

Sedin Sedin Burrows

Sturm Kesler Samuelsson

Higgins Malhotra Hansen

_____ Lapierre Oreskovich

I'm not sure I'm seeing a spot for Rodin here, this year at least, guys and he hasn't even played an 80-game season on NA ice as of yet. Malhotra might not start the season though. He still has another eye procedure to do and if he's out, voila, temporary roster spot for Cody. If that's the case, here's what I would do:

Sedin Sedin Burrows

Sturm Kesler Hansen

Higgins Hodgson Samuelsson

That gives Cody two of our smarter, veteran forwards to play with (Hansen is still learning & Sturm is a North-South player) that also play at a similar pace so Cody should have no problems keeping up. This also allows Kesler to play with linemates than can keep up with him and Kesler has also publicly stated how he finds Hansen easy to play with and how it's easy to read off of him.

[Barney Stinson]

I think the 12-13 season will really open the door for our prospects, with Samuelsson and Raymond's contracts out

Rodin-Kesler-Hodgson

[one night]

Pretty sure he's being sarcastic based on expectations of people on these forums. That being said, it's not like Tanev really got a chance until there were like 4-6 injuries of our other defensemen. AV really isn't the type of coach to play our rookies much if he has the opportunity to play more experienced players. Maybe it has something to do with conditioning, I don't know, but he's shown he's not particularly keen to give rookies a super amount of ice time.

AV has always struck me that he is more concerned about keeping his job than teach younger players. That is why he plays the more experienced older player as they are more of a sure thing.

[Guest Dasein]

Bryan Murray (GM of OTT) said after the Senator's development camp that Jakob Silfverberg is NHL-ready and should make the jump over to North America. However, Silfverberg is set on returning to SEL for another season to develop his game.

I'm mentioning this because Silfverberg is Rodin's teammate on Brynas IF of SEL, and both are 20 years old and were drafted in 2009 - Silfverberg (39th) and Rodin (53rd). Silfverberg put up good numbers (18G16A34P in 53 games) on the 1st line. Rodin put up 7G19A26P in 53 games, and he's coming over to North America unlike Silfverberg.

Hope Rodin becomes a better player than Silfverberg.

[bluesy_shoes]

I think Jensen's size gives him the opportunity to enter the same way Kesler did, as a 3rd line checker.

Rodin is only slightly bigger than Hodgson, but I guess he could enter via the same route as Jensen/Kesler.

I think Cody replaces Raymond for the start of the season, so if Rodin impresses in camp, he might take Cody's 3rd line spot (when he most likely would start the season, on Malhotra's flank) until Raymond comes back/we see what happens with Raymond.

I just hope Raymond's one key aspect that he has built his entire game around (his speed) comes back. because it will be a long time for him to not only recover, but adjust his entire game, if it doesn't.

Isn't Jensen supposedly a softy? I read that he uses his size to his advantage offensively, but his size isn't much of a factor on defense. I suppose that can be learned in a couple years time, though. I see Jensen on the third line like a Bernier on the 3rd line, whereas Rodin could be more like a Hansen. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately, who knows what tickles your fancy) Hodgson would be a Wellwood.

[DeNiro]

Bryan Murray (GM of OTT) said after the Senator's development camp that Jakob Silfverberg is NHL-ready and should make the jump over to North America. However, Silfverberg is set on returning to SEL for another season to develop his game.

I'm mentioning this because Silfverberg is Rodin's teammate on Brynas IF of SEL, and both are 20 years old and were drafted in 2009 - Silfverberg (39th) and Rodin (53rd). Silfverberg put up good numbers (18G16A34P in 53 games) on the 1st line. Rodin put up 7G19A26P in 53 games, and he's coming over to North America unlike Silfverberg.

Hope Rodin becomes a better player than Silfverberg.

Rodin got less minutes than Silfverberg too, so it's good to see that his point totals aren't that far off.

The thing about Silfverberg is that he's already got NHL size. Rodin on the other hand needs to bulk up (10-15 pounds) before he's ready to play in the NHL. We'll see what kind of shape he comes into training camp with though.

I also think Ottawa is in a transition phase, so they are more able to start putting younger players into their lineup.

Edited July 6, 2011 by DeNiro

[Joel Heyman]

Isn't Jensen supposedly a softy? I read that he uses his size to his advantage offensively, but his size isn't much of a factor on defense. I suppose that can be learned in a couple years time, though. I see Jensen on the third line like a Bernier on the 3rd line, whereas Rodin could be more like a Hansen. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately, who knows what tickles your fancy) Hodgson would be a Wellwood.

No, someone posting in the original Jensen draft pick thread lives in Oshawa and said that he is quite a bit more physical then the Scouting Agent said.

[bluesy_shoes]

No, someone posting in the original Jensen draft pick thread lives in Oshawa and said that he is quite a bit more physical then the Scouting Agent said.

Oh thats good to hear, thanks!

[Psycho_Path]

I'm willing to bet my life savings on "You didn't know JACK about Tanev before he got called up." OF COURSE AV is not going to call up an undrafted rookie until there's 4-6 injuries. Are you crazy, calling up an unknown rookie when everybody's healthy to see what he's capable of? Yeah, tell Sami Salo he's going to sit because we want to see some rookie play. Obviously Tanev would have NEVER seen a chance unless we had 4-6 injuries. Can't believe you're faulting AV for this.

And I don't think there's a SINGLE coach in this league that would play the rookies if he has the opportunity to play more experienced players...Even Tyler Seguin wasn't slotted in until injuries made it a necessity for Julien to play him. No coach is keen on giving rookies super amount of ice time unless proven.

I think that's why they're saying November or later. His bone will probably heal at least before September or early September, but that means Raymond misses his entire summer training. Thus, Raymond will be returning sometime in November or later, so that he gets his training in and the muscles, etc.

I don't disagree with you on the fact that AV shouldn't have played Tanev until we had some injuries, but my comment was in response to your post on the previous page (guess I should have quoted it as well):

Um...Chris Tanev?

AV will play rookies that are capable of stepping in and making an impact.

As far as not knowing jack about tanev, for the type of player he is and whatnot I didn't, but I did know of him, that the Canucks signed him as a good defenseman out of college (from these boards).

[Guest Dasein]

I don't disagree with you on the fact that AV shouldn't have played Tanev until we had some injuries, but my comment was in response to your post on the previous page (guess I should have quoted it as well):

As far as not knowing jack about tanev, for the type of player he is and whatnot I didn't, but I did know of him, that the Canucks signed him as a good defenseman out of college (from these boards).

Key words there are "capable of stepping in" as in "called up when injuries occur"

This is what you said about it:

Pretty sure he's being sarcastic based on expectations of people on these forums. That being said, it's not like Tanev really got a chance until there were like 4-6 injuries of our other defensemen. AV really isn't the type of coach to play our rookies much if he has the opportunity to play more experienced players. Maybe it has something to do with conditioning, I don't know, but he's shown he's not particularly keen to give rookies a super amount of ice time.

You said it as if you felt that Tanev should have gotten a chance even if we didn't have 4-6 injuries and that we should have sat veterans to play him...And then went on to say how AV doesn't give rookies a lot of ice time even if they haven't done anything to deserve it and move our experienced players out of the lineup.

That's why I went on about how no NHL coach would ever sit veterans so that they can give rookies a chance.

Edited July 7, 2011 by Dasein

[Squeak]

So Rodin has been suffering from chronic shoulder problems:

source: http://communities.canada.com/theprovince/blogs/whitetowel/archive/2011/07/07/canucks-top-prospect-slowed-by-ongoing-shoulder-problems.aspx

Make a list of Canucks prospects who pay wing and it won't be a long one. At the top, especially with Sergei Shirokov bolting for Russia, is Anton Rodin. The next step for the promising Swede was to transition him from the Swedish Elite League to the AHL, where he was expected to play for Chicago, the Canucks new affiliate.

But not so fast. Nagging, chronic shoulder tendinitis was so bad in parts of last season Rodin couldn't shoot. Dave Gagner, the Canucks director of player development, said it could impact his chances of playing in the AHL.

"With his shoulders, he gets a little bit sore and it affects his shot and passing and things like that," Gagner said. "We just have to see how this summer progresses for him. The plan is for him to be over here and play in our American League team this year."

Rodin has seen several specialists and it's believed the tendinitis will go away, although there is no timetable. The problem, they've concluded, is that the growth plates in his shoulder haven't closed. The growth plate is made up of cartilage which is more vulnerable to injury than mature bones. There is a growth plate at the part of the humerus closest to the shoulder.

It's limited Rodin in some areas, including some aspects of conditioning.

"It does slow it down a little bit for him because he played last year and there were periods of time where he couldn't shoot the puck," Gagner said.

"He said to me 'I just have to learn to deal with it and it will go away in time.'"

Rodin is in Vancouver right now and taking part in the team's development camp..

At 20, he's one of the Canucks most-gifted offensive prospects and had a good year playing 53 games with Brynas, despite the shoulder issues. He scored seven goals and collected 19 assists.

Seriously - can we please just catch a break with one of these prospects?